http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/racingboy8261 (http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/racingboy8261)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/chineserotor.jpg)
I bought a pair for my S2R. I am upgrading to 4-pad SBK calipers FINALLY.
I'll put a new set of pads in and see how they do, I'll report if anyone is interested and cares to remind me.
$205 shipped. I've spoken to a few people who have them on other bikes and everyone is VERY pleased. If they can make them well enough fr that price, I might pick up a few more.
I weighed them before putting them back on the bike
1.4 kg each. That's 3.1 lbs for you and me.
That puts them in the "snowflake" Brembo class.
This is the second type, I also bought a pair of these too:
They weigh in at 1.62kg or just about 3.57 lbs each
(http://i.ebayimg.com/16/%21B0q8iOwEGk%7E$%28KGrHqQOKnEEw9FtdZVWBMbUqE%28Ho%21%7E%7E_3.JPG)
Photos:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0168.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0168.jpg)
Bolt cutouts.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0169.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0169.jpg)
backside:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0170.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0170.jpg)
Buttons. Same diameter as the factory swiss cheese brembo rotor I have laying around.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0173.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0173.jpg)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0172.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0172.jpg)
Nice touch. Edges of the rotor are coated.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0171.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0171.jpg)
well let us know, ive been thinking about diving in as well. my rotors are getting there. what pads are u going to be running?
4-pads are pretty grippy. [beer]
Interesting to see and hear how those rotors turn out.
Quote from: He Man on September 01, 2010, 06:34:38 PM
well let us know, ive been thinking about diving in as well. my rotors are getting there. what pads are u going to be running?
The EBC FA322 HH pads.
Two years ago i bought some on ebay , i thought i was buying Braking disks (the where very cheap)
I got them and found out that it were Chinese disks
So they are still hanging on a nail (and i bought some Alth disks)
Quote from: supertjeduc on September 02, 2010, 03:45:19 AM
Two years ago i bought some on ebay , i thought i was buying Braking disks (the where very cheap)
I got them and found out that it were Chinese disks
So they are still hanging on a nail (and i bought some Alth disks)
Sounds like you should have filed a complaint... that's fraud.
Braking is a brand name. That make more sense?
LOL yes!
Chris @ ca-cycleworks has EBC Contour Street Brake for $209 each. I'd rather buy cheap beer than cheap brakes (or tires or anything else my life depends on).
I'm more interested in actual quality and performance rather than just brand name and country of original. Any monkey can turn a steel disk and stamp an aluminum holder.
If they are crap, then I won't buy them again, but I have 10 bikes in my garage and maintenance for the lot gets expensive.
And I can guarantee you if these are good quality and he could get them at a wholesale price, Chris would sell them in a minute.
One thought: My first car was a 1976 Toyota Celica, people laughed at me for getting it, calling it "japcrap" and all kinds of other names. Of course, they weren't laughing much when it passed 300k miles and their fine Detroit-built machines died before 100k....
Quote from: mrEnke on September 02, 2010, 07:59:23 AM
Chris @ ca-cycleworks has EBC Contour Street Brake for $209 each. I'd rather buy cheap beer than cheap brakes (or tires or anything else my life depends on).
Price does not dictate quality.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges here (or maybe lemons). "japcrap" was a brand name, although laughed at, made by overachievers with OCD quality control.
I don't think the same can be said about a lot of the stuff for sale on Ebay. I've seen brembo look-alike clutch and brake masters for a fraction of the price (made in Thailand); same for steering dampers. And if this stuff fails, I don't know who are you going to hold accountable, for me that's part of buying from a brand name rather than a no-name.
Quote from: mrEnke on September 02, 2010, 09:02:50 AM
I think you're comparing apples to oranges here (or maybe lemons). "japcrap" was a brand name, although laughed at, made by overachievers with OCD quality control.
I don't think the same can be said about a lot of the stuff for sale on Ebay. I've seen brembo look-alike clutch and brake masters for a fraction of the price (made in Thailand); same for steering dampers. And if this stuff fails, I don't know who are you going to hold accountable, for me that's part of buying from a brand name rather than a no-name.
Totally different. The stuff from Thailand you're referring to are knockoffs (i.e. illegal if you sell them in the US). These are not knockoffs, it's actually a company in China that makes them (Motor Wave International, phone +86 1-365-619-2397 -- did my homework). And there is no problem suing a foreign company in a local court that is doing business in the USA -- merchantability and fitness (implied warranties) still apply. Plenty of case law on foreign companies selling in the USA being on the hook for product liability.
Then again, my "threshold of pain" for lawsuits might be higher than most people's given it's my job.
Regarding those Thai masters, buying a knockoff actually exposes you to potential criminal and civil penalties since it is a fraudulent product. I wouldn't touch that. These are different. They aren't knockoffs.
Like I said, it is $200 for a pair delivered. I'll check them out and see where it goes.
Interesting.. Seller sent me the FedEx tracking info.. I check it and FedEx picked up the package at the factory.. I wonder how much business they do?
Big ass factory (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=31.569306,120.312544&num=1&t=h&sll=31.566148,120.303027&sspn=0.273832,0.362574&gl=us&ie=UTF8&ll=31.568874,120.312631&spn=0.006344,0.009259&z=17)
Let us know how it goes.
They have a complete set (front & rear) for a Duke II for only $190 (incl shipping) :o
And to be honest. this is the first rotor I've found for sale that'll fit a Duke II (at least in theory)
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on September 03, 2010, 07:43:48 AM
And to be honest. this is the first rotor I've found for sale that'll fit a Duke II (at least in theory)
Email them and ask for dimensions. I found a couple of incorrect dims for the later model Elefants.. they were very courteous and asked for photos of the correct dimensions.
Wondering how many of the "brand name" rotors (and other parts) are made in China...
Does Motor Wave International have a website? I searched and got a company (Italian I think) that generates electricity from ocean currents lol.
Quote from: Bill in OKC on September 06, 2010, 07:11:19 AM
Does Motor Wave International have a website? I searched and got a company (Italian I think) that generates electricity from ocean currents lol.
no, i can't find anything.
the best i can find are incorporation info (in Hong Kong) and a financial rating from one of the Hong Kong index companies, sort of like a Hoover's.
I have a >feeling< we will see them in the future though. If enough people like these rotors and are willing to buy in the USA, I bet they'll get more official soon.
Quote from: mojo on September 06, 2010, 02:34:06 AM
Wondering how many of the "brand name" rotors (and other parts) are made in China...
When I look at the EBC's box that says "MADE IN ENGLAND" I have to thing the same thing. I simply cannot see labor in England/UK being cheap enough to make those reasonably. Then again, like I said, it only takes a monkey to stamp out carriers and to run a CNC to turn rotors.
Fedex showed up today: 4 days from shipping to receipt.
They look VERY good. Carriers are clean-cut and the finish looks top-notch. Every edge is chamfered (on the carrier, as should be). The black anodized finish looks like very well done. The only thing I >don't< like is the "MIN TH 4MM" on the outside of the carrier instead of the inside. The buttons are not semi-float, they are ROCK solid tight. They look the same size as brembo's buttons (and I would be surprised if they were not). Might be able to swap to free-floaters.
Dimensions are perfect so far. I measured offset and bolt pattern and thickness.
Photos:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0168.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0168.jpg)
Bolt cutouts.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0169.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0169.jpg)
backside:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0170.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0170.jpg)
Buttons. Same diameter as the factory swiss cheese brembo rotor I have laying around.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0173.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0173.jpg)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0172.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0172.jpg)
Nice touch. Edges of the rotor are coated.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/th_CIMG0171.jpg) (http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/?action=view¤t=CIMG0171.jpg)
My Brembo rotors have the min thickness stamped on the outside.
Quote from: humorless dp on September 07, 2010, 03:33:01 PM
My Brembo rotors have the min thickness stamped on the outside.
stamped into the metal, or painted in hi-viz white on black?
my brembos have it stamped. a little more subtle.
What's wrong with a Sharpie?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
stamped into the metal, or painted in hi-viz white on black?
my brembos have it stamped. a little more subtle.
They have a lawyer that wants there to be no mistake. ;)
Quote from: humorless dp on September 07, 2010, 04:15:12 PM
They have a lawyer that wants there to be no mistake. ;)
lol, these are made in china, somehow i doubt that claim..! [laugh]
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 04:18:42 PM
lol, these are made in china, somehow i doubt that claim..! [laugh]
I know...
it was still funny. ;D
Somehow I see these being made by a military vendor.
Lettering is very common as opposed to stamping for mil spec parts.
Quote from: humorless dp on September 07, 2010, 04:21:46 PM
I know...
it was still funny. ;D
Somehow I see these being made by a military vendor.
Lettering is very common as opposed to stamping for mil spec parts.
THat's an interesting hypo. Because if they are, then they are 100% contraband. Bush 41 banned PLA-owned industry imports. And I don't think they have the same setup we do, i.e. private companies contracting with the Mao Maos.
Very interesting so far. When are you gonna bolt them up and take them for a....stop? [cheeky]
Quote from: pompetta on September 07, 2010, 04:34:55 PM
Very interesting so far. When are you gonna bolt them up and take them for a....stop? [cheeky]
Give me a little bit. I don't get free time to work on the bikes as much. The delay will be getting the custom hoses. I am putting 4-pad SBK calipers on my S2R. Nothing off the shelf that I know of.... Unless someone knows. Planning to use the SBK style with one hose off the master.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Give me a little bit. I don't get free time to work on the bikes as much. The delay will be getting the custom hoses. I am putting 4-pad SBK calipers on my S2R. Nothing off the shelf that I know of.... Unless someone knows. Planning to use the SBK style with one hose off the master.
That's what I did -- made use of the notch in my SBK fender. Spiegler?
Quote from: pompetta on September 07, 2010, 04:40:44 PM
That's what I did -- made use of the notch in my SBK fender. Spiegler?
Venhill. About 1/3rd the price, I order them from UK. Same basic features as Shpiegler.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
THat's an interesting hypo. Because if they are, then they are 100% contraband. Bush 41 banned PLA-owned industry imports. And I don't think they have the same setup we do, i.e. private companies contracting with the Mao Maos.
Maybe the people that run the biz are ex military factory workers and that's what they know...
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Give me a little bit. I don't get free time to work on the bikes as much. The delay will be getting the custom hoses. I am putting 4-pad SBK calipers on my S2R. Nothing off the shelf that I know of.... Unless someone knows. Planning to use the SBK style with one hose off the master.
If you have clip-ons you can use an SBK line...otherwise it would be a custom deal.
Quote from: humorless dp on September 07, 2010, 05:18:03 PM
Maybe the people that run the biz are ex military factory workers and that's what they know...
i am going to find out. i am always up for a new line of work.
QuoteIf you have clip-ons you can use an SBK line...otherwise it would be a custom deal.
well shit, nathaniel, i think you just saved me $75. I have motowheels clipons and the original hoses that came with those calipers. they dropped the grip by about 2-3 inches for me, the stock handlebars KILLED my back.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 07, 2010, 05:28:26 PM
i am going to find out. i am always up for a new line of work.
well shit, nathaniel, i think you just saved me $75. I have motowheels clipons and the original hoses that came with those calipers. they dropped the grip by about 2-3 inches for me, the stock handlebars KILLED my back.
It should work.
I have CC clips with the stock calipers and a 748/916 style line works just fine.
Wow. Looks like a great deal...like the pattern. I have the Galfers and am happy with them so far, but.....
Hope they work out for you!
Quote from: humorless dp on September 07, 2010, 05:32:02 PM
It should work.
I have CC clips with the stock calipers and a 748/916 style line works just fine.
How did you route the hose? I mounted the new caliper with the 748 long hose and ran it the same route as the original h-style. It came out about 2-3" too long at the banjo.
I have to order pads anyhow, so no rush.. :-/ I'll just get one hose to match this one that is shorter, pref one with clockable banjos.
Does the shorter line go under or over the long feed line?
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2010, 07:26:32 AM
How did you route the hose? I mounted the new caliper with the 748 long hose and ran it the same route as the original h-style. It came out about 2-3" too long at the banjo.
I have to order pads anyhow, so no rush.. :-/ I'll just get one hose to match this one that is shorter, pref one with clockable banjos.
Does the shorter line go under or over the long feed line?
I just put it on.
It is just a bit long, but I didn't think much of it. It doesn't hit anything.
The fender I'm running has no clip as it's an old style SS. I guess if it did have the clip it would be tough to use it.
Quote from: humorless dp on September 14, 2010, 07:53:32 AM
I just put it on.
It is just a bit long, but I didn't think much of it. It doesn't hit anything.
The fender I'm running has no clip as it's an old style SS. I guess if it did have the clip it would be tough to use it.
mine is crazy long. the only retention is the yoke-mounted clip, no clip on the mudguard. i think that's the best way to route the hose, but any other way would just make it worse -- i have to remeasure but it's definitely about 3" too long, i couldn't get it to fit without putting a huge bend in the line.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2010, 07:57:59 AM
mine is crazy long. the only retention is the yoke-mounted clip, no clip on the mudguard. i think that's the best way to route the hose, but any other way would just make it worse -- i have to remeasure but it's definitely about 3" too long, i couldn't get it to fit without putting a huge bend in the line.
One thing I did was to play with the rubber grommet from the old line. I have it so the grommet helps hold it so half the extra length is above the yoke and half below.
I bought the line on the flea for cheap and was more concerned with the stainless line for the pluses rather than the minus of a bit too much length. I guess I called it close enough.
I'm using a 999 line, and it's not long enough to run it the stock route. :-\
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/tank.jpg)
Quote from: DarkStaR on September 14, 2010, 07:16:55 PM
I'm using a 999 line, and it's not long enough to run it the stock route. :-\
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/tank.jpg)
want to swap??
can you measure it? mine is 35.75" from end to end (not center of banjo, end of banjo)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 15, 2010, 03:24:29 AM
want to swap??
can you measure it? mine is 35.75" from end to end (not center of banjo, end of banjo)
That's a negative right now. Tired of messing with the brakes for a while, and "IF" I do, it'll be custom lines.
FYI: You can get used 999 lines for fairly cheap on ducati.ms.
I'll try to measure it up anyway when I find some non-lazy time.
have you gotten a chance to put them on yet? I'd be interested to find out more. I need to get new rotors and these might just do the trick!
[popcorn]
Ate's premium rotor is made in china.
Quote from: djrashonal on October 27, 2010, 10:45:11 PM
have you gotten a chance to put them on yet? I'd be interested to find out more. I need to get new rotors and these might just do the trick!
[popcorn]
yep, i put them on, but i'm redoing my front end so everything is off now.
had no problem with fitment or anything. i put about 500 miles on a new set of pads and i have nothing bad to say about them. when i put the new front end on i'll also be putting proper length hoses as well, then we'll see how they go.
but frankly, i can't see the difference in performance from the stock brembos.
Quote from: floyd turbo on October 28, 2010, 02:16:46 AM
Ate's premium rotor is made in china.
At my automotive shop, we put the ATE stuff on all the european cars with no issues what so ever. In addition, the Bosch and Hella products made in China seem to be far nicer and last londer than the european made counterparts. For example, the Chinese made Bosch mass air flow meter for VW/Audi is about 30% less expensive than the German made version and the seem to last longer.
I.E., their quality of manufacturing is much better than years past...they don't just make action figures and replica watches anymore!
update on these?
My rotors are pass min thickness, something like 3.7mm. I still use em cause its just for city use, but i will change thme once they hit 3.0 or 3.5mm depending on how i feel.
i haven't put them back on yet. they were great. i am still working on the forks.
ask terry (cromo) about them -- he knows someone who has been running them for a long time now, i forgot who.
I weighed them before putting them back on the bike
1.62 kg each. That's 3.56 lbs for you and me.
That puts them lighter than the "snowflake" Brembo .
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965)
how are these working out for you? i'm tempted about getting a set due to a a mishap with my bike and my rotor lock [bang] [bang]
and can they be changed to be fully floating? where's the best place to source the buttons or can they be taken off the old rotors?
I already bought a second set of their other design.
I do not know if they can be converted to fully floating. It's possible you could use the aftermarket brembo conversion to FF, but you iwll need to drill out the buttons to find out.
that being said, they will probably start making them if enough people ask. Email them and tell them. George and Amy will reply.
yeah, i think i'm going to pick up a set too... wish i could get the newer design but it doesnt seem like the 796 has the same rotor as the 696.
have you weighed the new design yet? they say it's about .5 kg lighter than the orig design.
ducatiz,
Yes, you have told us you've bought a second set, but, how are they working? What's they feel like? Better than OEM?
dm620
These rotors work as good as OEM semi floaters. The buttons on the first set have loosened a tiny bit. I've emailed the factory to see if they can make some that are full float style and they seemed to say that wouldn't be a problem.
I'm waiting for a shoe to drop but so far they are perfect.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 11, 2011, 07:12:38 AM
These rotors work as good as OEM semi floaters. The buttons on the first set have loosened a tiny bit. I've emailed the factory to see if they can make some that are full float style and they seemed to say that wouldn't be a problem.
I'm waiting for a shoe to drop but so far they are perfect.
So I can take your word and use them ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on August 11, 2011, 07:29:35 AM
So I can take your word and use them ...
No, you'd probably have to buy a set and use them... [evil]
The links in your first post are kaput, what is the name of the ebay seller you purchased from?
Quote from: ducatiz on August 11, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
No, you'd probably have to buy a set and use them... [evil]
uhm, that's what I meant ...
Quote from: Artful on August 11, 2011, 07:54:24 AM
The links in your first post are kaput, what is the name of the ebay seller you purchased from?
That's always a good sign.
Quote from: Speeddog on August 11, 2011, 05:15:22 PM
That's always a good sign.
They're to expired auctions, nothing related to the seller.
His name is racingboy8261
http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/racingboy8261 (http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/racingboy8261)
Excellent feedback -- the only complaints were that some people had to pay customs when they received it, which isn't the seller's fault at all.
One guy claimed the disk was off center, but that's the only "material" complaint out of 1826 reviews. Could just be BS, plus they have repeatedly said they will take returns for any reason.
wish they made the new style in a size to fit the m796/m1100
did you have a chance to weight the new rotors yet?
Quote from: thought on August 17, 2011, 02:03:27 PM
wish they made the new style in a size to fit the m796/m1100
did you have a chance to weight the new rotors yet?
weighed them before putting them back on the bike
1.62 kg each. That's 3.56 lbs for you and me.
That puts them lighter than the "snowflake" Brembo .
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965)
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on August 17, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
weighed them before putting them back on the bike
1.62 kg each. That's 3.56 lbs for you and me.
That puts them lighter than the "snowflake" Brembo .
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46268.msg838965#msg838965)
yeah, but those are the weights of the wave style rotors. the new ones are listed on the ebay page as being ~3 kgs, .5 kgs lighter a rotor than the wave style ones. just wanted to see if the weight diff can be confirmed or not.
whch new ones, I visited the site yesterday and didn't see anything different ... me was tired then ... sorry then
no worries, here are the links:
orig style "wave" rotors:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Front-Brake-Disc-RotorFor-Ducati-S2R-MONSTER-1000-06-07-/140467331913?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b4816349 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Front-Brake-Disc-RotorFor-Ducati-S2R-MONSTER-1000-06-07-/140467331913?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b4816349)
Weight: About 3.5kgs
vs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2X-Front-disc-Ducati-620-748-900-916-996-998-1000-BLACK-/140442624908?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b308638c (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2X-Front-disc-Ducati-620-748-900-916-996-998-1000-BLACK-/140442624908?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b308638c)
Weight: About 3kgs
so if the wave ones are about the weight of the snowflake brembos, the new versions should be even lighter?
Well, the weight should be for both [3kg]so about 3.3lbs per rotor ...
and btw, I think I should purchase a set just to ... test it with EBC pads ...
Quote from: thought on August 17, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
no worries, here are the links:
orig style "wave" rotors:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Front-Brake-Disc-RotorFor-Ducati-S2R-MONSTER-1000-06-07-/140467331913?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b4816349 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Front-Brake-Disc-RotorFor-Ducati-S2R-MONSTER-1000-06-07-/140467331913?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b4816349)
Weight: About 3.5kgs
vs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2X-Front-disc-Ducati-620-748-900-916-996-998-1000-BLACK-/140442624908?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b308638c (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2X-Front-disc-Ducati-620-748-900-916-996-998-1000-BLACK-/140442624908?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b308638c)
Weight: About 3kgs
so if the wave ones are about the weight of the snowflake brembos, the new versions should be even lighter?
I have a set of both, and weighed them. Those weights are wrong.
The old style are about 3.1lbs each and the new style are about 3.6 lbs
Quote from: ducatiz on August 21, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
I have a set of both, and weighed them. Those weights are wrong.
The old style are about 3.1lbs each and the new style are about 3.6 lbs
ducatiz,
so the weights in kgs are wrong? 3.1lbs : 2.2 = 1.409kgs/ea or 2.818kgs/set and 3.6lbs : 2.2 = 1.636kgs/ea or 3.272kgs/set ...
So my question is, which weight is wrong?
dm620
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on August 21, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
ducatiz,
so the weights in kgs are wrong? 3.1lbs : 2.2 = 1.409kgs/ea or 2.818kgs/set and 3.6lbs : 2.2 = 1.636kgs/ea or 3.272kgs/set ...
So my question is, which weight is wrong?
dm620
I just put mine on a scale. The weights I posted are what I got in the package. I don't know what they posted, maybe that's in the package?
3.1 lbs each for the old style
3.57 lbs each for the newer style
Quote from: ducatiz on August 21, 2011, 11:43:22 AM
I just put mine on a scale. The weights I posted are what I got in the package. I don't know what they posted, maybe that's in the package?
3.1 lbs each for the old style
3.57 lbs each for the newer style
Ok, the weights are the same ... In kgs and lbs ...So it seems that they're very light.
I'll go ahead and order the 3 rotor set ...
cool, thanks for weighing them...
i couldnt understand how the newer rotors would be lighter than the older rotors considering that it looks like there is a lot more material in the new style rotors.
I buy directly from the manufacturer of these brake rotors. I also buy rear brake rotors and billet brake levers from the same factory. They just made some new brake and clutch levers for me to my specs. These parts are top notch.
The levers are folding and I had spring operated ball lock fitted in the folding joint and also a small ball bearing on the thumb adjuster.
I buy in bulk and can supply these parts locally at very competitive prices (big saving on shipping). I will post some pictures if there are any interest in these parts.
ducatiz,
Just got a 3 rotor set on your advice ...
Will use to install my Goldline 4 Pot/2 pad calipers and radial masters ... And to promote my shop's purchasing capabilities ...
Will update in about, ... 6~8 weeks ....
So now that folks have had these rotors a while - what's the status of them?
Mine are doing great. I garage my bike so no exposure, but everything looks and feels great.
I have them on 2 bikes but only have put miles on one of them.
The only thing I WISH was better was the buttons, they are tight. Technically these are semi-floating, but they were NON floating when I got them. They've loosened up a tiny bit.
I've talked to the seller/factory about making them with floating buttons and they were looking into it (~6 months ago)
Quote from: Slide Panda on April 25, 2012, 05:38:07 AM
So now that folks have had these rotors a while - what's the status of them?
great improvement on braking, have to get used to having more braking power . . . with coffin reservoirs still amazing, had to switch back to coffins since radials had leak and were the non-repairable type . . .might order some more to have in stock and sell to other Ducatis around . . .
Quote from: ducatiz on April 25, 2012, 05:41:33 AM
Mine are doing great. I garage my bike so no exposure, but everything looks and feels great.
I have them on 2 bikes but only have put miles on one of them.
The only thing I WISH was better was the buttons, they are tight. Technically these are semi-floating, but they were NON floating when I got them. They've loosened up a tiny bit.
I've talked to the seller/factory about making them with floating buttons and they were looking into it (~6 months ago)
Well, mines had 'play' from the get go . . .
wrte to the guy at motomotivo, his prices are competitive and match the original price and faster delivery, he does have 'full floating' albeit' only gold centres . . .
i've bought s pair the same as OP's gold ones. going on my 97 m750, as part of a dual brake upgrade. Brad Black has the fun of putting everything together. only issue so far is the carrier seems to be slightly thicker than OEM, so there's a clearance issue with the speedo drive when the bolts are fitted. no-one else has had anything like this?
combined with brembo pads and venhill lines, be interesting to see how much better it is from OEM single disc setup!
I didn't notice the carrier was thicker on mine. It might have been but the offset is right. They are lighter though.
Compared to your stock setup you will be doing stoppies
If you pick up the rear disk for a S*R... be aware that there are no magnets on it for the speedo sensor to pick up... I contacted them about it, but they just replied that they know they don't have any magnets, and WYSIWYG from the picture.
ducatiz, can I ask what kind of calipers you went with? I'm looking to upgrade my brakes and all these offsets are confusing. I was just thinking of getting a radial MC, calipers from a 749/999 and these rotors to call it a day. But as I was doing more research apparently the calipers from the 749/999 are axial calipers. Does radial calipers make such a big difference or does having a radial master and axial caliper be unnoticeable?
Oh and as for the rotors I'm assuming you bought the ones to fit 749/999 and/or the 848/1098?
Quote from: xsephirot on June 02, 2012, 05:58:24 PM
ducatiz, can I ask what kind of calipers you went with? I'm looking to upgrade my brakes and all these offsets are confusing. I was just thinking of getting a radial MC, calipers from a 749/999 and these rotors to call it a day. But as I was doing more research apparently the calipers from the 749/999 are axial calipers. Does radial calipers make such a big difference or does having a radial master and axial caliper be unnoticeable?
Oh and as for the rotors I'm assuming you bought the ones to fit 749/999 and/or the 848/1098?
what bike you have?
Quote from: xsephirot on June 02, 2012, 05:58:24 PM
ducatiz, can I ask what kind of calipers you went with? I'm looking to upgrade my brakes and all these offsets are confusing. I was just thinking of getting a radial MC, calipers from a 749/999 and these rotors to call it a day. But as I was doing more research apparently the calipers from the 749/999 are axial calipers. Does radial calipers make such a big difference or does having a radial master and axial caliper be unnoticeable?
Oh and as for the rotors I'm assuming you bought the ones to fit 749/999 and/or the 848/1098?
i don't know anything about the radial calipers re: rotor fit. i assume they work the same way, but don't have a bike with them.
mine is an S2R
Quote from: ducatiz on June 02, 2012, 10:54:24 PM
i don't know anything about the radial calipers re: rotor fit. i assume they work the same way, but don't have a bike with them.
mine is an S2R
Which calipers did you go originally before you tore you redid your whole front end?
Quote from: xsephirot on June 03, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Which calipers did you go originally before you tore you redid your whole front end?
radial calipers will not mount on to your stock forks.
999's came with axial 4-piston/4-pad calipers for a while.
the 4-piston/4-pad style will be super mega over-kill for an S2R800, at least that's the popular consensus. dangerously sensitive braking.
the radial MASTER CYLINDER from a 999 would be a good upgrade. add some gold-line calipers (65mm mount, 4-piston, 2-pad, come in black or gold), and some 320mm, 10-mm offset rotors, and you should be good.
Quote from: corey on June 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
radial calipers will not mount on to your stock forks.
999's came with axial 4-piston/4-pad calipers for a while.
the 4-piston/4-pad style will be super mega over-kill for an S2R800, at least that's the popular consensus. dangerously sensitive braking.
the radial MASTER CYLINDER from a 999 would be a good upgrade. add some gold-line calipers (65mm mount, 4-piston, 2-pad, come in black or gold), and some 320mm, 10-mm offset rotors, and you should be good.
Thanks corey! That helps clear up alot of my questions.
Quote from: corey on June 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
radial calipers will not mount on to your stock forks.
999's came with axial 4-piston/4-pad calipers for a while.
the 4-piston/4-pad style will be super mega over-kill for an S2R800, at least that's the popular consensus. dangerously sensitive braking.
the radial MASTER CYLINDER from a 999 would be a good upgrade. add some gold-line calipers (65mm mount, 4-piston, 2-pad, come in black or gold), and some 320mm, 10-mm offset rotors, and you should be good.
what he said . . . [thumbsup]
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on June 04, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
what he said . . . [thumbsup]
What other ducs other than the s2r1000 had the 4 piston 2 pads?
Quote from: xsephirot on June 04, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
What other ducs other than the s2r1000 had the 4 piston 2 pads?
most S4R . . .MTS1000/1100 . . . GTs[IIRC] . . . most Monsters . . . most 748/996/998[some have the 4/4 set up] . . . S2R800, non Dark models . . .and some other Italian bikes too . . .
Quote from: corey on June 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
the radial MASTER CYLINDER from a 999 would be a good upgrade.
I did this. Works great. Even better if you can get the clutch/brake masters as a set... I personally really like the resivoirs.
so i've now bought metal gear discs to replay my chinese ebay discs :-\ after fitting Brad noticed a bit of runout. one disc had 0.07mm, and the other up to 0.1mm. for a brand new CNC milled disc, this is pretty poor in my eyes. i contacted the seller and they were good to deal with. They've told me their production tolerance is up to .15mm runout, which is alot! service limit is .3mm according to Haynes, so this is halfway there when brand new, and ok for them! so i'm returning the discs for refund at their suggestion, rather than replacement, which to me says something about their own view of their quality, if they dont have confidence this was a 'bad set', and others wont have similar runout. unfortunately i have to cover postage back, so im $65 out of pocket there, plus miss out on the savings i was hoping for by avoiding brand name discs.
on a side note, the whole brake upgrade has been pretty pearshaped, with Venhill sending me the wrong lines twice, and calipers taking over a month before falling through due to customs issues. 3 parts for the upgrade i needed, and hassles with all 3! [bang]
Keep an eye out on http://www.yoyodyneti.com (http://www.yoyodyneti.com) Sometimes Fred has great deals on Brembo snowflakes.
Quote from: corey on June 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
radial calipers will not mount on to your stock forks.
999's came with axial 4-piston/4-pad calipers for a while.
the 4-piston/4-pad style will be super mega over-kill for an S2R800, at least that's the popular consensus. dangerously sensitive braking.
the radial MASTER CYLINDER from a 999 would be a good upgrade. add some gold-line calipers (65mm mount, 4-piston, 2-pad, come in black or gold), and some 320mm, 10-mm offset rotors, and you should be good.
A bit off-topic; however related to the post above...
I have 999 masters and 999 4 piston 4 pad calipers on my S2R (w/ 320mm rotors of course), and it's just fine for me. YMMV
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/DSC05799.jpg)
I am using a banjo bolt with a small orifice (far left in image) to supposedly help slow down initial pressure (so I'm told), short levers, and normally use 1-2 fingers for the front brakes, so that may be a factor.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/DSC05790.jpg)
Before that I had S2R1k masters & calipers (4 piston 2 pad).
The 999 4 piston 4 pad brakes do have more bite and require less effort than the S2R1K parts. The same goes with the S2R1K brakes vs the S2R800 brakes.
Jumping from the S2R800 to the 999 brakes will be very VERY noticeable.
Getting familiar with the new parts is definitely recomended anytime you change something...especially with brakes.
Another thing to note with the 4 piston 4 pad calipers, there are few choices in pads, and the choices available are a bit more aggressive...even the stock pads.
what kind of pads are you running with these guys? my rotors are below spec, and my front pads wont pass inspection. I was thinking about picking up these rotors and a set of pads to go with them too.
I need them to work in the rain and cold. Any rusting on these?
Quote from: He Man on September 14, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
what kind of pads are you running with these guys? my rotors are below spec, and my front pads wont pass inspection. I was thinking about picking up these rotors and a set of pads to go with them too.
I need them to work in the rain and cold. Any rusting on these?
If your monster can fit a 5 bolt 15mm offset (not sure if you ever messed with your forks) I have a set I can sell to you pretty cheap.
Never used them, bought them and then it turned out that the 796 is a 5 bolt 10mm offset rotor
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=08.2003.84 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=08.2003.84)
They go fast though. If none are in stock for more money there are these
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=08.4899.74 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=08.4899.74)
i dont know what the offset or bolt number for mine. :P
at $500 i was thinking about a set of these.
http://bellissimoto.com/BeringerRotorsandKits.html (http://bellissimoto.com/BeringerRotorsandKits.html)
Ill probably pick up the beringers, to be honest $250 vs $500 for known high quality brakes (that look badass) isnt much of a difference.
Local shop has the EBC FA244HH in stock and the DP pads, not sure if either of them are any good for my application, which is to ride in nearly all weather and all temps, street, commuting and touring.
Quote from: He Man on September 15, 2012, 08:04:43 AM
Ill probably pick up the beringers, to be honest $250 vs $500 for known high quality brakes (that look badass) isnt much of a difference.
Local shop has the EBC FA244HH in stock and the DP pads, not sure if either of them are any good for my application, which is to ride in nearly all weather and all temps, street, commuting and touring.
The ones for your bike are $549.
Either of those pads will be fine for you.
i think im going to pick up the EBCs.
if i mate them to the current rotors, can they be used again for the new rotors? im not sure when im going to pick up the beringers, and if i swap wheels ill have to keep one size.
Quote from: He Man on September 15, 2012, 11:27:24 AM
i think im going to pick up the EBCs.
if i mate them to the current rotors, can they be used again for the new rotors? im not sure when im going to pick up the beringers, and if i swap wheels ill have to keep one size.
If you need pads just sand them when you swap to new rotors.
If the old rotors have no scoring/grooves I might not even bother to sand the pads when switching.
took me a long time but, had to order new made in Italy rotors for my bike, the $279 for 3 rotors offer did not work, OK rear still on . . .
every time I was braking, a vibration on the front end . . . only at speeds under 15mph . . . one day just decided it was too much and took the whole wheel to friends machine shop . . . both rotors showed runout . . then, one by one they came down . . . placed on the lathe, and turning by hand . . 0.2mm on one and 0.7mm on the other . . . friend took out some tools, did some work . . no vibration felt but, new rotors had been allready ordered and installed . . .
Next rotors, EBC . . .
Being that it's been almost 2 years I thought those of you who purchased these could update us once again? Was leaning towards a pair of Braketech but an extra $550 for other mods sounds mighty nice...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 20, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
..... the $279 for 3 rotors offer did not work, OK rear still on . . .
every time I was braking, a vibration on the front end . .
Same with me.
Inferior quality rotors, you get what you pay for!! I didn't bother machining down, as it'd just consume rotor material reserved for keeping it in spec thickness.
Maybe some have been lucky and got an ok pair, but never again will I be "thrifty" on primary components like braking or suspension/tyres! [shot]
The only problem with the chinese rotors is that they are not floaters, at all. The buttons are as solid as you can get them, so any wobble is translated as a surge in the brake line and you feel it.
I have had mine on my bike for a couple of years now and, having ridden plenty of ye olde Ducatis with fixed rotors, I was used to it.
The carriers and the surfaces are very good. Mine look great too, after 2 years. The only pregnant dog I had is the buttons and that's possible fixed by fiddling with them.
I did have several conversations with the makers of the ones I got and I believe they are now shipping them with buttons that have about 1mm of play, making them semi-floaters, like the standard Brembo disks.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 26, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
The only problem with the chinese rotors is that they are not floaters, at all. The buttons are as solid as you can get them, so any wobble is translated as a surge in the brake line and you feel it.
I have had mine on my bike for a couple of years now and, having ridden plenty of ye olde Ducatis with fixed rotors, I was used to it.
The carriers and the surfaces are very good. Mine look great too, after 2 years. The only pregnant dog I had is the buttons and that's possible fixed by fiddling with them.
I did have several conversations with the makers of the ones I got and I believe they are now shipping them with buttons that have about 1mm of play, making them semi-floaters, like the standard Brembo disks.
that sounds like the ones S3 sell out here. the local disc grinder used to do them new for them as an additional cost option and also redo a few due to warranty issues, but said he hasn't done any for a while. so maybe that's all it took.
the floating thing is funny. anyone who worked at a bmw dealership during the r1200gs days know how many variations of disc mounting they went through to try to stop them warping. it was quite amazing the stuff they did, none of which really seemed to solve the problem bikes.
Quote from: brad black on March 26, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
the floating thing is funny. anyone who worked at a bmw dealership during the r1200gs days know how many variations of disc mounting they went through to try to stop them warping. it was quite amazing the stuff they did, none of which really seemed to solve the problem bikes.
were those bmws stainless or iron?
i never had any warping on the old fixed cast iron type on my pantahs. they were >6mm thick though, pretty hard to warp
stainless. we had bikes up to their 5th set or more.
Quote from: brad black on March 27, 2014, 03:04:24 PM
stainless. we had bikes up to their 5th set or more.
that's utterly absurd.