My daily 3am buddha posting came up...
Dalai Lama - It is self-evident that a generous heart and wholesome actions lead to greater peace and that their negative counterparts bring undesirable consequences. Happiness arises from virtuous causes. If we truly desire to be happy, there is no other way to proceed but by way of virtue: it is the method by which happiness is achieved. And, we might add, that the basis of virtue, its ground, is ethical discipline.
my first thought was
Joel
I hope things are better for you and the family today
Great feel good thread, Mother!
Best wishes to BP, LM and family from the wife and I.
yes best wishes to all wherever you are in the world.
Every day is chance to start again in life and be happy, life truly is what you make of it.
I try to be the best human I can be, despite my personal struggles ...........but as I look around me ,mine are no worse or no better than anyone elses here-they are just different.
Joel ,take comfort in knowing that you are loved and that people here do care about you and your family.
Be well Friend,
Erica.
As I watched 3 hours of the Nat Geo channel about the Universe, I am wondering if I actually exist at all ?
The Universe is said to be 78,000,000,000 light years from end to end.
Hard to make sense of a figure that large.
The Hubble telescope has allowed us to be able to actually see to the end of the Universe and the end is still expanding from the " Big Bang " ( which most Scientists believe created the Universe ) faster than the speed of light .
The Universe is estimated to be 13,500,000,000 years old.
We;ve sent radio messages to some distant Stars...they will get there in 25,000,000 years. What's the use ?
Lastly please watch this most incredible video ever taken in 3D by the Hubble Telescope .
The Hubble Ultra Deep Field in 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg#normal)
Hubble Deep Field: The Most Imp. Image Ever Taken (Redux) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgg2tpUVbXQ&feature=channel#normal)
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 01:20:26 PM
As I watched 3 hours of the Nat Geo channel about the Universe, I am wondering if I actually exist at all ?
The Universe is said to be 78,000,000,000 light years from end to end.
Hard to make sense of a figure that large.
The Hubble telescope has allowed us to be able to actually see to the end of the Universe and the end is still expanding from the " Big Bang " ( which most Scientists believe created the Universe ) faster than the speed of light .
The Universe is estimated to be 13,500,000,000 years old.
We;ve sent radio messages to some distant Stars...they will get there in 25,000,000 years. What's the use ?
Lastly please watch this most incredible video ever taken in 3D by the Hubble Telescope .
The Hubble Ultra Deep Field in 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg#normal)
Dolph :)
Dolph...
you're having a flashback...
huh? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on August 16, 2010, 01:27:56 PM
Dolph...
you're having a flashback...
huh? ;D
Nate, did you watch the video ?
No flashbacks here.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 01:20:26 PM
As I watched 3 hours of the Nat Geo channel about the Universe, I am wondering if I actually exist at all ?
The Universe is said to be 78,000,000,000 light years from end to end.
Hard to make sense of a figure that large.
The Hubble telescope has allowed us to be able to actually see to the end of the Universe and the end is still expanding from the " Big Bang " ( which most Scientists believe created the Universe ) faster than the speed of light .
The Universe is estimated to be 13,500,000,000 years old.
We;ve sent radio messages to some distant Stars...they will get there in 25,000,000 years. What's the use ?
Lastly please watch this most incredible video ever taken in 3D by the Hubble Telescope .
The Hubble Ultra Deep Field in 3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg#normal)
Dolph :)
ah grasshopper but the extreme size means all we observe is of the same small nothingness so while you may view yourself as unimportant, you are effectively of the same importance as the worm and the entire planet as far as scaling goes. And if this is but one of billions (or more) universes than you are worth either less or more depending on your perspective. The question is what is the scale of measure for all things.
My preferred measurement is the what you can achieve with the tools given you and the impact it will have on others, therefore BP has great worth.
:)
Things are hectic but good. Lots to do before the services are held.
The house overflowith with pets.
Quote from: bobspapa on August 16, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
:)
Things are hectic but good. Lots to do before the services are held.
The house overflowith with pets.
A cornucopia of critters
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 01:40:26 PM
Nate, did you watch the video ?
No flashbacks here.
Dolph :)
I did Dolph...
The flashback reference was from your comment about wondering about your existence.
Quote from: lethe on August 16, 2010, 01:45:00 PM
ah grasshopper but the extreme size means all we observe is of the same small nothingness so while you may view yourself as unimportant, you are effectively of the same importance as the worm and the entire planet as far as scaling goes. And if this is but one of billions (or more) universes than you are worth either less or more depending on your perspective. The question is what is the scale of measure for all things.
My preferred measurement is the what you can achieve with the tools given you and the impact it will have on others, therefore BP has great worth.
A reasonable conclusion if you are in fact correct in assuming we really do exist.
I'm not sure you have grasped our minisculness in the overall vastness of the numbers of the occupants of Stars, Solar Systems, and Galaxies in the Universe.
We are but one Solar System in our Galaxy the Milky Way Galaxy that consists of 5 hundred thousand million Solar Systems.
How can one not feel insignificant or possibly may be not even exist at all or be a less than an Amoeba in size and scope as less than a speck in the Universe .
Hubble Deep Field: The Most Imp. Image Ever Taken (Redux) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgg2tpUVbXQ&feature=channel#normal)
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 02:18:53 PM
A reasonable conclusion if you are in fact correct in assuming we really do exist.
I'm not sure you have grasped our minisculness in the overall vastness of the numbers of the occupants of Stars, Solar Systems, and Galaxies in the Universe.
We are but one Solar System in our Galaxy the Milky Way Galaxy that consists of 5 hundred thousand million Solar Systems.
How can one not feel insignificant or possibly may be not even exist at all or be a less than an Amoeba in size and scope as less than a speck in the Universe .
Hubble Deep Field: The Most Imp. Image Ever Taken (Redux) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgg2tpUVbXQ&feature=channel#normal)
Dolph
unfortunately I have a grasp of such things (being in the car 5+ hours a day will lead to such thoughts)
unfortunate because such thought is the type of stuff our little brains aren't designed to conceive thus headaches are a norm for me
if one can conceive of a thing they can begin to understand it, knowledge itself is not power, understanding is.
Understanding brings worth, therefore headaches are worth the effort.
neither knowledge nor the understanding is power...... sharing it is.
Quote from: bobspapa on August 16, 2010, 03:51:23 PM
neither knowledge nor the understanding is power...... sharing it is.
but once you really start understanding it you end up seeing the value of sharing it :)
So we're both right and in a nice way. [thumbsup]
From the time I was aware of the Universe I questioned my existence and what lay beyond the edge of the Universe.
I have always believed in a Supreme being.
But I have always wondered what was before there was a Universe and has there always been a Supreme being.
I believe in Christianity but still am in awe by these thoughts.
Dolph
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 04:36:08 PM
From the time I was aware of the Universe I questioned my existence and what lay beyond the edge of the Universe.
I have always believed in a Supreme being.
But I have always wondered what was before there was a Universe and has there always been a Supreme being.
I believe in Christianity but still am in awe by these thoughts.
Dolph
before there was this universe, there was a prior one. Maybe every sentient being gets a turn being the Supreme being of a universe. Maybe next time it'll be your turn, now make sure you do a good job as we'll all be watching.
Quote from: lethe on August 16, 2010, 04:39:33 PM
before there was this universe, there was a prior one. Maybe every sentient being gets a turn being the Supreme being of a universe. Maybe next time it'll be your turn, now make sure you do a good job as we'll all be watching.
Did you come to that conclusion one day on your 5 hour commute ?
I'm not buying that .
I don't believe in reincarnation.
Although you COULD be right about the previous Universe theory. :)
Dolph
Dolph dude, can I have some of what you're smoking? Sounds like it's good ;)
Quote from: El Matador on August 16, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
Dolph dude, can I have some of what you're smoking? Sounds like it's good ;)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: El Matador on August 16, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
Dolph dude, can I have some of what you're smoking? Sounds like it's good ;)
Jesus, like I said, this stuff has been in my head since I was very young...5 or 6 .
I used to drive my Sunday School teacher to almost curse .
Dolph :)
This thread makes me think of Mitch Hedberg and smile.
My friend said to me "I think the weather's trippy." And I said "No man, it's not the weather that's trippy. Perhaps it is the way that we percieve it that is indeed trippy." Then I thought "man, I should have just said 'yeah'."
I just want to know why I knew that stuff was there in 1969... ???
Quote from: ducpainter on August 16, 2010, 06:20:52 PM
I just want to know why I knew that stuff was there in 1969... ???
How old were you in '69 and what " Stuff " are you referring to ?
Dolph :)
Quote from: bobspapa on August 16, 2010, 06:15:17 PM
This thread makes me think of Mitch Hedberg and smile.
Mitch Hedberg 1998 Just For Laughs gala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC5fYlFpxmo#normal)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
How old were you in '69 and what " Stuff " are you referring to ?
Dolph :)
I was 41 years younger than now. ;D
All those galaxies... ;)
I had a conversation with two people about our insignificance. One is dead...RIP Steve.
Your comment earlier shook some memories loose.
Quote from: ducpainter on August 16, 2010, 06:33:04 PM
I was 41 years younger than now. ;D
All those galaxies... ;)
I had a conversation with two people about our insignificance. One is dead...RIP Steve.
Your comment earlier shook some memories loose.
Nate, actually we are the same age.
I hope I didn't bring up bad memories ?
I'm glad you had that stuff figured out to your satisfaction at such a " young " age.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
Did you come to that conclusion one day on your 5 hour commute ?
I'm not buying that .
I don't believe in reincarnation.
Although you COULD be right about the previous Universe theory. :)
Dolph
Believe it or not I have not done illegal drugs of any sort, hell I avoid prescription stuff and rarely drink even.
I've also been contemplating existence long before I had a long commute. As a kid I got over any fear of the dark by taking long walks late at night, inattentive parents can bring some good it seems. Those walks also led to deeper thought, and were best done when snowing as it got very quiet out.
I'd go further than scratching the surface on my overall thinking but don't want anyone to think me weird. [laugh]
Quote from: lethe on August 16, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
I'd go further than scratching the surface on my overall thinking but don't want anyone to think me weird. [laugh]
um..... it's a little too late for that [laugh]
<hug>
Quote from: lethe on August 16, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
I'd go further than scratching the surface on my overall thinking but don't want anyone to think me weird. [laugh]
Yeah, besides travis and Victor
you rank right up there in my top three weirdest DMF members
but
take heart
If Felix was here you wouldn't rate
and
even better
give He Man aand Mouse a couple more years and you won't even be in the top 5
;D
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 16, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
Nate, actually we are the same age.
I hope I didn't bring up bad memories ?
I'm glad you had that stuff figured out to your satisfaction at such a " young " age.
Dolph :)
Very close Dolph.
Nope...all those memories are good ones.
Like the man said...
preserve your memories. They're all that's left you.
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on August 17, 2010, 12:32:55 AM
um..... it's a little too late for that [laugh]
<hug>
:)
Quote from: Mother on August 17, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
Yeah, besides travis and Victor
you rank right up there in my top three weirdest DMF members
but
take heart
If Felix was here you wouldn't rate
and
even better
give He Man aand Mouse a couple more years and you won't even be in the top 5
;D
I could ramp it up by getting into personal stories if need be.
Quote from: lethe on August 17, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
:)
I could ramp it up by getting into personal stories if need be.
you don't eVeR need to "ramp it up" [laugh] [laugh]
you win, you are an official weirdo, k?
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on August 17, 2010, 03:45:51 PM
you don't eVeR need to "ramp it up" [laugh] [laugh]
you win, you are an official weirdo, k?
what happened to getting my wife talking about me, you didn't go there. I was quite disappointed.
Quote from: lethe on August 17, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
what happened to getting my wife talking about me, you didn't go there. I was quite disappointed.
after some serious deliberation...
i concluded that i didn't need to hear anymore "tales of wierd" about you ;D
tell mrs. lethe i say hi
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on August 17, 2010, 03:55:14 PM
after some serious deliberation...
i concluded that i didn't need to hear anymore "tales of wierd" about you ;D
tell mrs. lethe i say hi
ok when she gets home at midnight and starts a conversation with me while I'm still asleep for me to wake up in the middle of like always, I'll be sure to.
Quote from: lethe on August 17, 2010, 03:57:57 PM
ok when she gets home at midnight and starts a conversation with me while I'm still asleep for me to wake up in the middle of like always, I'll be sure to.
I'm not too sure anybody has the claim to the weird trophy of the DMF .
There are many contenders vying for that coveted prize.
Dolph :)
Quote from: DoubleEagle on August 17, 2010, 04:15:01 PM
I'm not too sure anybody has the claim to the weird trophy of the DMF .
There are many contenders vying for that coveted prize.
Dolph :)
collectively we must be due some sort of award like for "Best Ensemble"
Quote from: lethe on August 17, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
collectively we must be due some sort of award like for "Best Ensemble"
When you say collectively, do you mean you and your multiple personalities? Which of those personalities decided to dig the escape tunnel?
Quote from: duccarlos on August 17, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
When you say collectively, do you mean you and your multiple personalities? Which of those personalities decided to dig the escape tunnel?
That is exactly what he meant.
Be afraid... ;)
Quote from: lethe on August 17, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
what happened to getting my wife talking about me, you didn't go there. I was quite disappointed.
you have a wife?
humans are both critical(maybe) and expendable by design...like skin cells
we are linear events contributing to a greater concentric event
accept your mortality
Quote from: RAT900 on August 17, 2010, 08:47:27 PM
humans are both critical(maybe) and expendable by design...like skin cells
we are linear events contributing to a greater concentric event
accept your mortality
The universe was a cohesive something
it exploded
we are survivor somethings on the detritus of that greater something
too small and insignificant to be noticed until our collective meddling has a large enough impact to be diagnosed
then we will be eradicated
with celestial antibiotics
have a nice day
Quote from: Mother on August 17, 2010, 08:21:09 PM
you have a wife?
yup for 15 years now
existence truly makes no sense for you now
Quote from: Mother on August 17, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
The universe was a cohesive something
it exploded
we are survivor somethings on the detritus of that greater something
too small and insignificant to be noticed until our collective meddling has a large enough impact to be diagnosed
then we will be eradicated
with celestial antibiotics
have a nice day
it was the previous nonsense collapsed into a singularity, nonsense that dense is not stable therefore it is expanding once more. Once the nonsense expands too close to where the sane are they push it back and it collapses once more.
Questions about our insignificance or if we exist at all are not new. Descartes wondered about in the 1600s and in the "Discourse on Method" he wrote "Cogito ergo sum" "I think therefore I am." Which is about all I need to know to convince me that I am not some thought floating around in someone else's bad dream.
Ducpainter I think we were ingesting the same stuff back in 69. It's how I ended up finding out about Descartes. I used to wonder why the masses worried about such mundane things, like how do I make a living or where is my next meal coming from when I didn't even know if I was real or, awake or dreaming.
A more contemporary questions of importance might be, how many wackos are there on the DMF and who are they? Am I one of them?
Descartes - I think therefor I am
Wacko - I am not a wacko
Normal - Am I a wacko?
"To be is to do"
-Socrates
"To do is to be"
-Sartre
"Do Be Do Be Do"
-Sinatra
Quote from: akmnstr on August 18, 2010, 05:54:38 AM
Questions about our insignificance or if we exist at all are not new. Descartes wondered about in the 1600s and in the "Discourse on Method" he wrote "Cogito ergo sum" "I think therefore I am." Which is about all I need to know to convince me that I am not some thought floating around in someone else's bad dream.
I need proof.
All my life it has been about " prove IT is so " what you say.
Got me in to a lot of trouble all through life at home and school , especially College.
Show me the irrefutable proof.
Dolph :)