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So this new weapon ! How do they work ? Does a  [leo] actually have to be there holding it ? Can they get you right in the middle of a tight set of twisties ? Are they  hidden  behind signs ? Feel i've got to know more . With only 1 point left , i'm losing this war !

This is what is already happening in victoria gino. Unmarked car sitting on the side of the road with a camera in the car waiting to take your lovely picture 

I also heard on the news that they will be operated by RTA employees to keep more police doing their "duties".

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/downloads/minister_releases/100329_roadtoll_package.pdf (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/downloads/minister_releases/100329_roadtoll_package.pdf)

Interesting point to note about the one months grace to people who get caught.

this is the biggest lie I've heard from the Labour Govt, although Minister for Frocks n Mardi Gras has resigned anyways, imagine what the Labour Govt would do without revenue from speed & red light camera's?? they'd just have to find another way to rape motorists ....

One , in focus shot of my butt is going to pay for their shiny new camera !

The revenue is a point but dont think that the "Conserves" wouldnt have done exactly the same thing, and would roll back these "Safety Initiatives"!
Face it , itas a cash cow that no government anywhere hasnt milked! [evil]

What shits me is the continued lack of realsim in the initiatives. There appears to be no taking into account that the driving public rises by X numbers every year! So logically more on road, road toll final number likely to increase (Yumm! More money from camera revenue, hehe! [roll] Do I sound cynical?)

There is no strategy to improve road user attitude and behaviour other than throw more money at things that will raise them MORE money and in the final analysis do Phark all to reducing the road toll!  >:(

Dont fine people, if they have done something bad enough like turn in fron of traffic (Bike??) and hurt people, screw 'em in court and dont be so freaking soft with the penalty! Chuck them in the can. If people knew there were extreme penalties for a lot of these idiot acts they might think differently. ???

It works in other countries that have extensive training and testing for obtaining licences and quality road usage is expected! Manners, skill and brain usage are usually the norm, and the penalties are harsh if you dont toe the line. And why not?  [thumbsup]


Pant, puff, I shouldnt get so excited so early in the morning before my third coffee [coffee]

David Campbell would love that shot ... [laugh]

Heh,heh,heh wouldnt this be justice?? [evil] [evil]


Two Hunter traffic patrol officers from Newcastle LAC were involved in an unusual incident while checking for speeding motorists on the F3 Freeway.  One of the officers used a hand-held radar device to check the speed of a vehicle approaching over the crest of a hill, and was surprised when the speed was recorded at over 800Kph.  Their radar suddenly stopped working and the officers were not able to reset it.

Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact latched on to a Williamtown FA-18 fighter jet which was engaged in a low-flying exercise over Wyong, approaching from the ocean.

Back at police headquarters the Local Area Commander fired off a stiff complaint to the RAAF Liaison officer at Williamtown.

Back came the reply in true laconic RAAF style:

'Thank you for your message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident.  You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked onto, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it.  Furthermore, an air-to-ground missile aboard the fully-armed aircraft had also automatically locked onto your equipment.

Fortunately the pilot flying the Hornet recognised the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile systems alert status, and was able to override the automated defence system before the missile was launched and your hostile radar installation was destroyed.

Thank you for your enquiry.

That press release is so full of shit and contradictions I feel inclined to pick it apart piece by piece. The only problem is it made me angry reading it ... trying to apply logic to some of those statements and 'safety initiatives' may just tip me over the edge. >:( >:( >:(












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love it Dragon!

Shame the hostile radar was not destroyed minus the operator of course.
Better still can we send a directive to the RAAF to lock onto and eliminate any mobile radar vehicles parked
on the side of the road keeping motorists safe!


Oh and course they will not spend any of the coming $$$ on a proper secondary track for Sydney.
Seeming as it's virtually impossible for operators and race organizers to book time at Eastern Creek.
We'll just keep booking people for driving/riding 3-10 klm/h over the limit but give them no option of getting off the road
and having a blast on the track.
But that's a whole other story. 

Maybe we could start a rumour that terrorists are planning on using laser and radar technology to cause mayhem and potentially set off bombs etc!  ;)

Aaaaand use the operation of speed detecting radars and lasers as cover for their insidious activities!!  :o

Wouldnt that just chuck a spanner in the money grabbing activities of these dropkicks?? I just wonder if they would curtail their activities if something like this was possible??  [leo]

I mean they dont like those little laser pointers cos they can cause problems with their heli...COP....ters!  [evil]

I dont reckon I'd like to be anywhere near a modern speed detection device where armed military aircraft are likely to be also??

Just for interest sake, this is how i got my points . All in my car . Coming back from Melbourne . Cop car , coming the other way with camera mounted on the side . 88 in 80 zone . 4 points .Contested that one but aparently the camera does'nt lie ! One month later sydney school zone camera detected at 9 .16 No flashing lights to warn and no road markings at that time, now there's both. 4 points .Last , no seat belt , pulling out of my place  [bang] 3 points So how do i feel riding a bike that gets from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds ? very nervous! [roll] All in the space of 7 weeks It just seemed so easy to do ! 

I'm confused.  How is 8km over = to 4 points?  In Vic (as far as I'm aware) <9km over = 1 point, 10 - 24 over = 3 points.  25 over - start walking.

Here in Vic you have to be suspicious of any vehicle on the side of the road.  Last ticket I got, I didn't even see where he was hiding.  Just crusing along with the road all to myself then next time I looked behind me there was flashing lights.  [bang] [bang]

I also lost all my points (didn't get a letter tho so kept riding) You learn to spend a lot of time looking at your speedo instead of looking at the road/traffic.  But I bet no-one will listen if you use the "to busy looking at the speedo" reason in the case of an accident.

Exceed speed limit by not more than 15 km/h $328 - 4 points, thats how it reads .Does that mean 3 years after that date ?

Ouch  :'(

Reading the VicRoads site about demerits says that you never get back to zero.  With each subsequent misdemeanour they look at it to see if you have amassed 12 demerits in a 3 year period.  So technically you just keep clocking up points indefinitely.  It's just the time period that you do it in that matters. 

eg I lost 3 points in 2006, 3 in 2007 and 6 in 2008 so I'm figuring that the ones in 2006 and 2007 don't count against me anymore. So by my reckoning, next year I can let my hair down - yee haa.  [thumbsup]  [moto]

You would have had your licence suspended for 3 months H!! :o

Whether you get the paperwork or not it just goes through regardless!!  [roll] Lucky , lucky, lucky.

IF the suspension was enforced for the amassing of the 12 points you should have had a clean record reinstated at the end of suspension! [thumbsup]

The only hassle could be a declaration to your Insurance company regarding the suspension! You know how those pricks will use stuff like that to get out of a claim. (Read the small print  [roll] )

Might be worth contacting Vic Roads and getting a licence history!?  [thumbsup]

I'm too scared to ask them in case they decide to impose a retrospective suspension!!  :o :o
I read the VicRoads website about amassing 12 demerits and it did say back then "may suspend the licence for 3 months"  but the website has changed now with new laws coming in.

Got a licence history today. Charged me $ 19  on the net

I understand H, but I dont think there would be a drama anymore as the procedure was to issue an "Option" letter to the miscreant (You  [cheeky] ) to choose whether you wanted the 3 month suspension, or optionally, to enter into a 12 month good behavior bond to be infringement free for 1 year. And, if caught in that period you would be suspended for 6 months.

Amongst other things the letter would state that if the 3 month option was chosen you need not reply and the suspension would start 28 days from the reply date of the Option letter! So if they didnt get a reply from you the suspension would have gone ahead anyway!

Just give 'em a call and ask for an infringement record for insurance purposes and it would be organised by a phone operator and wouldnt go to Enforcement section.  [thumbsup]

Actually I think you can do that now on the Vic Roads site also!? For the required "pound of flesh"! [evil]

Sorry for Threadjacking Gino  :-* - happens all the time around here.  [roll]

Dragon - I've sussed it out - for free.  You can call an automated number to find out how many points you have and last infringement date.
They reckon I only have 3 demerits not the 6 I reckon I have - I'm not going to argue. And my last ticket was 2008 so it's not like it's still getting there (AustPost getting a bit slow?) So I'm guessing that's why I never received a letter.  And to think I've been behaving myself for ages thinking I had no points left  [bang]  [evil] [moto] [evil]

Also that recording still says "if you accrue 12 or more demerits in a 3 year period your licence MAY be suspended".

It's only an $8 rip off from VicRoads. 

H its fine. All part of the subject and great info .Talk about thread jacking --- heard your running Pirelli angels. Me too ! Aint they great ! ;)

Yep Love them.  Also put a 170 on the rear instead of 180.  I'm pretty sure it made a difference but I changed so much about the bike at the same time it's hard to know what to attribute to the tyres. Monsterdorf put one on at the same time too and rode from near Brisbane to Darwin and back.  I'm pretty sure he liked it too.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4771027692_00b98779c9_m.jpg) [thumbsup]

Off to Melb for a week on the bike .Are you on the way ? Maybe i can drop in for an hour or two ?

Hey Dragon, Just to ruin your fun with the radar story

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/radar.asp (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/radar.asp)

Sorry  :)

Heh, yep I have seen the 2 or 3 editions of this story do the rounds on the Email circuit, but its fun to do the "what if" thing. Isnt that what  [beer] and perhaps other substances are used for??  [evil]


EG that fella on the YouTube thread and his beeeyoootufoool rainbow?!  8)  Booby Gravy [roll]

I am running Angels on my Multi, best touring tyre i've ever used... did 4 days away last weekend in the wet and cold and these tyres are truly amazing...

No, I'm over near the Grampians, way out west.  But I'm unemployed at the moment if you wanted to meet up somewhere. Need a good excuse to get the bike out.

Ok cool . PM you when i know  :)

So does anyone know if these new camera cars have to display a sign on the roadway like the previous incarnation of happy snappers???

If it's anything like Qld, they'll put the sign after the Camera.

Drive along merrily
"Hey, whats that dark coloured Van Hiding in the Bushes for..."
FLASH!
"WTF!..Oh Look a sign, Speed Camera in Operation"




"Bollocks!!"  [bang]

More of the same:

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/if-mobile-cameras-snap-you-speeding-youll-get-a-warning-first-20100719-10h0q.html (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/if-mobile-cameras-snap-you-speeding-youll-get-a-warning-first-20100719-10h0q.html)

Mr Scruby would want to look where he is going when he steps out onto the road because motorists won't be >:(

I don't know about everyone one else but has anyone looked at the list of blackspot.

So many of these roads with poor accident history simple look like roads that the government and rta haven't maintained or upgraded to reflect the massive increase in usage. 
How many thousand road trips r there on parramatta road? How many of these accidents happen during peak hour when the traffic is bumper to bumper. Fat lot of good a mobile sped camera will do there if the cars can only travel at 40km/hr.

The media should be all over the rta on the issue as it just shows what a piss poor job they've done ensuring that the roads and infrastructure in this state are properly built, maintained and upgraded.   

I was driving down Lyons Rd, Drummoyne yesterday in a 50 Zone and spotted one. It was sandwiched between a couple of cars and when i went past it the sign was half obstructed by the front bumper. Not clear at all.

Im sure they will catch plenty in the 50 zones! I have been driving down Lyons rd for years and have never seen an accident.

We arent stupid, we all know the state government couldnt put together a decent budget to save their lives, so to fatten up the bottom line this makes perfect sense. I hear that Macquarie Bank has interests in the company responsible for these cameras. Makes perfect business sense. You are always going to make money from fines. Good profits with low overheads.......... wouldnt you??

Do they only catch the front plate? Might be a bit of relief for those who speed occasionally (not me :) ) on the bike

Black Ford Teritory was seen today on the express way between Bulli & Wollongong.

Rob

Free iPhone app trapster can give you the gps locations of current traps including those white vans.

Not that it's much help on a bike, but worth a look.
Rod

Had a look on the rta web site and there is a lot of locations where I blat around on the bike down South.

Better keep a look out from now on! :o

I think you'll find its only the "fixed" cameras that are on the GPS. The mobile units dont show! :o

So just cos the thing doesnt give a warning doesnt mean there isnt one waiting for ya!!  [leo] [roll] [evil]

Do they take photos of the back and/or front plate?

I was driving to work yesterday heading north on the F3.
The first one I was expecting to see should have been on the side of the road stationary, not driving 90km/h in a 110 zone (in the right hand lane). It wasn't until I started tailgating him that I realised that it was full of cameras and all the rubbish strapped to the roof. No one was game enough to overtake it, even though it was doing 90 in a 110. It was so funny.
I then scooted up the left and took this photo and continued along at 110.
It was like a crystal blue colour, bright orange racing stripes (like the Gulf racing colours) and had white "safety camera" signage on the side.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk96/Six95/21072010_004.jpg)

Funny that, I followed a marked police car through a 40 zone this week!
He realized about 3/4 of the way through then braked from 60+ to do the limit for about 150 metres!

Yep, it aint "do as I do" its the "do as I say!?" scenario.  [roll]

The authorities reckon that the Plods get booked too?! The cynic in me doubts that the infringements go through the complete process? [leo] [roll]

Happens all the time brother...  Believe it or not...  (I know you wont)

If ya can't meet the Urgent Duty Driving provisions as outlined by the Chief Commissioners Instruction 06/03 then Rule 305 (exemptions) of the Victorian Road Rules does not apply.

These provisions cover...

Responding to an incident requiring immediate police attention.

Actively involved in traffic enforcement or to intercept a vehicle  for an offence.

Participating in police driver training.

Acting in the course of an operation order.

When engaging in a pursuit.

Actual documentation of at least one of these provisions must be provided to avoid penalty.   I kid you not mate...

Ita

What happens if you have been a very bad boy and have collected your full quota of 12 points!? [roll]

Do you get called to the bosses office with the jar of lube and have to do the suspension/bond rigmarole?? [leo]

Well funny story, good friend of the family is a highway patrol officer... He was told by hus superiors that if they see vehicles parked on the footpath they are to fine them...

They gave out 3 fines the other day just to these mobile speed cameras...

Something tells me the police don't like theses cameras

Apparently the NSW state government has quickly passed legislation to allow for mobile speed cameras to be parked on the footpath

Why does that not suprise me!!  [roll]

I heard of an instance where the camera operator threatened to have a driver booked for parking (Legally) his vehicle in front of the camera car!?  [roll]

Apparently a person can be done for "interfering with the operation of speed detection equipment" or some such thing, and has some BIG penalty's! :o

I always get a giggle out of the country-folk approach.

At known 'black-spots' ... you know the type just inside or outside a dramatic change in speed limit, often at the bottom of a hill but with a little 'cover' adjacent to the road ... it is amazing how many marsupials of the roadkill variety just happen to meet their demise in the immediate vicinity of said 'known blackspots'. Apparently it is a complete coincidence that more roadkill appears in these locations on regular occasions and already in varying degrees of decomposition.

What the make the beast with two backs do you think happens???   Same as for any other road user... 

I give up!!!

Ita

Hey Ita, whats with the "guest" thing?? You seceding from the Federation??  ??? ;D

Daily telegraph are listing where they are now
http://media.dailytelegraph.com.au/files/MSC/MSCJulyRosterSydney.htm (http://media.dailytelegraph.com.au/files/MSC/MSCJulyRosterSydney.htm)

Great Link!

Can confirm CAR 1 at pymble was correct as my misses went past it this morning and called me up to remind me to take it easy when i pick my bike up today near by :)

Looking at the locations document listed on the RTA website i cannot see any reference to the F3 or the Old Pacific, which is more than a Little surprising.

Don't worry I am sure they will get their fair share. But I was also surprised when I first looked at the list ... surprised and grateful.

I went for a ride up old pacific highway to mangrove and back through wisemans ferry yesterday and did not see one police car the whole day!

they usually dont hang around on the weekdays only mainly on the weekends