Ducati Monster Forum

The new Monster 1100 evo - back to proper styling.  I like this, may have to trade the S2R 1000..... [moto]

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2011-ducati-monster-1100evo-preview (http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2011-ducati-monster-1100evo-preview)

Sounds good.  I might have to scrounge a test ride for comparison purposes.

Found a drawback - fuel tank = 13.5L to my current 15L (13 usable)

Whats a L???  ;D

Found a drawback - fuel tank = 3.56G to my current 3.95G  (3.43 usable)

meh that is not a drawback that is a challenge - if I can ride my S2R to the Island and back averaging 20km/litre (or 56.5mpg for those other folk  ;D) I am sure the new bike could do it!! ;D

where'd the rest of it go?   or did they just measure it with the fuel pump in?

Bigger airbox?

I can't imagine they'ld make something like the tank different, unless they HAD to

Litres. 

My owners manual quotes a 15 Litre tank that I have only ever been able to squeeze 13 litres into (I'm assuming other 2 litres keeps the fuel pump happy).  I have managed to go 250 kms on that 13 litres without running out so not sure how far I can really go.

Here in Australia those extre Litres and km do make a huge difference if you're travelling in far flung places with fuel stations few and far between.

And I for one do not like pushing my beast very far cos it's heavy goddammit.  ;D

Bike sounds good!

Butt ugly exhaust though [puke]

I bet as we speak the after market exhaust companies are hard at work designing their wears (if they haven't already)

yeah pushed 240km with reserve light on - that was 12 litres.
especially the back roads of country Vic around Edenhope, Mortlake etc.  ;D

yeah agree there Vossy - I am sure there would be a sexy Termi or Zard system not far away!  Or maybe a modern update on the 2-1 system like my old Pantah had - Verlicchi exhaust that was loud as frak!!  [laugh]

Yes I have been stuck for fuel at Mortlake at 10 o'clock at night because the servo shuts at 9pm.  [bang] [bang]

Fuel stops round here are woeful, more so if you don't want to hang around the major highways. I've even had to drop into a farm to beg fuel cos the town's only fuel station had shut down years ago.  That was back in the days when I believed that little orange light would only let me get another 30kms.  I'm older and wiser now (hopefully  [roll])  [laugh]

Im down to 100km per tank now!


...... definitely not a fan of that modern style monster headlight

..... Also..... why are they still choosing to make the 2V monster as opposed to the more powerful, more torquey 4Vs?

The ABS steals 1.5 Liters  >:(

100km per tank?? WTF?? wow I am shocked if that is the fuel consumption!  Another reason why I love my 2V!  ;D

I love a 2V.  Not a fan of 4V, but bearing in mind the only 4V Monster I have ridden is an S4 and that was boring as a dial tone.  ;D

right right.  I forgot about that, because I think it's a silly "feature".  I'm happy to have a one of the last ducatis without abs or dtc

Cant say that I am convinced ... it seems the Monster has gone from a 'style icon' to a 'sales icon'.

Sure it has slightly more power, slightly less weight and the safety gear which will appeal to some (and probably save many others) but all bikes evolve. However, it is other things which are questionable (or un-Monster-like) ... the half trellis (sorry still can't come to turms with that) ... the exhaust from a power cruiser ... no compression damping available on the rear (although the blurb mention 3 times about the perfect balance in the suspension) ... apparently, a continually worsening fuel range ... and a wet clutch.

So the question becomes ... why would you not look at something else?

Oh and one more thing ... they keep going on about the 'less is more' concept ... but they have added in a whole heap of complicated electronics.

Easy!

Because stock must be bad for us to have any fun and challenge to make it good.

(full exhaust, aftermarket subframe (soon), a.s.o.)

aftermarket subframe?

Interesting concept and definitely in line with this forum (so I don't disagree) ... but that was not really what I was suggesting - is there a reason for the broader market?

Very few of us Monster-modifying nutcases have actually opted to change to the 'new-style' Monsters from the 'old-style' ... so there can't be a very compelling case there either.

Sometimes I try the 180 degree approach - let's hope there is no reason for the "broader"/boring market. If so, Ducati gets a punch in their face and a lesson in how not to change their best selling model.

I'm not holding my breath though, because the new line has been selling well (yes?) and it is a better bike. I think it doesn't come close to the old style cool'ness, but that doesn't really matter to Ducati and their next customer....



Since it is one of the most questionable changes, it should only be a matter of time before it's made. 8)
I would be very surprised if people like DucStew and MotoCreations haven't already thought about it.

valid points Betty - I think that what Ducati is evolving to do more and more is compete with the Japanese manufacturers. The half trellis, weight saving.  The exhaust from power cruiser, manufacturing cost. Suspension and wet clutch would be manufacturing costs again.  Also the engine being better and probably extending service times again (common complaint with Ducatis both 2 and 4 valve).
I think Ducati are doing that with the 1100evo evidenced by the return of the single sided swing arm.  Remember the 999?  Well I think the Monster1100 lost some styling with the swing arm and exhaust, and decided to go back to the design of the S2R/S4R as they were probably better selling models.  I honestly haven't seen a single Monster 1100 floating around Adelaide - actually seen more Streetfighters than new 1100!  So maybe sales aren't that great, thus the (re)design changes...

I had talked briefly with Mark about a tubular subframe replacement, but I believe he found not enough of a market to bother with it.  

Radical Ducati in Spain had also discussed the possibility of creating a subframe replacement (to use their tank/seat combo), but it's the kind of project where very few people may adopt, so there's little incentive to build the jigs/tooling/etc to build only a handful (if that many).  Someone needs to guinea pig it before it will really happen, i think.

I had also heard that a european company had been toying around with a sedici-themed carbon subframe/integrated seat, but that was over a year ago, and all has been quiet from them since.  

I'm sure it will happen eventually through one of two of these channels, but I think it's a ways down the line.

I hope this new Monster with the wet clutch doesn't mean the end of A Dry Clutch Monster.

Surely not.

That is certainly the way it seems. If they have really thought about it, they will have designed it in a way that a dry clutch kit can be added/used similar to the one available for the 848 ... everybody wins that way.

Hang on Betty, that's too logical.

hope you're right though.

Sorry Betty the new 848 are wet clutch - I can hear a death knell for the dry clutch Monster - only way you will get close is a Streetfighter!

Yes but you can get a dry clutch conversion kit for the 848:

http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-848-dry-slipper-clutch-conversion-kit-p-4126.html (http://www.ducatiperformance.com/ducati-848-dry-slipper-clutch-conversion-kit-p-4126.html)

I didnt know that - cheers!  Expensive bit of kit really!

I thought it was actually not too bad considering you get a slipper clutch and the kit includes the clutch housing and everything.

Yep that's pretty good pricing.
I know what a slipper can cost.

ah but when you consider the dry clutches were a factory standard on the high end Monsters then it does become a bit of expensive kit.  That money could go to exhaust or other bling!  ;D