After a few tries I did give up trying to change my front sprocket from 15t to 14t. I have a Monster 796. I did everthing right (I think so) loosen the chain, removing sprocket cover and I did remove the clutch slave cylinder. But i did get the chain of the front sprocket, I need to get the chain of the sprocket before I can remove the sprocket, but I can't. What am I doing wrong? [bang]
If you have the chain loose enough you should be able to just slide the sprocket right off. I'm not familiar with the 796 but on mine I couldn't get the chain off the sprocket first. Once the chain was loose enough and the bolts were removed from the sprocket I kind of just jiggled the sprocket off along with the chain.
Make sure the chain has enough slack. Although, like I said, I don't have too much experience with the SSSA. Maybe someone else will chime in soon.
I did use a tutorial of removing a sprocket on a 696, but I think that the SSSA need some extra thingie to do before I could remove the sprocket. I think that i need to remove the sidepeg, not sure (I hope not)
Edward -
I just did it on my SSSA S4R. I sat there for about an hour, staring at the bike before I realized that in order to get the chain loose enough, you need to get it off the rear sprocket, or remove the entire rearset (what I believed you called sidepeg). Actually really easy. Just guide part of the chain off the rear sprocket, and have a friend roll the bike until the entire thing is off. Once you get the front on, you can then just do the reverse. Guide part of the chain onto the rear sprocket, and roll the bike until it's back on.
Make sure you righten the two bolts that hold rear tight! I forgot and the chain went to full sag before I even made it out of the garage.
-Jimmy
thx Jimmy, gonna sit and look at it :) and after that I will remove the left rear set and fix that damn 14t sprocket. [moto]
Wait?
I hope you didn't read my response wrong. You don't need to remove the rearset. You just need to get the chain off the rear sprocket.
"just guide part of the chain off the rear sprocket, and have a friend roll the bike until the entire thing is off. Once you get the front on, you can then just do the reverse. Guide part of the chain onto the rear sprocket, and roll the bike until it's back on."
-Jimmy
ok, gonna try that this weekend. [beer]
I had to remove the rearset to get the chain off of my 1100. It just takes a minute to take off. Make sure you use a rearstand, because part of the kickstand mount uses one of the bolts on the rearset. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Edward_Wolf on September 02, 2010, 06:59:48 PM
ok, gonna try that this weekend. [beer]
hows the ride looking to drop my front sprocket too
is it doing power wheelies on first , second ect
Guys , where did you purchase your 14T Front Sprockets from? I am thinking about getting it for my Ducati Monster 1100 2009.
Quote from: jchurch on December 02, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Guys , where did you purchase your 14T Front Sprockets from? I am thinking about getting it for my Ducati Monster 1100 2009.
www.ca-cycleworks.com (//http://)
Heath thanks for your quick reply.
BTW: How do you find the 14T compared to the 15T? Did you think it was a valued upgrade?
Quote from: jchurch on December 02, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Guys , where did you purchase your 14T Front Sprockets from? I am thinking about getting it for my Ducati Monster 1100 2009.
I got mine from the dealer he had a bunch in stock. I think it was $35.
why cant you guys just use the chain adjuster (the eccentric hub) to give the chain slack and then just pull it off the sprocket???
I went up the rear +1 tooth. Most people do +3 in the rear since its equal to -1 in the front.
+1 in the rear makes a small difference. not really noticeable unless u put a ton of miles on the bike and know how it feels.
Quote from: He Man on December 03, 2010, 12:45:43 PM
why cant you guys just use the chain adjuster (the eccentric hub) to give the chain slack and then just pull it off the sprocket???
Their isn't enough room in-between the sprocket and case to slip the chain off. I had to take the rearset off and slide the sprocket and chain past the case and then pull the sprocket. I had the chain completely off of the rear sprocket.
Quote from: DucNaked on December 03, 2010, 02:40:31 PM
Their isn't enough room in-between the sprocket and case to slip the chain off. I had to take the rearset off and slide the sprocket and chain past the case and then pull the sprocket. I had the chain completely off of the rear sprocket.
Key phrase for the 696/796/1100.
Well, I think I will go back to 15t front. Why? - Because I get this grinding "feeling" at my left ankle when coasting at slow speeds, ie when coming to a stop, clutch in. It feels like the chain is sitting hard on the plastic guide on the SSSA, near the front sprocket, and it is rubbing on that. I cant find an excessive amount of plastic or other material building up around the chain though...
It is a shame, because generally I find ridability 10x better with the 14t.
Does anybody else have that "grinding" sensation?
One more thing I noticed and I'm not sure if it is related to my issue, the 15t "factory" sprocket has a recess (about 2mm) for the mounting plate to bolt up to. This brings the teeth about 2mm further out from the mounting location.. ?
The 14t is flush from the teeth to the shaft, again, anyone else notice this? Bringing the chain 2mm closer to the bike. Am I being too anal about this, or could this be a real issue?
BTW, bike has 2200km on the clock and I did the 14t at the first 1000km service. It is 796ABS, MY2012
2mm off doesn't sound good. The chain link plates could be rubbing on the center rib of your plastic guide rather than just the pins resting on it. Sure you have the right 14T for that bike?! My Driven Racing 14T has the chain running correctly. Where did you get your 14T?
Would you be able to confirm if your original sprocket also has the recess I refer to?
The sprocket that went on was installed by my local dealer on the first service, and has a flush face. It matches the part number required, I did look it up at the time to check.
So, are the 14t sprockets people are putting on, flush or recessed?
Not sure what you're saying. My dealer installed this one. How does yours compare? http://motowheels.com/i-8051233-driven-light-front-sprocket-525-14t.html (http://motowheels.com/i-8051233-driven-light-front-sprocket-525-14t.html)
Quote from: matsoutback on May 27, 2012, 11:23:35 PM
Well, I think I will go back to 15t front. Why? - Because I get this grinding "feeling" at my left ankle when coasting at slow speeds, ie when coming to a stop, clutch in. It feels like the chain is sitting hard on the plastic guide on the SSSA, near the front sprocket, and it is rubbing on that. I cant find an excessive amount of plastic or other material building up around the chain though...
If you put the bike up on a stand and spin the rear wheel.... can you hear/detect your grinding sound??
Quote from: matsoutback on May 27, 2012, 11:23:35 PMOne more thing I noticed and I'm not sure if it is related to my issue, the 15t "factory" sprocket has a recess (about 2mm) for the mounting plate to bolt up to. This brings the teeth about 2mm further out from the mounting location.. ? The 14t is flush from the teeth to the shaft..... Bringing the chain 2mm closer to the bike.
I'm sure a clue lies within the differences you've identified between stock and replacement sprockets....
Quote from: matsoutback on May 27, 2012, 11:23:35 PMAm I being too anal about this, or could this be a real issue?
If it were mine I wouldnt ride it until I located the source of the "grinding" sound....
Quote from: matsoutback on May 27, 2012, 11:23:35 PMIt is a shame, because generally I find ridability 10x better with the 14t.
As do many others, myself (M1100) included for a while. The issue is not the 14t sprocket in general..... but something awry with your 14t sprocket and/or installation by the sound of it.
I've subsequently dumped the 14t front in favour of 15/43 combo, but not because of any fitment issues with the 14t'er.
Thanks for the reply;
1. I can't hear any abnormal sound when free wheeling the rear tire when it is on the stand. [bang]
2. The recess I refer to basically moves the teeth out beyond the mounting plate that 2 or so mm. I thought this was the problem too, so I ordered another 14t from Ducati (using their part number) for the 796, this sprocket did not come with the tapped screw holes to mount the retaining plate. (the one you slide over the spline, then rotate in the grove, and screw onto the sprocke with the 2 bolts.) - Does anyone's 14t have this recess, I'm sure Ducati did not produce a one off bike for matsoutback... :-\
3. I have ridden it over 1200km with the 14t, and the feel of the grind is reducing. It must be said, the "grinding" only happen when slowing / coasting, in nutral. The shop, whom have a great reputation BTW, say it is OK to ride.
4. It is obviously better riding it with the gearing this way, so I have purchased a 41 for the rear and will change it over to 15 /41 this weekend. I also guess I'll be bying a new chain too.. :(
5. Why did you go to a 15/43?
[beer]
Quote from: matsoutback on May 29, 2012, 10:45:10 PM.... I ordered another 14t from Ducati (using their part number) for the 796, this sprocket did not come with the tapped screw holes to mount the retaining plate. (the one you slide over the spline, then rotate in the grove, and screw onto the sprocke with the 2 bolts.)
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but just to be clear, does your stock 15t sproket have the 2 bolts and retaining plate (items 12, 13, 14 shown below):
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_GmPktBf8jlk/TLSl3_EsA-I/AAAAAAAAAUc/XhLnrBR-ehk/ScreenHunter_07%20Oct.%2012%2012.48.jpg)
or is it like M1100 with one large retaining nut (items 29, 13,12 shown below):
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7300126484_624eba2618_c.jpg)
Thanks for your diagram.
It matches the top one, with the retaining plate.
You can't see the recess I refer to on this diagram, because it is on the side the plate mounts to.
Right. So since M796 uses the locking plate (top pic) like M696 does, then I'd really want to be sure it was mounted correctly. Despite what your dealer says, I wouldnt ride it until I was
sure.
Quote from: matsoutback on May 29, 2012, 11:17:52 PMYou can't see the recess I refer to on this diagram, because it is on the side the plate mounts to.
So the recess on the stock 15t sprocket allows the retaining plate (item 13) to sit within it, causing the stock sprocket to sit more outboard (as in closer to your left boot) than the unrecessed 14t item? In other words without this recess your aftermarket 14t is running further in on the output shaft, closer to the motor?
Not wishing to overly alarm you (and the following is related to DSS M696 which uses locking plate for sprocket retention) but you'd wanna make sure you avoid something like this >>
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43390.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43390.0)
The 796 instance begins here >>
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43390.msg1056121#msg1056121 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43390.msg1056121#msg1056121)
And given the 2mm difference in sprockets which you've described this seems to me to be relevent:
Quote from: mitt on October 12, 2010, 12:12:55 PM
Looks like the wrong sprocket maybe. Does the one on your bike have the shoulder sticking out toward the engine like the one in the diagram?
I am guessing someone tried going down a tooth in the front, and bought the wrong sprocket for an older monster.
mitt
Quote from: matsoutback on May 29, 2012, 10:45:10 PM5. Why did you go to a 15/43
Stock M1100 gearing is 15/39. Like you I liked the lowered 14/39 gearing.... but then I wanted an AFAM quick change sprocket carrier.... which meant a new rear sprocket... so I took the opportunity to go to 15/42... (+3 on the rear is more or less = to -1 up front) along with a new chain.... Shortly after that... I opted to lower gearing just a little more to the 15/43 which I find perfect. Wouldnt suit the autobahn bashers like
Raux though...
You are correct in your description of where my chain runs. [thumbsup]
I would suggest everyone who is running the 14t has altered the location of where the chain runs - closer to the bike.
I had read the linked posts - but thanks for bringing those up again. I am not sure if any technical solution came out of that, it is just quite worrying. Good that Ducati came to the party though.
I will be swapping back to the 15t this weekend first to check if the feeling I get disappears, then, if it does (pretty confident it will), I'll be using the 41t on the rear I have already bought.
I will report back with my findings after the weekend.
[wine]
Quote from: matsoutback on May 30, 2012, 11:46:36 PMI would suggest everyone who is running the 14t has altered the location of where the chain runs - closer to the bike.
Nope. Dont agree. No reason why a correctly specified, correctly fitted 14t sprocket should alter the chain run.
Quote from: ungeheuer on May 31, 2012, 05:10:52 AM
Nope. Dont agree. No reason why a correctly specified, correctly fitted 14t sprocket should alter the chain run.
[thumbsup]
I ran an aftermarket 14t bought from a Ducati dealer for most of the first 5000 miles or so. no issues. It was installed correctly.
So the consensus is - I have the wrong part on my bike.
Where do you lot recommend getting sprockets from?
No idea about Australia but if you can find a Driven Racing 14T for your bike, that works no issue. The part # is 10 67 525 14. Possibly there's an Australian distributor? Also a good bit cheaper than the DP item @ ~ $38- U.S.
Thanks for the reply - I have ordered a part from monsterparts.com
It is an AFAM sprocket, and I used their selection method. My research has shown that there is a unique part for the 796 Monster that incorporates the recess I refer to.
This AFAM part number is 52616-14
This is my receipt, which by the way does not mention the actual part number on the AFAM catalog....
Code Name Quantity Price/Ea. Total
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52604d15 Drive Systems- AFAM Front Sprocket 1 $30.00 $30.00
Model: 796
Size: 14
Width: 525
We will see,
Thanks all.
Didn't know it was unique to M & HY 796. The Driven sprocket you will receive has NO recess, but don't panic! It's bolts up just fine and everything is in line. This old geezer just crawled on the floor and removed the cover on mine..., to once again, verify! ;)
Maybe you should shoot your dealer? Seems to be a lot of that going around lately... http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=56650.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=56650.0)
I appreciate your comforting words, but if it does not have the recess, it will not run in the same line as the OEM part.
The recess sets the location of the sprocket because the mounting plate bolts up to it, and the plate sits in the groove on the output shaft. [bang]
Anyway, I will bring back the news when the part arrives, usually about 1-2 week to get "down under", if they have it in stock.
[wine]
Relax! It may be shimmed appropriately on the back. It lines up. Read the other thread above. Those lads got theirs either from my dealer, Duc Pond or Jeff at Monsterparts. Try it. You'll like it. 8)
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Quote from: matsoutback on May 31, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
Thanks for the reply - I have ordered a part from monsterparts.com
It is an AFAM sprocket, and I used their selection method. My research has shown that there is a unique part for the 796 Monster that incorporates the recess I refer to.
This AFAM part number is 52616-14
This is my receipt, which by the way does not mention the actual part number on the AFAM catalog....
Code Name Quantity Price/Ea. Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
52604d15 Drive Systems- AFAM Front Sprocket 1 $30.00 $30.00
Model: 796
Size: 14
Width: 525
great place to get your drive parts . local for me .
wow, i didnt know the 796 runs a 525 chain. that's the first small motor to run that from what i researched.
Quote from: matsoutback on May 31, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
Thanks for the reply - I have ordered a part from monsterparts.com
We will see,
Thanks all.
Jeff at Monsterparts will see you right mate [thumbsup]
Update from the shed, this weekend. ;D
I took the 14t off and cleaned it up. I observed a polished side and an untouched side to the sprocket; this is because it has been rubbing the chain on one side only, the bike side. This makes sense. Because the chain wants to run 2 or so mm further out, the sprocket is “holding it in†closer to the bike, thus the contact on one side of the sprocket only. ;)
I was pretty happy with myself and put the 15 back on, then the chain over the rear drive sprocket. That is pretty difficult to do, in fact, once you have the 15t front on; I now know why people remove the rear sprocket to get the chain off these bikes. The eccentric hub does not allow enough slack to take the chain off.
The only bad thing that happed was; I snapped one of the front retaining plate bolts as I was putting it back together. [bang]
Down to buy a couple of new ones and a small torque wrench...
Monster parts did not have any 14t for the 796 in stock, so, I'll run around on the 15t for a while, and possibly go up on the rear instead, I chickened out of replacing the rear, I might get the shop to do it. :-[
[wine]
My dealer in Virginia has them in stock. Seems to be supplying everyone here lately. ;) Ask for Nathan. http://www.ducpond.com/ (http://www.ducpond.com/) You know you hate that 15T. ;D