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71,000 Facebook fans for a fugitive?
Wow, the youth of America love to idolize criminals..........weep for the future.
and these people will be running the country when we are old :-\
thats just a scary thought
people have always idolized outlaws...
Jesse James (the good one, not the current douch)
John Dillinger
Robin Hood
Jesus 8)
^ case in point.
Jesse James murderer is a cool cat. Jesse James....wait im not even sure what he did other than build some bikes and revolutionize that industry.
don't forget all the tshirts people are wearing of
che
manson
mao
hitler
"don't taze me bro" guy
I'm waiting for people to wear the Van Der Sloot tshirts/bumper stickers anyday now. [laugh] [laugh]
every generation goes through their idolization of criminals since they can live vicariously through their actions without actually doing any of the criminal's actions.
Quote from: JEFF_H on July 12, 2010, 07:17:39 AM
people have always idolized outlaws...
Jesse James (the good one, not the current douch)
John Dillinger
Robin Hood
Jesus 8)
+1. It's nothing new.
Weren't those criminals idolized AFTER their life and by generations after?
Manson.......alright yeah, he does have fans in some make the beast with two backsed up way, but weren't the others only popular after they were caught and eventually died?
I thought Robin Hood was more of British Folklore than a real person?
Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, James, etc were idolized during their lifetimes as being people who "stood up to the man." complete bs, of course, but they were idolized nonetheless.
Quote from: avizpls on July 12, 2010, 07:22:54 AM
^ case in point.
Jesse James murderer is a cool cat. Jesse James....wait im not even sure what he did other than build some bikes and revolutionize that industry.
the biker one's notable achievement aside from building silly looking pavement-scrapers was boinking some nazi-looking whip chick on the side when he was married to Sandra Bullock...
guess ole Sandra wasn't twisting his missile in the manner to which he was accustomed
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 12, 2010, 06:10:35 AM
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71,000 Facebook fans for a fugitive?
Wow, the youth of America love to idolize criminals..........weep for the future.
hey how about "Growing Up Gotti"
Quote from: RAT900 on July 12, 2010, 08:18:02 AM
hey how about "Growing Up Gotti"
Good god that show is awful. Watched it once.
The only thing it inspired me to do is never live in New Jersey, but did give me an idea for a sweet new haircut [thumbsup]
Quote from: RAT900 on July 12, 2010, 08:14:44 AM
the biker one's notable achievement aside from building silly looking pavement-scrapers was boinking some nazi-looking whip chick on the side when he was married to Sandra Bullock...
guess ole Sandra wasn't twisting his missile in the manner to which he was accustomed
And this is an offense greater than the violence, robbery, etc of
real jesse james?
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 12, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Good god that show is awful. Watched it once.
The only thing it inspired me to do is never live in New Jersey, but did give me an idea for a sweet new haircut [thumbsup]
but they are in long island...
Quote from: avizpls on July 12, 2010, 08:32:18 AM
And this is an offense greater than the violence, robbery, etc of real jesse james?
umm yes his bikes are that offensive...
as for Bullock I can't really say
As opposed to the other current heroes, like sports stars and celebrities?
here's the thing about hero's
name a few that aren't sports or movie stars to today's world? hard isn't it!
my dad
"All my heroes had FBI files"
The reason why folks like James, Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc were idolized is it has been documented that while they were criminals, they stuck it to the man. I know this has been said earlier in the thread and I am reiterating it.
A good example is of a bank robbery Dillinger did once where he took money a working man had just given to the teller at the bank and handed it back to him saying, "I am here for the bank's money. Not yours." I mean put yourself on the verge of losing everything (the Great Depression) and have that magnified as you watch your bank being robbed but then have that bank robber hand you your money back. Wow. The government never did that for me? This Dillinger guy must be alright.
Not idyllic to say the least but when there are no true heroes to be had among those who should be our heroes, human nature forces us to look for heroes in unlikely places.
Plus, they were robbing the same banks foreclosing on their farms. Pretty Boy Floyd would leave $100 bills under the breakfast plate of farmers that put him up for the night. There was a romance to the golden age of bank robberies.
Jesse James folk status is strange. It's weird that a member of Quantrill's Raiders became super popular around the time of the Civil Rights movement. Correlation isn't causation, but it is an interesting overlap.
I understand the infatuation with Jesse James and old mob criminals.
Hell, I read all non-fiction books of this sort.
Loved the book Killing Pablo.
Talk about a criminal that won over his people to the point where he was untouchable. My god, the guy had a 737 shot out of the sky, not to mention how many presidential candidates he had assassinated or local police chiefs or entire police forces.
Escobar won over his people by giving them money, food, schools, soccer fields, etc the government couldn't provide.
but
this 19yr old douchebag breaks out of a half way house.....robs a bunch of places, uses chalk to draw his feet in a grocery store, steal airplanes, and then get in to a chase in the Bahama's?
I read an article last night that his Mom also retained a huge entertainment attorney in Seattle (represented Courtney Love after her husband died) to help a potential book about the kid...........
make the beast with two backsing seriously?
The Bieber Bandit
The only true Bandit
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They interviewed his mom on the local news.
She blames his problems/criminal activities on the school system...said they didn't challenge him enough. When asked directly if she blamed her parenting at all, she said "no, not at all".
No wonder he is the way he is. [roll]
Quote from: Triple J on July 12, 2010, 04:32:41 PM
She blames his problems/criminal activities on the school system...said they didn't challenge him enough. When asked directly if she blamed her parenting at all, she said "no, not at all".
No wonder he is the way he is. [roll]
Shit Jeremy, who else you going to blame?
Certainly parenting never lead to his shoplifting activities when he was 12................
Seems many blame the school system for problems related to parenting...
JM
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 12, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
Shit Jeremy, who else you going to blame?
Certainly parenting never lead to his shoplifting activities when he was 12................
No doubt
...I did think it was great the reporter had the balls to ask her that though! [thumbsup]
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 12, 2010, 09:21:26 AM
As opposed to the other current heroes, like sports stars and celebrities?
here here [beer]
I blame Woodrow Wilson
I didn't read any of these posts aside from the first..
I am a fan of the barefoot bandit on facebook..
I think it's not the crime that excites me/others but the freedom this kid had. No rules, no responsibility. Free to roam and do whatever the hell he wants. I wish I had that freedom..
don't forget Charlton Heston, he didn't have it inscribed on the tablets he brought down.
yup a lying League of Nations one-worlder...needed a good beating
Obviously he doesn't deserve to be idolized.
But dude stole a helicopter. When you were 17, would you not have been impressed by another teenager stealing a helicopter to evade the police?
And think of the other "heroes" these kids have as options...
Lindsay Lohan?
Paris Hilton?
Brittany Spears?
The world is a different place than what I grew up in. My hero is my grandfather. So much so that I HAD to be in the unit he served in, in WWII.
Quote from: Raux on July 12, 2010, 09:36:19 AM
here's the thing about hero's
name a few that aren't sports or movie stars to today's world? hard isn't it!
That's only because most folk confuse the word hero with celebrity
this is my hero; he's in sports
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Quote from: jebus tristos on July 12, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
Obviously he doesn't deserve to be idolized.
But dude stole a helicopter. When you were 17, would you not have been impressed by another teenager stealing a helicopter to evade the police?
Helicopter?
I read he stole planes, now they are adding helicopters?
I don't want to threadjack, but debating the shortcomings of Woodrow Wilson would be a lot of fun.
while i think it's awesome that he stole more than 1 plane, crashed them all and is still alive, i also think about what it would be like if he stole my airplane. if i saved up enough money to be able to finally buy one and this punkass kid decides he doesn't care enough about other people's property to take mine when he has very little idea of how to operate it, i would want his head.
i guess i admire his gusto and fearlessness, but both him and his mom need to be strung up by their toes.
Quote from: jebus tristos on July 12, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
But dude stole a helicopter. When you were 17, would you not have been impressed by another teenager stealing a helicopter to evade the police?
I'm pretty sure he never stole a helicpoter...just a few planes.
Still impressive for a HS kid with no flight training though. I actually thought it was more impressive that he was able to fly from Indiana to the Bahamas.
Still a douche though.
I think the best thing about this kid is he doesn't wear sandals.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 13, 2010, 05:20:43 AM
Helicopter?
I read he stole planes, now they are adding helicopters?
I think I've ben watching too much Magnum - fact and fiction are so hard to distinguish sometimes. 8)
Quote from: KnightofNi on July 13, 2010, 06:07:08 AM
while i think it's awesome that he stole more than 1 plane, crashed them all and is still alive, i also think about what it would be like if he stole my airplane. if i saved up enough money to be able to finally buy one and this punkass kid decides he doesn't care enough about other people's property to take mine when he has very little idea of how to operate it, i would want his head.
i guess i admire his gusto and fearlessness, but both him and his mom need to be strung up by their toes.
The parents failed him.
He is just a douchebag. I'd be pissed as well if someone stole my plane.
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2010, 06:11:10 AM
I'm pretty sure he never stole a helicpoter...just a few planes.
Still impressive for a HS kid with no flight training though. I actually thought it was more impressive that he was able to fly from Indiana to the Bahamas.
Still a douche though.
I hear taking off and flying is pretty easy in a single engine plane. My bestfriend is a few hours short of his license (can't recall which type of flying one as their are several, but he can carry passengers outside of his instructor) and said it isn't too difficult.
You just need a GPS and some coordination in flying the plane.
I didn't know you could fly a little plane from Indiana all the way to the Bahama's.
That's a pretty long flight for a piper/similar plane.......that is...unless he stole a bigger one. I have no clue.
I don't know the exact plane type, but it was a single engine model.
I know this because his mother (candidate for mother of the year for sure [roll]) said in an interview that she was upset he stole a single engine model. She said she told him to only steal twin engine models for safety reasons!
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
I don't know the exact plane type, but it was a single engine model.
I know this because his mother (candidate for mother of the year for sure [roll]) said in an interview that she was upset he stole a single engine model. She said she told him to only steal twin engine models for safety reasons!
You can't be serious......................
Wouldn't that make her an accessory to his crime?
If his mom is like that, then that changes everything. Our poor world. I want to move to the 1950's man. for real. I was born too late.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 13, 2010, 08:47:32 AM
You can't be serious......................
Dead serious. She's a real winner.
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2010, 08:18:45 AM
I don't know the exact plane type, but it was a single engine model.
I know this because his mother (candidate for mother of the year for sure [roll]) said in an interview that she was upset he stole a single engine model. She said she told him to only steal twin engine models for safety reasons!
Here is a quote from her in the Paper today.
His mother, Pam Kohler, seemed relieved.
"I'm really tired," Kohler said from her home on Camano Island, Washington. "Yes, I look forward to seeing him."
Asked what she planned to say to her son when she saw him, she said angrily, "What kind of question is that?" and hung up the phone.
Quote from: Triple J on July 13, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
Dead serious. She's a real winner.
Where is Joel with his spoon?
http://www.komonews.com/opinion/commentators/63798492.html?tab=audio (http://www.komonews.com/opinion/commentators/63798492.html?tab=audio)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 13, 2010, 09:44:11 AM
Where is Joel with his spoon?
oddly enough... I just today served on a jury for a trial were the defendant stole a car
it was declared a mistrial before I got my spoon out. >:(
If you to make a hero out of a guy flying a plane, i'd use this dude
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Capt+Sullenberger+Returns+Cockpit+Months+After+tBuJ_1ndCDFl.jpg)
^ [thumbsup]