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QuoteEuro drops to new four-year low against US dollar
Euro and dollar notes
The new lows came as Germany tried to limit short-selling [laugh]
The euro has plummeted against the US dollar, falling below $1.22 for the first time since April 2006.
The eurozone's single currency fell more than 1.7% in afternoon trading in New York, to $1.216, before rallying.
The decline came after Germany announced plans to ban naked short-selling of shares from midnight local time (2200 GMT). [bang]
The single currency dropped by more than 2% against the yen.
Traders fear that the austerity measures being put in place in many eurozone countries will hit growth.
Despite the huge sums of money pledged in support for eurozone countries, severe measures are needed to cut budget deficits and debt.
The German government's ban will apply to the country's 10 most important financial institutions, and aims to stop the short-selling of euro government bonds.
Short-sellers usually borrow shares, sell them, then buy them back when the stock falls and return them to the lender, keeping the difference in price.
"Naked" short selling is when sellers do not even borrow the shares.
Ducatis arent german. ???
Quote from: avizpls on July 24, 2010, 06:36:36 PM
Ducatis arent german. ???
In case you weren't aware, the Euro is used in Italy, among other places like Monaco, Vatican City, France, etc -- the exchange rate to the dollar is the same everywhere.
The highlighted portions I added were just commentary -- I found it interesting they needed to stop short selling as it may go even lower.
a. Moment of confusion there. makes sense.
At some point I pray for the day when the people storm the board rooms, trading floors and exchanges and drag these make the beast with two backsers out into the street and lynch them from the lamp posts
I no longer see much of a hard connection between traditional national GNP/wealth-creation based in production and the casino game rigging that the global markets have evolved into
illusionary/ "Virtual" wealth creation through generation of bad debt via junk bonds or sub-prime junk mortgage paper and now algorithmic trading, dark-pools and currency manipulation etc are keeping the markets driving ever-further ahead of regulatory oversight, said oversight which at best renders an after-the-fact control rather than a preemptive one
nothing new actually...nor will the eventual collapse be anything new
the more I look at my 401 the more I think I should be stuffing my mattress with precious metals or using the printed paper I get to buy dirt
more and more I get the sense that everyone is "playing against the clock"....
rolling the dice in the gaming room on the foundering ship until their feet get wet, hoping to win enough to buy their own personal lifeboat
jeez I have a dark view of the world this morning :-X
Quote from: RAT900 on July 24, 2010, 09:09:24 PM
At some point I pray for the day when the people storm the board rooms, trading floors and exchanges and drag these make the beast with two backsers out into the street and lynch them from the lamp posts
I no longer see much of a hard connection between traditional national GNP/wealth-creation based in production and the casino game rigging that the global markets have evolved into
illusionary/ "Virtual" wealth creation through generation of bad debt via junk bonds or sub-prime junk mortgage paper and now algorithmic trading, dark-pools and currency manipulation etc are keeping the markets driving ever-further ahead of regulatory oversight, said oversight which at best renders an after-the-fact control rather than a preemptive one
nothing new actually...nor will the eventual collapse be anything new
the more I look at my 401 the more I think I should be stuffing my mattress with precious metals or using the printed paper I get to buy dirt
more and more I get the sense that everyone is "playing against the clock"....
rolling the dice in the gaming room on the foundering ship until their feet get wet, hoping to win enough to buy their own personal lifeboat
jeez I have a dark view of the world this morning :-X
Mostly agree with you RATT900, but I would rather see our government leaders taken out to the wood shed for spending money that we don't even have, and allowing the shenanigans to occur on Wall Street. That being said, if I had the money I would buy a place somewhere remote and build a house off the grid. Just in case...
Quote from: Grappa on July 25, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
That being said, if I had the money I would buy a place somewhere remote and build a house off the grid.
I'm already planning for it now. I have the rough draft of my manifesto almost done.
I am just looking to get an 848 EVO for around 7000
Well Said Rat!
So tempting but I'll get banned so I'll try and behave.
Yes they should be taken to the shed!
Quote from: muskrat on July 25, 2010, 11:23:46 AM
So tempting but I'll get banned so I'll try and behave.
Yes they should be taken to the shed!
The ducatis?
Duc shed?
Wood shed?
Wood duc?
The circle of duc.
man I just out today looking at homes to buy.. cheapest that's livalbe and qualify for FHA and not in the ghetto was 344k.. at the moment I make engh with ot to pay the almost 2500$ mortgage incliding taxes, insurance.. no one in the fam who uave engh money to give as a gift, I'm kicking my self for not saving engh money when I was young.. ill prob have to drain more of the 401 now.. the idea of your house doubling after interest sickens me.. wish I could get something off the grid..
Tizz,
I get what you are saying.
But then again, I deal in a lot of currency transactions.
Let's just say with our fiscal year end approaching, lots and lots of cash is moving out of US Cash pools ti oay down our loans in other countries (netherlands and luxembourg.....nice tax havens)
I'll find out the actual spot rate tomorrow as I need to clear out some EUR accounts.
However, I don't think it will lower the price of Ducati's in the US, just will give you more buying power in Europe (where EUR is currency)
The one currency that is really baffling me now is the CAD.
We are about even now, plus/minus a penny.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 25, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
The one currency that is really baffling me now is the CAD.
We are about even now, plus/minus a penny.
You mean the Looney
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 25, 2010, 12:58:55 PM
The ducatis?
Duc shed?
Wood shed?
Wood duc?
The circle of duc.
politicians. I regularly flog my Duc thank you very much :P
Rat900, it's not the people on the floor, its those up at the top pulling the strings. A select handful of people influence the global economy and they are the ones who need to be held accountable. Not to mention I don't want to be drug out and lynched for being one of those people on the trading floor.
But yea, an 848 evo for about 7k should satisfy my hunger. Then again I'd get 2, one for street one for track....ok maybe 3
Anyone happen to notice the come back of the Euro ?
Last I looked it was 1.2914 to the dollar.
Up from almost 1.20 to the dollar.
So much for the idea of the fall of the Euro to parody .
Dolph
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on July 25, 2010, 05:29:24 PM
Rat900, it's not the people on the floor, its those up at the top pulling the strings. A select handful of people influence the global economy and they are the ones who need to be held accountable. Not to mention I don't want to be drug out and lynched for being one of those people on the trading floor.
But yea, an 848 evo for about 7k should satisfy my hunger. Then again I'd get 2, one for street one for track....ok maybe 3
Computers...the debbil's tools
ultra-low latency networks...
laws of physics
optical propagation delay
microseconds cost millions
time is money time is money time is money
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
gotta go the Twins need me now...
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Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 25, 2010, 06:57:43 PM
Anyone happen to notice the come back of the Euro ?
Last I looked it was 1.2914 to the dollar.
Up from almost 1.20 to the dollar.
So much for the idea of the fall of the Euro to parody .
Dolph
it is actually higher.
For a spot transaction I just made, I got a rate of 1.34037675
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on July 25, 2010, 05:29:24 PM
Rat900, it's not the people on the floor, its those up at the top pulling the strings. A select handful of people influence the global economy and they are the ones who need to be held accountable. Not to mention I don't want to be drug out and lynched for being one of those people on the trading floor.
Yes and No, but that would be considered a "political" conversation verse what it actually is.......an economics conversation.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 25, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
However, I don't think it will lower the price of Ducati's in the US, just will give you more buying power in Europe (where EUR is currency)
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jud is right. I feel dirty now. The only impact you'll see is if you travel to Europe, like I'll be doing next year, and you actually eat out without having to take out another loan on your house.
Last I knew Ducati prices things the same unit number for bikes no matter if it is here or there. i.e. 1,000 is 1,000. Dollars or Euros only matters for the country in which it is sold.
Then again I could be full of shit and not know wtf I'm talking about.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 26, 2010, 07:17:54 AM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jud is right. I feel dirty now. The only impact you'll see is if you travel to Europe, like I'll be doing next year, and you actually eat out without having to take out another loan on your house.
You feel dirty now? You are Puerto Rican. You always are my friend.
Quote from: Drjones on July 26, 2010, 08:10:30 AM
Last I knew Ducati prices things the same unit number for bikes no matter if it is here or there. i.e. 1,000 is 1,000. Dollars or Euros only matters for the country in which it is sold.
Then again I could be full of shit and not know wtf I'm talking about.
Now we are getting into a little thing called transfer pricing and accounting.
I am guessing that Ducati has legal entities set up all over the world. For example, Ducati North America, etc etc.
If they work like most companies in the world, they have an internal exchange rate fixed in their ERP systems, so each month they have internal FX Gain/Loss depending on what they set their rate for that particular month, year, etc.
So much goes in to manufacturing and the price it is sold from.
For example...........does anyone know if Ducati bills their other entities in local currency or always in EUR?
and yes..........this is a topic I am very familiar with, but not sure how Ducati runs their business as I don't work for them.
Quote from: Drjones on July 26, 2010, 08:10:30 AM
Last I knew Ducati prices things the same unit number for bikes no matter if it is here or there. i.e. 1,000 is 1,000. Dollars or Euros only matters for the country in which it is sold.
Then again I could be full of shit and not know wtf I'm talking about.
The prices are negotiated and set per country by each importer. In our case Ducati North America. That is why we have the lowest Ducati prices in the world (by a long way - and people still complain!). North America is the largest Ducati market outside of Italy, which gives DNA the power to get prices of bikes, parts and apparel to where they are in our market. No joke, FAR below other countries prices!
Quote from: desmoworks on July 26, 2010, 08:38:22 AM
The prices are negotiated and set per country by each importer. In our case Ducati North America. That is why we have the lowest Ducati prices in the world (by a long way - and people still complain!). North America is the largest Ducati market outside of Italy, which gives DNA the power to get prices of bikes, parts and apparel to where they are in our market. No joke, FAR below other countries prices!
Importation tax is set by the government.
Why is a Ducati so expensive in Europe?
They pay VAT. Not sure what it is now, but what.........18-23%?
just to inject a little caustic acid into the discussion:
the price also includes tariffs (all sorts of Gov taxes) and a few other "useless" tools used by the all knowing crowds to "even" out the imbalances - so they claim.