Ducati Monster Forum

Hi guys, I got a pair of s2r1k forks and bought the
Matris F05R cartridge kits for the forks. but when I try to install them,
I face a big problem I notice the internals are not even long enough
to tighten up with the fork cap.

I will need to OVERLY stretch the top-out spring to maybe bolt them on.
Anyone has any idea???
or has anyone faced this problem before? or personally installed them before?


I will have pics to follow up


All help are greatly appreciated,
Eric

Those cartridges are not made for the S2R 1000 forks.  :-[

thought they are for s4r? and they are the same forks except the Tin sliders?

Monstermash did the same with his s2r1k while back?
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/monsters-sale/191898-07-s2r1k-tons-mods-great-deal.html (http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/monsters-sale/191898-07-s2r1k-tons-mods-great-deal.html)
hi sent his forks to Jason at Department of Suspension
 
so I am thinking maybe someone knows a bit detail?

I doubt his cartridges was the F05R. His have the red adjusters and I think they were another model. Yours have gold adjusters, right? If so, I believe they are for S2R800, 620 and some other models.

I'm saying this after searching for Matris cartridges on CarpiMoto.com. Only hit is the F05R as mentioned - nothing other than steering dampers for the S2R1000. They might very well have offered something like 'Mash's cartridges earlier, but they were probably not the F05R.

I might be wrong, let's hope so....

Sorry, I mixed up the R with the S.

The R is not offered anymore. As far as I can tell, they were never made for the S2R100 - only S4R or similar.

Again, let's hope I'm wrong.... (

The "Bellisimoto" site does show the FO5R for the S2R/S4R. They even have pics of Monstermash's ride. Mm would be the one to talk to or contact Bellisimoto and see if they can help.(If you are in the states.) Please keep us informed, as I would like to do go this route if I ever win the lottery.

I purchased from Randy at bellisimoto. but
he has no idea has of now. so I am outsourcing:(

Wait...

You bought these from a vendor here, whom you contacted about the incorrect fitment, and "he has no idea" ?

nono, don't mean to stain bellissimoto,
bcuz for the fork cartridges are order directly from matris
so Randy only process the order, he does not know if they sent the wrong thing or not. and it's hard for him to see if it's the right or wrong one. therefore I was hoping someone has knowledge of this issue.

before I send it back for replacement.

heres the pics.

(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1593&g2_serialNumber=1)

to get the cap to close you have to compress the spring put the spring spacer on and close the cap. At that point you have very little fork travel left.

 :-\

? with the fork tube fully bottomed out you still cant reach the rod, if your wondering that, even if you fight the top out spring.

i want there to be a good answer.  kind of stinks the vendor didn't know, but that's kind of the way low-volume items sometimes go.


to OP, if you are looking to "get it done", consider returning the cartridges, and sending forks to Traxxion for their cartridges, they'll do the install for you.

Im sure im just missing something. It cant be this bad that Eric has spent  so much time and money to get his forks done that this is the way its going to end.

The other option would be to find which Ducati forks those DO fit, grab those, and adjust triples if needed, assemble and go.

It would fit just fine if I chope the top of the fork tube like an inch
but I dont know if there would be enough thread left to lock tight the cap. and how much it would change the riging position.

e.

Are those forks actually from a Supersport? IIRC, those forks were longer.

these are s2r 1k forks. should be same length as the SC forks. as i compared them side to side

The fork tube itself of an S2R1000 has the same part # as the (desmoquatro) S4R fork tube.
Internally they're different though. How that relates to the length issues is beyond me.

Matris in Italy, MatrisUSA and CarpiMoto don't mention a cartridge for the S2R1000.
However, I think they all list the F05R for the S4R (which year and edition is unclear to me)

If it doesn't fit OR in fact is made for your bike - money back should be no problem (?)

How are they different internally?  i thought the difference between the S4R and S2R1000 forks were just the lining on the stanchion.

All S4R models are the same were they not? Radial brakes were only featured on the Testastretta Monsters. not the DEsmoquattros.

Correct. Only on S4Rt and S4RS - noting that the 999's only got radial brakes on the later years as well

Well if these arent for the S4R, then its not for a ducati. because every other fork design is longer, except for the non adjustables, wich have a different size bolt holding the cartrdige in place.

Don't know. I'm just observing different internal part numbers.


I think they are (, but not for the S2R1000)

Part numbers hardly mean anything. The clutch pack for ducati are different models for various models, but they all fit each other. i think they do it just to keep track of manufacturers, dates, where they come from etc.

FYI, the only 999's that had radial brakes also had ohlins forks (749r/999s/999r)

All 43mm Monster Adjustable Showas are essentially the same internally, other than:
Different springs, different valving depending on a lot of things.

Desmoquattro S4 and S4R forks are essentially the same, other than S4R have TiN coating.

M900 and S2R1k forks have the dual-rate springs.
Valving is different too.

-----------EDIT------------------

S4Rt Showas with the radial mount calipers may be different internally.

Well,

I still cannot understand why the Matris cartridges that fit the S4R cannot fit the forks of the S2R 1000 since they seem to be exactly the same minus the TIN coating on the stanchions.

That said, I think we need to verify that you actually received the correct fork cartridges for the S4R and that some Italian wasn't drinking the vino when he boxed yours up.

If they are correct, then perhaps it is time to talk to Jason at DOS (if he is still alive), or MonsterMash, or perhaps to purchase S4R forks to place them inside.

I wish I was more familiar with Matris cartridges, or suspension internals in general, but at least I'm working on the latter as me and my parts manager will be attending a 2 day technical training at Bitubo's headquarters this November.

MatrisUSA????

Where did they come from?

Matris hasn't even told me about that happening... perhaps you could call them?

http://www.matrisusa.com/ (http://www.matrisusa.com/)

LMAO [laugh]

I still have to find out the model of the kits I actually received. and
Not sure if there's any model number on the kits or if you can record of it？ I have the instruction papers, they said ducati s4r. but the graphs on it demonstrated on a s4rs forks. not sure if that's mistake or they just generic forks as demonstration but does not mean it's for the forks illustrated on it.

I've amended my previous post:http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43547.msg783936#msg783936

Perhaps that kit is for S4Rt.

I just pulled up the invoice from Matris for your forks Eric,

Part number is listed as FD102R (F05R / Kit Fork Monster S4R).

That said, it should be correct and that means it is time to contact someone at Matris (of Italy) technical department.

Ohh and Matrisusa.com - that's a joke.

I tried calling them and they told me that they have been the exclusive US importer of Matris products for the past 2.5 years...

You should have heard the surprise in her voice when she found out we have also been receiving Matris product, directly from Matris for the past 3 years (and that our prices are better)!

Life, you just have to love it.

just because the part is listed as correct doesnt mean they sent you the right one.

i bought clip ons once and the box came with one 50mm and one 53mm.

I guess ur only choice is to hit them up directly, though thats not an easy task if they dont speak english.

i remember that.