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Cheers,
Adam

That is great.  I once heard the marketing VP, at the time HD turned around in the early eighties, talk about how they recognized that what they were selling was the lifestyle.  So it does not surprise me to see it in an manual.

Excerpts transcribed for the benefit of RAT900 editing...

"Stop half way though the ride at the busiest convenience store or any location with a lot of walk-in and out traffic to get water. Let the customer be seen with the bike. Someone is likely to walk by and say 'Nice bike.' sealing the customers emotional attachment to the bike"

"Create routes that give the rider more opportunities to be seen. A huge part of the experience is the attention a rider receives on a genuine Harley Davidson"

They messed it up. Isn't that a Ducati booklet? My bad. If it was Ducati it would say that they needed to sell them the Ducati branded wine.  [wine]

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

And the fashion shows, and WDW, and the bike washes, and the track side experience, and ...

Cheers,
Adam

It reminds me of a Triumph test ride I took when the trailer was in town.

All the bike manufacturers are trying to sell the "lifestyle" since they found that it sells better than bikes.

+1

It's far, far better to sell a lifestyle / movement / passion / soul / etc. than just a product.

Cheers,
Adam

From the makers of the Desmosedici and the 1198R comes the newest generation Snuggie.

Check out this hilarity.

When I bought my bike after YEARS of searching and test riding everything on the market I was of course satisfied because I had what I wanted. A friend I have known for nearly 20 years and three of the people I work with said "if I wanted a twin cylinder I should have bought a HD." They told me the bike was ugly and sounded crappy.

All I said was (paraphrased) "when I was looking for a bike I wanted something that was light, fast and could carve turns, Not a big, slow, heavy, and cumbersome couch on wheels with loud exhaust."

From my experiences just about every HD rider I have met was arrogant and thought they were the SHIT because they were riding a HD. I am usually a very accepting person but when you go out of your way to tell me my bike is crap and your couch that can't turn is better, that crosses the line.

It's strange because guys on victory's and any jap bike are always interested in my bike and asking questions, as am I about theirs, but NOT the harley guys. They are too tough.

I will take one if it comes in Italian Racing Red with carbon fiber upgraded parts.  Oh, and it has to have a huge Ducati Corse logo.

As far as HD, I would consider owning a VRod.  That's about the only one that I *really* like.  Most VRod owners are more sport bike crowd types it seems from those I have encountered ~

JM

It'll make you click through all the channels faster.

Then it would have said to stop at any Starbuck's in SoCal to get a latte.  Most likely there will be others on Ducatis there to compliment you on your bike...   [laugh]





 [bacon]

"Harley Davidsons are BAD.   I have a Harley Davidson.   That makes me BAD!"

Of course, there is no attitude about Ducatis among the owners now, is there?

Have you actually read this thread?  [laugh]

Why does a bikes turning ability matter?

I love it!  Specially since we all ride Italian Harleys!

Plenty, a lot of Nerd, Geek owners here.  :-*

don't forget to include us dorks, dweebs, and weirdos!


(I put myself in with the dorks and goofballs)


;)




[bacon]

I want to get a decal printed up in the same Ducati font and size, to replace the decal on the fuel tank, but have it say "DOUCHE" instead...

hahahahahaha!  [laugh] ;D

???  Do you really, for real?   For your own tank, or to sell to others?

Douchecati?

:)

Adam

Some guy around here did something similar to his FooFoo White S4Rs, but it says 'Ducingfucati'

I love "Point out locations along the route designed to highlight particular features of the bike so they can focus on the performance of the bike." 

(http://www.freefoto.com/images/21/11/21_11_3---Straight-Road_web.jpg)

And also, "Keep distances short, 8-10 miles"  Truthfully this is probably going to be the case on most test rides, but reinforces the stereotype of not actually riding too much  ;D

Maybe they should just do this and let you drive around in your car getting the attention and "nice bikes"  [laugh]

(http://images.andale.com/f2/111/111/11118218/2007/5/16/HarleyTrailer003.jpg)

Trailering..  Yep, thats it!!   Then You unload a few miles outta town, gear up, apply fake bugs, and ride in like You just made the 600mi trip!!   AHH' Yes, Owning the Lifestyle..... [puke] [puke]

my dealer took me out in some mild twisties for my first Ducati purchase....
for the second he just wrote up the paperwork while it was loaded into my truck.

Harley Wreck on the Tail of the Dragon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5Cttoi7dY#normal)

+1 but for the Nightrod.

Harley ownership is a lifestyle, they say that about over-the-road truck drivers too.  [laugh]

I used to wonder why the large majority of riders typically wave on the road BUT them, maybe it is a steering thing?

Funny how in many parts of the country the Ducati has the reputation of being a poser bike (just like an HD). Here in Nashville, no one seems to give a crap about my bike, the noise it makes, or me for that matter.

The HD crowd thinks I am a squid. The Jap bike crowd thinks I am an old guy with an expensive bike (mine really isn't that expensive).

I am way over the "don't wave back" thing from the Harley crowd. My new motto: First wave, then finger.

seriously?

You're all a bunch of poseurs and I don't wave at pousers. Or is that posers? Either way...

I'm the real poseur....

My '06 VRSCR (the one that handles, feel free to google) remains my favorite overall bike ever.

 :)

I get this.  They wave back when I'm on my M750 (round headlight fools 'em [evil]) they won't wave back when I'm on my 900SS since I'm just another "crotch rocket."

Many people come up talking about how much the bike must have cost.  They don't realize I by cheap, used bikes [laugh]


I've only ridden one, that it was back before there were 50 different variations to choose from.  It handled great, but I was a little uncomfortable since the owner had put forward controls on it and my not-so-tall frame could barely reach the foot controls  [laugh]

JM

A few points I'd like to make before I comment on this subject.  First, I'll not Harley bash; as you can see from my signature, I own and ride one.  Harley makes a bike that does what it was designed to do and it does it fairly competently.  But I must also say, Harley is a VERY good marketing company.  It was their accessories and clothing lines that saved them from going under right before the buy out by Willie G and the other execs.  I'd also like to point out that while I do ride one and have owned others in my life, I don't worship at the alter of Harley like so many do.  I also would like to point out that the most passionate owners seem to be the new rider.  The new rider does seem to fall prey to all the hype that surrounds Harley.

That being said; why wouldn't Harley take advantage of the hype when trying to get someone to buy their product?  And again; this is especially true of the new rider (or even a former owner of another brand that is moving to a Harley), why not use the hype to their advantage?  It's smart business.  What would you expect them to do?

Now one final point I'd like to make.  I witness more and more that the Harley rider has an attitude about his riding skill.  I see it more in the new rider with 3 years or less experience than in a seasoned rider, but they seem to feel that since they are riding the "ultimate" motorcycle, their riding skills must be the ultimate also.  Their attitude seems to get in the way of wanting to learn riding skills.  That is what I find most distressing.

Funny how if we replace "Harley" with "Ducati", it still makes sense.

maybe for some. I ride a ducati. and a triumph. and a kawasaki. And a honda. and another kawasaki. And....a harley.

They are motorcycles. The "lifestyle" is the same for all of them. At least it should be.

I have nothing against Harley.  They are a business and as such use the most effective means possible to make money.  For Harley (and in a large way Ducati as well) this means selling an image.  What I will say is this, I have met and been subbed by riders of all makes and models but Harley riders seem to be the most frequent source of a snub. 

I wave to other riders in 99.9% of situations.  I will not wave if it causes me to be unsafe for any reason but most times I try to.  I cannot remember the last time a Harley rider waved back.  Kids and lidless morons on Jap bikes will always wave back but Harley riders dont.  If one gets behind me for a bit and we happen to stop side-by-side I might get a nod from him (likely in recognition of the sound) but other than that there is zero recognition from them that I am a fellow enthusiast. 

I am left with the feeling that perhaps Harley riders lack the confidence to even remove a couple fingers from the bars for fear they will lose control of the motorcycle.  There are some stuck-up riders in any brand but from what I have seen even us nerdy Ducatisti will talk about our bikes with anyone who asks. Obviously if they are asking the mindnumbingly retarded questions such as: "how fast does it go?", "who makes that?", "those are expensive" then they might get a smartassed reply but most people lately seem to be getting more educated about Ducati or maybe I have just been more fortunate recently. 

(http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/8829554+w750+st0/146_0706_14_z+random_crashes+pointing.jpg)






We all know what happens next.

I don't know how this got from a "test ride" thread to a "he won't wave at me" thread, but I like it   [laugh]

Here is my $0.02, I always wave at a motorcyclist unless I cannot due to my or others safety being compromised.  When I am on either of my bikes, I wave....  I almost always get waves back from all categories of motorcyclists.  Maybe it is just that I wave first???

Here are my rides.


(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4360178675_d7e19d4b28_b.jpg)

Before tail tidy....
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4672333644_34402574cf_b.jpg)

man, don't know where everyone lives but apparently the area is full of assholes.  [laugh]
I always wave and 99% of the time they wave back whether on my Harley or Duc, hell even the Vespa gets waves.  Time for you guys to move to "nicer" parts of the US.  [beer]


Duccarlos
"
Funny how if we replace "Harley" with "Ducati", it still makes sense."

How true.  ;)

I'm in Denver--everybody is happy here! 

I'm in Florida that's full of NY assholes.

move to AZ.  [laugh]

I'm a NY asshole who moved to california. Now I'm the nice guy and everyone else is an asshole...   ;D




[bacon]

Manipulation...it's the root of all evil.

The booklet sounds like intelligent marketing, but I think it grates on peoples nerves to read it and see how salespeople are coached to play on ones vanity.  But hell, it sells bikes.  I wave at everybody on a motorcycle.  Funny thing when you are passing a huge Harley club, as you end up constantly holding out your hand out for a good minute.  Most of the guys wave back.  Live on an island, it's kind of a small community feel amongst most bikers out here.

Must be the thin air...

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Harley.  Blah blah blah blah blah; blah Ducati!!!  Blah blah blah blah blah Ducati blah blah Harley blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah blah blah!!    [moto]

derby.   [laugh]

(http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/8829554+w750+st0/146_0706_14_z+random_crashes+pointing.jpg)

Pardon my ignorance, but what is in his left hand?

JM

All the crap about how great he is becaue he rides a Harley...LOL

it's a finger-less glove that he bought at the official HD store

I thought it was a hand grenade....  looks like one. 

Madonna wore fingerless gloves.   :D

 [laugh] [clap]












He's pointing at the camera.  Showing how awesome he is.










(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/ZooTech/HarleyCrash2.jpg)

Make sure you show the next photo where he saves it on his knee.   ;D

This is what a real man looks like...


...shitting himself.

 [thumbsup]












(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/livewellandfree/Dragontail%20Harley%20Crash/DragonHarleyCrash3.jpg)

I'm sure you can see in the "wave" photo that he is using proper riding technique; see how he is leaning his upper body away from the turn so you are sure to be able to read his Harley tee shirt.  Plus, it looks like he forgot to put new knee sliders on his riding pants so he couldn't lift it back with his knee and save it.

Once he started grinding hard parts it was over for him.  You can see he lifted the front wheel.

Wonder what was going through his mind as he crashed, "...but I thought the Harley salesman told me I would be the most envied, the coolest, the subject of praise and the best rider on the street; especially after I added all the extra chrome!"

I'll bet he even "soiled" his Harley Davidson underwear during that crash. [laugh]

His technique is good, but he's got the wrong it in the wrong order.  You gotta wave after you save it. 

http://www.extremesportclips.com/video/2736/Colin-Edwards-Big-Save.html (http://www.extremesportclips.com/video/2736/Colin-Edwards-Big-Save.html)

And again, we can subsitute Harley for Ducati and it still makes some sense, except for the chrome part. You would need to say carbon fiber instead.

nah

Carbon fibre doesn't produce the nifty spark trail when you drag it.

Plus, trying to recover an 800 lb bike is a lot different than doing the same with a 425lb bike, crash bars notwithstanding.

hard parts grinding = no recovery, no matter what bike you ride.

+11tb

Or as we say at work: same shit, different smell.

I don't remember ever seeing that Edward's save.

That was AWESOME!!!

He's doing the Ronnie James Dio salute.

Back on topic, the booklet is an example of what I hate about most marketing and sales people.  It is a rare treat when a salesman actually knows a bit about what they are trying to sell to you.  Even more rare when they understand their competition. 

And to bring it even closer to home, these were the same techniques they were trying to use on potential Buell customers.  Only difference is the Koolaid they had drank didn't cover that brand, so they didn't know what to do...

To me, a bike dealer should be a rider, and one that has experience with other styles/brands.

same for cars. you should KNOW the competition from experience not a book.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/wow-check-out-that-motorcycle-revving,10729/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/wow-check-out-that-motorcycle-revving,10729/)

I was once told by some douchebag that owned a Beemer GS that if you went into a corner too hot on a BMW, you could lean it over and catch the low-side head on the pavement and it would lift the front wheel off the road until the bike slowed down enough and you could then stand it back up and continue through the turn.

 [roll]

Ducati Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ye1CGgNRaI#normal)

^^ How the freak did that happen?  Did he lock up the rear or the front?

I wouldn't know where to begin...this reads like a recruitment manual for how to exploit a lonely maladjusting homesick college freshman into a religious cult

"I didn't know who I was until I found my personal savior in Harley, he has made me whole"

maybe went for the rear brake on the left like an old Brit bike...realized his mistake and promptly locked up the rear when he remembered it was on the right side of the bike?

This is totally true. He left off the part about crashing to slow down and falling off the bike before continuing through the corner is all.


And if you drag head on a boxer, you're cornering wrong.

 ROFLMFAO!!!

 I NEVER get tired of seeing that video!

 I love the woman's question..... "Why would he do that?" Why? Simple.... because he has NO CLUE HOW TO RIDE A make the beast with two backsING MOTORCYCLE!!!!

 You can just tell he hit the rear brake as hard as he could trying to slow down. Which I find hilarious because the moron instructor at the MSF course my friend Karen took was a Harley rider and he told her, and I quote "90% of your braking should be done with your rear brake."

HUH???  [bang]

90%?  Sure.  If you ride this:
(http://shoutingthomas.typepad.com/photos/motorcycle_pictures/chopper1large.gif)

Or the Gent bike from 'Hell Ride'

Madsen pointed out no front brake was dangerous, and putting one on would cause continuity errors as they'd already begun shooting, so he said he'd sign a waiver if they gave him the bike after production.

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Michael-Madsen-hell-ride.jpg)

I had high expectations for that flick, but it sucked balls....

That it did.  I had to work on the home theater version of it, so I saw it waaaaay too many times.