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Hunted around, don't think this is a derby. Official Diavel video.

2011 NEW Ducati Diavel 1200 official video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5vQUipphko&feature=player_embedded#normal)

Hell for leather has a new write-up as well.
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/ducati-diavel-bad-to-the-bone/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/ducati-diavel-bad-to-the-bone/)

Oh my God! It's even uglier when it's in motion!!! My eyes!!! [puke] [laugh]

where's the shot of it doing a wheelie?!

Maybe this thread should have a NSFW label. I wouldn't want anybody seeing me watching it.  [laugh]

Me neither. Ugh... [bang] Ugly is as ugly does. :P

yeah yeah yeah..  a VMAX assmake the beast with two backsed an ST while watching Harley porn.

When the Multistrada initial pics came out people thought it was fugly too - now everybody seems to love that bike.  Time will tell on the Diavel.

looks and price aside, I'd have to ride one to know if I like it or not...

the new version yes.  the old version proved itself thru function, not form.  same as the 999. 

I liked the Strada from the onset.

or a burnout?  I'd take either...

Now that I've seen it in motion and (somewhat) in 3d...  I'm not a fan of the looks.  Maybe in person it'll shine....

That F*&kin' headlight just RUINS it for me on any Duc, or any bike for that matter.  Although it may be my own aversion to the dentists office and the hours spent as a wee-lad staring at the damned light with my mouth full of gauze trying to mumble anything intelligible.   

I must say that the mirrors are attractive.

(insert sound of crickets)

Damn, I must have some secret fetish for Harley Porn.  I kind of like it.

The Diavel definitely is different than the rest of the lineup.  But it doesn't seem half as bad as the initial shock.  I would agree with Smilingbear on this one.  People freaked out about the MS1200; freaked out about the StreetFighter, freaked out about Monster 696.  Time will tell, I guess.  

i kinda like it

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That F*&kin' headlight just RUINS it for me on any Duc, or any bike for that matter.  Although it may be my own aversion to the dentists office and the hours spent as a wee-lad staring at the damned light with my mouth full of gauze trying to mumble anything intelligible.   
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  [clap] having just returned from getting a crown I'd say you nailed it!

I like it, maybe its my age
Don

I like it also.  I think I'd rather ride one of those than a Harley.

I want to see its size as compared to a VRod or XL
it seems large in video/photos
but I can't see Ducati making something that non-nimble

Anyway, I had posted my thoughts on this video on the Diavel thread.
in the end, my opinion of the video production  [thumbsdown]

Yeah, but you ride a Harley.  :P

to me...it looks like he is wrestling it around the turns...just makes me wonder how well it really handles...maybe some journo's with integrity and an honest "I don't give a flying make the beast with two backs about what the manufacturer wants me to write about this pile of shit" will tell us something earnest in regards to whether it actually is a problem or not.

I'm not a fan of this kind of bike.  But, keep in mind that we are not the target group for this bike.  Ducati is
attempting to appeal to a different set of motorcyclists with this bike.  So, in that sense, it doesn't matter what we Monster fans think.  Would someone interested in a Vmax or a V-Rod find this bike attractive?  I couldn't say, that phase of our sport no longer appeals to me. 

well...I assume it will be put in a head to head with a Suzuki M109R, the V-Rod, the V-Max, the Rocket III Roadster, and maybe some other power cruiser offerings that I am not thinking of...

Can anyone place what city the video was shot in?  I didn't recognize it.

mitt

Milano.

They stole the side scoops off the Buell 1125 CR!

Someone needs to tell that guy to drop his elbow and get more into the correct position.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1440/5138146240_c46debbbeb_b.jpg)

First thought ....reminds me of something....

(http://www.frontiernet.net/~patrickp/WPAFB/F-4/f4-front.jpg)


Second thought....it also reminds me of a pig...




Third thought....I think the pilots of the F-4 used to refer to them as pigs.....humm....interesting....


[cheeky]

ick.

whoever ok'd that design needs punched in the cake hole

Its not really a cruiser:  no forward controls.

neither does the V-Max, the Rocket II Roadster, and I have seen ( not sure if they were modded or what) M109R's with no forward controls...

Hmmm...I guess I never looked too long at a VMax, but the Rocket III and M109R have forward controls.

Surely, there are no motorcycles uglier than the VMax.

m109r that was traded in at our shop definitely has forward controls. and weighs soooo much its a two person pusher.

have you seen these asymmetrical things bmw is making?

not the Rocket III "Roadster" http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/2010_RocketIIIRoadster_Gallery_2010RocketIIIRoadster.aspx (http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/2010_RocketIIIRoadster_Gallery_2010RocketIIIRoadster.aspx)

or at least, I don't think of those as being forward...

and the M109R I saw, as I said, I wasn't sure if it was stock or not, but having just looked at Suzuki's website....this one didn't have those controls, so now I know it wasn't stock....also had different pipes...so that makes sense...

It will be interesting to see if they bring it to Australia in it's current form, as I could see it struggling to make it through ADR certification with the current rear brake light/Indicator light setup, The rules for distance between indicators for the rear of a bike could throw a spanner in the works.

Australia is a big market for the cruiser companies, so I would be very surprised if the local Importer would not be in Italy at this very moment with lips firmly pressed against many bum cheeks trying to get this bike to Australia as fast as he can. (Per Capita, we are 2nd only to the USA for number of cruiser style bikes sold according to Harley)

Because the rest of the Ducati range is selling in Australia (Albeit slower than they would like, according to the Dealers I keep in touch with) This would give them access to a whole generation of Baby Boomers with Cash in hand.

M109R headlight, SV tail lights, VMAX air intakes...
Still, I like Ducati mixing it up. I'm sure it's going to be in the Multi price range though.
The bike weighs 460 (dry) pounds, I think if he's wrestling with it, it might be the length. My S2R is 56.7 inches and this is 62.6. Just looks long to me.
Of coarse this has more than twice the hp of my little 800.

I am ashamed to say I like it  :-\

the 240 series extra wide rear tire makes turn in slower/harder which also makes a huge difference...

now, the question is this...with the Ducati Performance catalog offer a replacement rim for a 300 series tire like what most guys put on bikes in that marketing segment?

Omg

This whole conversation makes me feel icky

A 300 wheel?

In the DP catalog?

<shiver>

[puke]

Let's think about this.

Average Monster owner:  loves the SF, loves the HMT, loves the SBK, likes the Multi...

They are going for a whole new demographic.

I don't care for it, but I hope it works, cause I like the company even though I might be suing them over the tanks...  [roll]

Think about Ducati's history -- they haven't always down pure sport bikes.  And the Indiana wasn't the only cruiser-like bike they ever made (although it was the most "american")

My 500GTL runs great

(http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2004%5C10%5C12%5Cbikepics-226990-320.jpg)

Bet a 300 rear would look great on that bad boy

;)

Just put a truck tire on it

imagine the uproar when the trike version comes out!  [cheeky]

What does everyone think about the color choices?  The carbon scheme looks good, the white is OK, but the red with white/silver intakes look like the bike got spares from the junkyard.

for the red, the sides should either be black, carbon, or red.

the white isn't as obvious so no need to change, in fact, black or carbon would make the sides too obvious

the carbons are what they are. it downplays the heaviness of the front end.

I truly believe the back end on this bike is too short, to abrupt. it makes the whole think look like a bull dog on steriods... not so pretty (bulldog lovers don't hate me for lumping the bike with them or saying bulldogs are ugly)

french bulldogs are ugly.

and stupid

I have nothing to add until I see it and possibly ride it. 

I have two French Bulldogs  :'(

Not decided on the bike.  Doesn't appeal to me visually, but I bet it will attract more riders to Ducati from other markets.  I just hope it doesn't influence the design of some of their other bikes.

Why Marzocchi Forks ?

It does look like a V-Rod to me.

Looks kind of cheap in the pictures for a Carbon example that is suppose to cost $20,000.

How does a 240 rear tire handle compared to a 190 ..... (on a longer wheelbase than most Ducs) not as well I wouldn't think !

Dolph        :)

$$$ if I had to guess....


slower turn in....look at what a bike does (and feels like) difference wise between a 180 and a 190 profile...now imagine it as a 240...hence why I asserted (earlier in this thread)that the rider in the video is muscling the bike around the turns...

Marzocchi doesn't just make crap forks, it is just what we are used to when we see that name. The EVO SP Hypers have outstanding Marzocchis, and the Marzocchi works fork is fantastic too. I'm sure there are high quality Showas, but most of the Marz's and Sho's are budget-oriented supply.

Marzocchi forks were the standard for Ducati superbikes in the 70s and 80s.  Part of the reason for the move to Showas was due to the onslaught of Japanese bikes coming into the US with them and the public's familiarity with them.

Marzocchi's race forks are PHENOMENAL and expensive

Then why Jerry so many MOTOGP bikes running Ohlins ?

Dolph     :)

cause they make some unobtanium even moreso superfantastically phenominal and uber OMFG expensive....

Sponsorship  ;)

Well it depends, despite what some have posted, it's the front tire and of course the overall geometry that will affect turn-in, the rear tire will mostly affect your ability to hold the chosen line in the turn, typically a fat tire bike will try to stand-up in the turns and you the rider have to prevent it from doing that by keeping the pressure on the bars. So that is the short story, but the truth is there are more factors involved and in reality we won't really know until we ride one. Now if you believe well placed Ducati types they will tell you that the rear has more of a v profile and is in fact just a wider sport bike tire, looking at the videos and still pictures I've seen it would appear they are right. Now that and the weight of the wheels could make all the difference in the world. If you doubt that go ride a Victory Jackpot and then ride a Hammer S. Me I'm optimistic that the bike is going to handle more like a Ducati and less like a cruiser, although there are some cruisers that have more handling than most can use. - Just MHO - Gene

Ducati is welcome to send me one to test here in the mountains.  I'll test sweepers and all day ridability on the BRP and I'll test it in the tight stuff over at Deals Gap.  I'll report back for everyone to know.  I'll give up a few weekends for that  [laugh]

JM

there are two factors that really turn me off on the bike the more i look at it...

price. of course a 848 version around 4k less would alleviate that

rear end. the lack of anything after the passenger seat is uncomfortable for the wife. she won't like it. it's too abbreviated. kinda like the old Caddies with the cut trunks.


I really think the Ducati designers are on crack though.
they haven't created a smooth flowing complete looking bike since the SBK replaced the 999 (and IMO the 999 was a complete smooth bike, just not in the vein of the 916). I'm kinda scared what they'll dream up on the next gen SBK.

I love my bike...
but...
Monster (continuity in design- split cast frame)
MTS (horrible front end and no flow to front sides, wierd exhausts - split  cast frame)
Diavel (bulldog ugly looks- split cast frame)
HM (derivative style that added too much 'weight' to the look )

Ducati is hitting homeruns due to marketing and motors, but the style is lacking passion.

Motors
150hp now 164 hp 11 deg Testastretta... 4 riding modes, etc. cool update to the 4v
100hp now for 2v Monster... the target of sooo many aftermarket builds

marketing
MTS vs GS... hit the field winner with as much HP and tech as possible
Diavel... remains to be seen, but this is a real contender to the VMax-VRod scene
Monster... fresh update with much improved out of the box handling
HM... Ducati is making a motard?!

honestly, Ducati will continue to grow and that's great. I hope it helps some of those dealers in trouble as well. Though the engineers are hitting on all cylinders, Ducati really needs to get some new Industrial Designers for the style of the bikes.

I think you're onto something Raux.  Bring back the 999  ;D

That video make the beast with two backsing sucked. I sure hope they didn't pay someone to make that.

form following function - split frame on d16s, migrating towards no frame at all.  its about go more than show.

kinda my point though. i'd rather have a complete design that half and half.

but the design is half and half, you want it both steel? that would be heavier with no advantage

not really what I mean.

more along the lines of

the tubular steel mainframe with a tubular steel or aluminum subframe

or a cast composite mainframe with a cast composite subframe

I like it. 

Perhaps the perception that the rider is muscling it are those wide handlebars?

It's one of the few bikes I'll try to demo ride when it comes around.

that and he's a teensy weensy eye-talian.

This thread makes me sleepy. ;D All I really want is a KTM 690 SMC... this thread does not compute.

I do like the Hyper mirrors.  I'll see the real thing this Thursday in Dallas, please look better in person [thumbsup]

HAHHAHAHAHAAA...no you don't...you want a Husquavarna 610SMR...

I stand corrected, it looks better in person than I thought but still needs a few mods  :-X

You mean the KTM 690 SMC? Well duh... mods! [laugh] This is the KTM Supermoto thread... right? [moto]

oh yeah.......