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Title: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Got Duc on September 20, 2010, 01:16:42 AM
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7677077 (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7677077)

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Police have made an arrest in a deadly hit and run accident in Manhattan on Sunday afternoon.

The accident happened just after 5:00 at West Street and Canal Street.

The 27-year-old victim was riding a 2009 Ducati motorcycle northbound on West Street when a maroon colored Nissan traveling eastbound on Canal Street hit him. The Nissan kept going.

The victim was taken to Beth Israel hospital where he was pronounced dead.
Police later arrested a 25-year-old woman. Charges were pending.

Names of the victim and the suspect were not released.

(Copyright ©2010 WABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Grrrly on September 20, 2010, 03:03:07 AM
looks like it was a red Monster.

prayers to his family, as well as the woman arrested in his death.

(http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/lower-manhattan-hit-and-run.jpg?w=420)


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: CDawg on September 20, 2010, 04:57:04 AM
Hope it wasn't anyone on this board...RIP


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: CDawg on September 20, 2010, 04:58:11 AM
They caught the guy:
"A maroon Nissan driven by Naisha Sutten, 25, of the Bronx, going east on Canal Street, clipped the victim's 2009 Ducati, heading north on West Street, at 5:10 p.m.., cops said."
Sutten allegedly fled the scene, but surrendered at the 75th Precinct in Brooklyn a few hours later. WCBS 2 says that she was charged with driving without a license, "leaving the scene of an accident and making an improper left turn."


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Howie on September 20, 2010, 05:41:13 AM
RIP Ducati rider :'(

Be careful out there folks!


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Pakhan on September 20, 2010, 05:53:57 AM
Without knowing the details of the accident, it's hard to say who or how much fault there is.  Too often I've read about cases like this where the driver at fault walks off with some type of moving violation.  I hope the sentencing is appropriate.

RIP


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: beancounter on September 20, 2010, 09:38:12 AM
This is horrible...

How will sentencing ever be appropriate?  I don't think the law is tough enough against drivers who willfully and recklessly endanger the lives of other people.  A life was needlessly lost.

RIP


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Pakhan on September 20, 2010, 11:14:06 AM
Appropriate according to the letter of the law, I'm not talking about what we think is appropriate.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: slickb0i on September 20, 2010, 03:12:59 PM
Damn man, this is really sad. RIP and prayers to his family.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: beancounter on September 20, 2010, 03:47:17 PM
Appropriate according to the letter of the law, I'm not talking about what we think is appropriate.

I'm with you.  We have to vote in more moto friendly legislators...


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: ducatiz on September 20, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
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The 27-year-old victim, identified as Ronen Katz, was struck and killed on West and Canal street in TriBeCa around 5 p.m. Sunday. He was rushed to Beth Israel Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

My cousin (i didn't know him well, but i knew his sister)

 :(

ברוך דין האמת

he was one of the REALLY good ones.

http://creativity-found.org/legacy-prize/entry/ronen-katz/ (http://creativity-found.org/legacy-prize/entry/ronen-katz/)
http://dnainfo.com/20100920/downtown/bronx-woman-arrested-connection-with-deadly-canal-st-hitandrun (http://dnainfo.com/20100920/downtown/bronx-woman-arrested-connection-with-deadly-canal-st-hitandrun)

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/sfb111/story_xlimage_2010_09_R718_Canal_Street_Hit_and_Run_92010.jpg)


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: ducatiz on September 20, 2010, 03:59:03 PM
 [bang]  [bang]  [bang]  [bang]  [bang]

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TRIBECA — Before Naisha Sutton fled the scene of a fatal TriBeCa accident on Sunday afternoon, she got out of her car and looked at the motorcyclist she had just hit, her lawyer said Monday.

The motorcyclist, Ronen Katz, 27, was seriously injured and would soon be pronounced dead at Beth Israel Hospital.

But at that moment he was still alive, Sutton, who is 25 and has a learner’s permit but no license, "observed the individual lying on the ground" at Canal and West Streets, said Howard Simmons, Sutton’s defense attorney, during her arraignment on Monday.
Bronx Woman Arrested in Deadly Canal St. Hit-and-RunRonen Katz, 27, was killed while riding his motorcycle in TriBeCa on Sunday. (The Creativity Foundation)

Sutton then got back in her maroon Nissan Sedan and took off before police could arrive, he said.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Grrrly on September 20, 2010, 04:33:23 PM
 :'(  sad that we lost such a beautiful person.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Pakhan on September 20, 2010, 04:52:33 PM
 :(


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Got Duc on September 21, 2010, 02:40:23 AM
Ronen Katz - RIP


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Howie on September 21, 2010, 04:03:47 AM
My cousin (i didn't know him well, but i knew his sister)

 :(

ברוך דין האמת

he was one of the REALLY good ones.



Oh man, so sorry to hear, Izaak.  I read the Post article maybe 20 minutes ago.  So much sadder when the victim becomes real. 

Though I don't practice, for Ronan, family and freinds
ברוך דין האמת

Accident happen.  We need to live with that.  No license, illegal turn and hit and run is not an accident.



Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: ducatiz on September 21, 2010, 04:11:46 AM
Oh man, so sorry to hear, Izaak.  I read the Post article maybe 20 minutes ago.  So much sadder when the victim becomes real. 

Though I don't practice, for Ronan, family and freinds
ברוך דין האמת

Accident happen.  We need to live with that.  No license, illegal turn and hit and run is not an accident.

it's really sad.  he was one of those guys everyone liked.  i only met him a few times at big family gatherings and he always smiled and played with the kids.  i wasn't surprised when they moved to NY because Tamar (his sister) ice skates competitively and there isn't much of that in Israel, plus Ronan was already living in NY after college.. he had only been there less than a year when we left and i never got the chance to spend much time with him. 

he was very active in raising money for disabled children's charities.   it is crazy how many things he was involved in.

such a loss.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: GLantern on September 21, 2010, 04:56:40 AM
Horrible  :'(


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: ducatiz on September 21, 2010, 06:14:42 AM
I am still fuming about this.  I feel so bad for his family.

He was one of the brightest stars, and the idiot who killed him was slightly more than pondscum.  If he had lived, there is little doubt he would have made the lives of so many people better -- he was only 27 and was already winning recognition for the charity work he was doing.  Giving his time and life to people, only to be mowed down by someone who won't do as much good in their whole life as he would do in a month.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: seinovesei on September 23, 2010, 06:37:50 AM
Ugh this stuff makes me livid!

I dont know the facts of this accident, but hearing about someone dying like this makes me think of all the "close-calls" I have with idiot drivers not obeying the law or not being aware. Who do we talk to to make people more aware and to make laws that can reduce risk.

We need to stop letting young people drive these big cars, both engine and body, with so little experience.  I cant believe that we give driver's license away to people so easily in this country.  In other countries, the course is much more involved, and the qulaifications and test are more strict.  I know this may never change, but what can we do?

RIP


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: ducatiz on September 23, 2010, 07:34:30 AM
We need to stop letting young people drive these big cars, both engine and body, with so little experience.  I cant believe that we give driver's license away to people so easily in this country.  In other countries, the course is much more involved, and the qulaifications and test are more strict.  I know this may never change, but what can we do?

That has nothing to do with it, the driver here had no driver license. 

As far as what can we do? besides requiring cars to only turn on when a licensed driver is in the seat, and requiring annual driver testing and making it a death-penalty case, there isn't much deterrence.  So she gets fined a few hundred dollars for making an illegal turn, and failure to maintain a safe lookout.  Ronan is dead.

I can't explain the irony of his death, especially right after Yom Kippur, but it is so full of sad irony.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: herm on September 23, 2010, 01:46:09 PM
I am sorry for your families loss Izaak..


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: seinovesei on September 24, 2010, 07:18:13 AM
That has nothing to do with it, the driver here had no driver license. 

As far as what can we do? besides requiring cars to only turn on when a licensed driver is in the seat, and requiring annual driver testing and making it a death-penalty case, there isn't much deterrence.  So she gets fined a few hundred dollars for making an illegal turn, and failure to maintain a safe lookout.  Ronan is dead.

I can't explain the irony of his death, especially right after Yom Kippur, but it is so full of sad irony.

Well I had mentioned I don't know the facts of what happened exactly, so my statements were more generalized about how I feel about inexperienced drivers and how I feel the license-giving bodies are too lenient with requirements.  Further, the fact that she had no license just goes to show you that she even lacked that experience, however minimal, required by the state of NY.

What you go on to say, I agree with totally, I just don't know how technologically feasible having a car turn on only with a licensed driver is.  Further, when the requirements to drive a car are so minimal, I dont think that the license is a strong enough weapon.  Does anyone know of any organizations that deal with motor-vehicle laws in NY or, even more specifically, deal with motorcycle awareness.  I am so unifmormed about anything in this field, that I don't even know where to begin.

Its sad that she will probably get away with this with just a slap on the wrists.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Pakhan on September 24, 2010, 10:24:23 AM
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Does anyone know of any organizations that deal with motor-vehicle laws in NY or, even more specifically, deal with motorcycle awareness.

Best answer I can give:

http://www.nymstf.org/ (http://www.nymstf.org/)


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: rockaduc on September 28, 2010, 12:40:35 AM
looks like it was a red Monster.

prayers to his family, as well as the woman arrested in his death.


REALLY?!?!?!?!  I am NOT sending any prayers her way.  MAKETHEBEASTWITHTWOBACKS HER.  I hope they give her the chair.


Title: Re: Thoughts and prayers I hope you all are safe
Post by: Grrrly on September 28, 2010, 01:04:19 AM
when I wrote that none of the facts were public.  I didn't know that she had stopped and got out of her vehicle, saw him laying on the ground then jumped in and took off.

Regardless, two families will be affected by her stupid decisions, and the world is worst off loosing such a beautiful person in Ronen's death.  I sincerely doubt she woke up that morning thinking, "I'm going to go kill someone today".



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