Since Stuart asked for this thread.....here it is!
Now....I feel like the Turbo T/A comment is worth at least a 30 second ban.
All those in favor?
Reporting in... [roll]
Can I come out now?!?
...or did that comment about the '93 Olds Achieva SCX with the W41 handling package at lunch today extend my ban...
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 07, 2010, 08:14:58 PM
Can I come out now?!?
...or did that comment about the '93 Olds Achieva SCX with the W41 handling package at lunch today extend my ban...
NO YOU MAY NOT!!!! The Achieva comment may warrant a lashing, too.....maybe with a wet noodle or another similarly violent substance.
When's the wedding you two? And can I be the bestman bridesmade?
Quote from: kingbaby on September 08, 2010, 04:31:07 AM
When's the wedding you two? And can I be the bestman bridesmade?
You know I'm still smitten with you, K.B. ..... or was it Bonfy? In any case, D.S. is just a dalliance until one of you (I'm leaning toward Bonfy...she's prettier than you in a dress, K.B.) comes to your senses. ;D
bQuote from: Cloner on September 08, 2010, 04:42:16 AM
You know I'm still smitten with you, K.B. ..... or was it Bonfy? In any case, D.S. is just a dalliance until one of you (I'm leaning toward Bonfy...she's prettier than you in a dress, K.B.) comes to your senses. ;D
ya big tease
remember, I was the one that let you go to second base on the first date.
And all dresses look good layin' on the floor next to the bed...just sayin'
Noooow back to stu talking about gay cars from the 70's
Stu, hope the new truck is working out. I was super impressed with what I saw for the money fo sho.
Quote from: Cloner on September 08, 2010, 02:52:33 AM
NO YOU MAY NOT!!!! The Achieva comment may warrant a lashing, too.....maybe with a wet noodle or another similarly violent substance.
Saw a '93 Mustang Cobra yesterday too. 1 of 4993 made! Had the 17" stock 7-spoke wheels, 4-wheel disc brakes, red over grey... Nice.
They also made 107 more 1993 Mustang Cobras that year, but those were the 'R' models. Those were *SUPER* special...
Built on the convertible chassis
Radio delete plate
A/C delete
Rear-seat delete
13" front brakes
11.65" rear brakes
5-lug wheels
Special 17" wheels
another 10hp out of the 302
----yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm headed back to the corner now. [roll]
Corner? That's not far enough. You're talking about early 90's Mustangs...really? and they made that many? Why?
Ok, fine. The corner will do for now. Let me know when you start talking about GT 500's
1967 Shelby GT500 was the 'true' one of the 4 year production (1967 to 1970). As the years wore on, more and more creature comforts became available at first and then standard equipment.
1967 got you a close-ratio Top-Loader 4 on the floor and the *mighty* Ford 427 medium-riser side-oiler (with cross-bolted main-caps BTW) under the hood in a hard-top ONLY.
1968 through 1970 got the 428SCJ (no slouch, but not a 427) and when it made it's swan-song in '70, there was a convertible with an automatic. [roll] Why stop there? Why not make a 4-door?!? [roll]
Go to JAIL. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL! Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.
Quote from: Cloner on September 09, 2010, 04:58:17 AM
Go to JAIL. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL! Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.
Now.. if this was knowlege about a chevette, or a gremlin, or even as far off as a MG or Triumph, Then Maybe some jailtime. Were talking about American Musclecar history here.. Thats justifiable to me. As long as he doesnt go back to the Achieva or some other random off kilter crap I think he can just remain in the corner for the time being.
And for the record.. Where the hell is "GO?" I need to start passing it more frequently and getting my damn $200.
First generation Trans-AM Z/28 Camaro info anyone?? Chevy 302's and Muncie close ratio's for the win!
Quote from: Ratfink749 on September 09, 2010, 06:18:11 AM
Now.. if this was knowlege about a chevette, or a gremlin, or even as far off as a MG or Triumph, Then Maybe some jailtime. Were talking about American Musclecar history here.. Thats justifiable to me. As long as he doesnt go back to the Achieva or some other random off kilter crap I think he can just remain in the corner for the time being.
And for the record.. Where the hell is "GO?" I need to start passing it more frequently and getting my damn $200.
First generation Trans-AM Z/28 Camaro info anyone?? Chevy 302's and Muncie close ratio's for the win!
Wayne....you may go to Jail, too.
Go is between Boardwalk and Mediterranean.
make the beast with two backsing Monopoly game references?
You guys must be really bored today.
;D
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 09, 2010, 11:34:29 AM
make the beast with two backsing Monopoly game references?
You guys must be really bored today.
;D
At least nobodies doing it with Col. Mustard in the library with the lead pipe..
Hey Man, get a CLUE... [laugh]
1967-1969 Z28's, eh?!?
More of a Ford-guy, but I do know that in '67 the Z28's were an option w/o an external badge. Also, the 67 had 1/4 windows, no side marker lights and a dash mounted ignition.
Col. Mustard?!? Lead-pipe?!? Oh the references that could be made... [roll]
1967 IIRC there were 602 produced. 1968 was closer to 18,000, 1969 23,000ish. 67 and 68 both ran a 2 bolt main block, while the 69 got the 4 bolt. Chevy rated the 302 at a mere 290hp. (Though highly underrated for insurance reasons) These flat tappet 302's would rev 7500 rpm even though they were produced with what has been said to be the heaviest OEM pistons GM ever used. The 302 was originally created as somewhat of a hybrid between a 327 block and a 283 crankshaft. (4" bore, 3" stroke, small journal crankshaft) Available with Dealer installed headers, an optional Cross ram intake manifold, and one of the first GM showings of 4 wheel disk brakes.
... Can I go to the fancy celebrity Martha Stewart Jail? or is it gonna be BCDC for me?
A few weeks ago, I was at a business on Juan Tabo just south of the fwy. Next door was a car performance place. It was a Friday afternoon before the Sat. night scheduled drag races.
Here's the part for Ratfink.... [drool]
As I drove up there was a continuous roar of... some tortured monster...that I could hear even inside my truck a block away with the A/C on. ....A cloud of smoke was coming out of the building, which appeared to be on fire! .....So, naturally I went to see what the .... was up. Inside on the dyno rack was a very nice '69 Camaro with a built 454 motor... with Nitrous.... It had just made a "pull". The computer said 459 hp at the rear wheels! The smoke had been coming from the Hoosier rear slicks that were being tortured and slipping on the dyno wheel.
The next car up was a nice looking '57 Chevy two door coupe with a very large lump coming out of the hood. The lump was a 6-71 GMC blower pushing lots of boost to a built small block. There was another "pull", with even more noise and smoke from the Hoosiers..... The computer again read in the 450-460 hp range..... Just friggin awesome....!!!!!!! :o
The enormous booming sound pounding your chest, the smoke rising off the tires and the very real danger of things blowing up and sending parts to the moon... was worth the price of admission at any show in town!
Motorcycles or cars....they all got motors and produce fun!.....make your choice and have some of that fun. If you got lots of $$$'s, do both!! ;D
Go RatFink!.... Go Stew! ..and now I'll stand in the corner too. [laugh]
Ahh yes! The Dyno Edge. Good little shop there! They have somewhat of a specialization in Mustang performance, but the cars that go in and out of there for some Dyno tuning are just amazing! I pass it frequently as its just up the street from my house. Glad you got to have a good chest pounding while you were there! [thumbsup]
Aaaahhh... Where to continue?!? Vintage Camaro's? The Mighty '69 ZL-1 all-aluminum big-block perhaps? The '61 Oldsmobile Turbocharged Jet-Fire all-aluminum V8 maybe? The '66 Buick Wildcat Gran-Sport maybe for the larger vehicle crowd?
Perhaps I should delve into the various differentiations between the many differing Ford V8 engines from the 1950's until the 1990's...
Maybe a historical look at the small-block Ford from 1962 until it's demise in 1998....
Aaaahhhhh!!! I know: The 1969 Ford Torino Talladega. 852 examples made it off the assembly line in 1969 and it was designed in a wind-tunnel for one purpose: NASCAR domination against the Super-Bird (and it was hugely successful too!) I've driven one BTW... [evil]
Street versions 'got by' with the 428CJ and SCJ engines and most were backed up to the venerable C6 automatic (as was the car I drove). Primary differences between the regular Torino and the Talladega were:
Side-skirt ground effects (they left the sheet metal seam below the doors 1/2" longer than on the other Torino's which was highly effective at speeds over 160mph).
A different front bumper (it was actually a rear bumper from the same car with some holes filled in and different mounting brackets)
The car sat about 1/2" lower than the standard Torino's too.
The engine that powered the NASCAR Talladega's was the BOSS429 engine which was actually homologated in the Mustang chassis for 1969 in the form of the Boss429 Mustang (obviously).
The combination of the aerodynamically modified Torino and the new BOSS429 engine proved to be a very winning combination for Ford in the 1969 NASCAR series. In fact, it was SO successful that in 1970 when the new body style Torino came out (and was an aerodynamic flop at high speeds), MANY teams reverted back to using the 1969 cars which had proven themselves to be a formidable force and still were in 1970 as well.
Car geeks rejoice!
;D
Gawd, an All-American thread. No place for German or Italian or even Brit machines here.
Somewhere I have a picture of an AC Cobra taken in the pits at the Bridgehampton Raceway in '65 during the Vanderbilt Cup. That race also featured the Chapparal of Jim Hall.
American-powered road racers. Amazing...
Quote from: nicrosato on September 11, 2010, 08:32:54 AM
Gawd, an All-American thread. No place for German or Italian or even Brit machines here.
Somewhere I have a picture of an AC Cobra taken in the pits at the Bridgehampton Raceway in '65 during the Vanderbilt Cup. That race also featured the Chapparal of Jim Hall.
American-powered road racers. Amazing...
Well Nic....on the bright side, the Americans have some bragging rights here..doesn't look so good for them in the motorcycle arena :'( BTW, love the Cobra [thumbsup]
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 09, 2010, 08:11:49 PM
Car geeks rejoice!
;D
We are. That's what this thread is for apparently. [thumbsup]
Tonight's lesson/rambling: The A.C. Cobra. Started life as the A.C. Ace sports car in England. The A.C. company was nearly bankrupt (IIRC) and the weezing 4 cylinder engine that they put into the Ace simply wasn't enough. Carroll Shelby was on a biz trip to England for racing or something like that. Bought an A.C. Ace and had it shipped back to the States where he promptly re-powered that bugger with a proper 'K' code 289 Ford small block. The 'K' stood for the High-Performance engine which had solid lifters, better heads and was rated at 271bhp (crankshaft rated power BTW...).
The 'Cobra' was born...
Old Carroll sure was a wheeler and dealer back in the day!
I was lucky enough to meet him a number of years ago.
I found him to be a very cool guy. [thumbsup]
Well, I'm recovered from my trip to California and it's going to rain here in NY today, so no sailing. Therefore, I will dig out and scan some 45 year old photos of the Shelby Cobra.
Haven't found those 45-yr old black & white photos of the '65 Vanderbilt Cup yet.
The carb on the outboard engine on my sailboat got all fouled from sitting around a few weeks. Tough to work on it on the boat. Sunday, I hoisted it off the boat and dropped it off at the engine mechanic. In his shop he has this '56 Ford Thunderbird. It's been repainted and it runs, but it is not a fully restored piece. I believe he said it had a 312 V-8.
(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab295/nicasaurus/IMG00108-20100919-1708.jpg)
Sorry I couldn't get a full photo. Even though it's 54-yrs old, it's still a pretty design.
Ah yes... The 312 'Y' Block Ford V8. The largest of the 3 factory offerings for this engine. The other two being a 272 and a 292. Baddest, nastiest 312 was in the T-bird and (I believe) some Police equipped Fairlanes. Dual-Quads and a Blower were factory options... (I think...I know the blower was, the dual-quads maybe not so much...)
There were some 3x Duece equipped Y-blocks out of the box...
I've always loved the 1st gen 'Birds... [thumbsup]
Thread jack... on purpose...no guilt:
Jim D. left me a VM this eve about the moto "Cannonball Run" being in Abq. today. Sorry to talk about bikes on a motorcycle forum, but, did anyone other than him see the gathering here in town?
Wish I had known it was here....I would definitely have gone to view the entrants. I'll bet Egan (Gary...not Peter) would have been there if his health allows. I'll have to call him and see if he's on board, now that I know it's happening.
BTW....this is the perfect thread for a jacking. Let's jack!!!!!
QuoteThread jack... on purpose...no guilt:
QuoteBTW....this is the perfect thread for a jacking. Let's jack!!!!!
Thread jackoffs...
Quote from: nicrosato on September 22, 2010, 07:28:26 AM
Thread jackoffs...
When the car porn is good, there will always be thread jackoffs. ;D
For the record, I am not much of a car nerd.
Riding my Monster home from running errands yesterday, I pulled up at a light next to a restored Dodge Charger. I'm guessing it was something like a '69 to '71. A real old school muscle car, in that pukey metallic green and black. I made a muscle gesture, but the driver was simply too Jimmy-Dean cool, with wrap-around shades and his left hand dangling a cigarette out of the window, to glance over at me on my red Duc.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on September 09, 2010, 07:26:58 PM
Aaaahhh... Where to continue?!? Vintage Camaro's? The Mighty '69 ZL-1 all-aluminum big-block perhaps? The '61 Oldsmobile Turbocharged Jet-Fire all-aluminum V8 maybe? The '66 Buick Wildcat Gran-Sport maybe for the larger vehicle crowd?
Perhaps I should delve into the various differentiations between the many differing Ford V8 engines from the 1950's until the 1990's...
Maybe a historical look at the small-block Ford from 1962 until it's demise in 1998....
Aaaahhhhh!!! I know: The 1969 Ford Torino Talladega. 852 examples made it off the assembly line in 1969 and it was designed in a wind-tunnel for one purpose: NASCAR domination against the Super-Bird (and it was hugely successful too!) I've driven one BTW... [evil]
Street versions 'got by' with the 428CJ and SCJ engines and most were backed up to the venerable C6 automatic (as was the car I drove). Primary differences between the regular Torino and the Talladega were:
Side-skirt ground effects (they left the sheet metal seam below the doors 1/2" longer than on the other Torino's which was highly effective at speeds over 160mph).
A different front bumper (it was actually a rear bumper from the same car with some holes filled in and different mounting brackets)
The car sat about 1/2" lower than the standard Torino's too.
The engine that powered the NASCAR Talladega's was the BOSS429 engine which was actually homologated in the Mustang chassis for 1969 in the form of the Boss429 Mustang (obviously).
The combination of the aerodynamically modified Torino and the new BOSS429 engine proved to be a very winning combination for Ford in the 1969 NASCAR series. In fact, it was SO successful that in 1970 when the new body style Torino came out (and was an aerodynamic flop at high speeds), MANY teams reverted back to using the 1969 cars which had proven themselves to be a formidable force and still were in 1970 as well.
I have a buddy outside Calhan CO, his dad left him a junkyard. Pretty sure he had a Taladega in there. I remember because I knew they were rare. Didn't realize they were that rare. This is a great thread btw. and were the 302's in the Camaros originally used for Trans-am or Lemans series racing? I thought I remembed them being built for something big across the pond???
Hello Anson, how are You?. From what I can remember, the 302ci restriction was a NASCAR limit on production enteries, that lead to the birth of the Z28 engine. which was purpose built using a '69 327, large journal block, application specific forged crank with 3.0 stroke, heads were a modified version of the vette "camelback" with screw in valve studs and guide plates, a stout cam of 325/331 duration, .495/.510 lift, special "pink" rods, windage tray, etc. this turned into the LT1 in '70-72, which had a four bolt main block, improved heads and manifold, more cam, better exhaust. both ran 11.0:1 forged pistons and made in excess of 380hp, and were offered on the showroom, expecting 100,000 miles of operation!.... thats engineering.
After looking, it was actually a SCCA Trans Am rule that prompted the 302 rule.. look to PGHiggins.
Z28's were built for the SCCA Trans-Am series as you indicated KRJ... (BTW, the LT1 was 350cid and not a 302cid engine.)
Back to the purging of odd-ball Ford info from my head, here onto the intarwebz:
By 1993, the 'Fox' platformed Mustangs were getting a might long in the tooth. They hadn't undergone a body styling exercise since 1987 and even then...the '86's looked a lot like the '87s did. [roll] Ford knew they had to keep up the success of the Mustangs sales figures so the redesign needed to kick-ass. While, since they didn't have time (or $) to engineer a whole new chassis, Ford did a re-skin of the '93 Mustang for 1994. It's a substantial re-skin, but still...most all of the chassis parts didn't change.
To test fit the front-end onto a car for testing, Ford pulled 7 silver 5.0 coupes off the end of the assembly line and took them to a shop where they mated the front ends to the new 1994's onto the 1993's. These odd-ball 1/2 breeds ran around the motor city for several months (I've seen them in person BTW) doing testing, R&D, etc... Then, (the rumor I heard was) Ford actually sold them off to the public. :o Crazy, eh?
Ford also produced a 1985 Escort Wagon Turbo with a 5-speed. They produced exactly 1 of those. It was blue with a blue interior, sold to and special ordered by Jack Roush.
Per my conversation with Duck-Stew about obscure auto marques, here is the Griffith: http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/1966-griffith.cfm (http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/1966-griffith.cfm)
I grew up in Plainview and remember going to the factory and seeing a plaid (!) Griffith in the show room.