Ducati Monster Forum

Hi All..

Here's my dilemma.. I have a dealer that will sell me a brand new 2009 696 Dark for $7,000 out the door with tax, tag, title, etc.. Keep in mind that includes the warranty for 2 years.

Then I found a used one that I could pick up for $6k.  It has the fender elimination kit, and a smaller sprocket.. (and those cool rims with the red pinstripe).  This one has 2,900 miles on it..


Here are some thoughts.. The 2009 is going to need an oil change soon, and it's 1100 service.. This could really push the cost at the end of 30 days up, and I have to deal with the break in period.. The used one has a warranty of over a year as well...

What would you do?

Thanks!

Jeff

what year is the used one? is it up to date with its services? Keep in mind that the new one will also have to be serviced at its proper intervals which will add to the cost in the long run.
i say go with the newer one from the dealer as if there are an issues with it they will be taken care of.

Giving up on your s2r800 that fast?

I'd get the new one.

First service is 600 miles, next service is 7500 miles. First service is anywhere from $150-250 according to other posts.  I paid $180. 

You may be close to getting new tires on the used bike too....something to think about. 

I would go new to be safe, never know what someone else did to the bike, longer warranty, and dealer relationship that could help you in the future.  Maybe ask for the first service to be included or discounted, or ask for a discount on upgrades you would purchase such as the fender eliminator. 

I know my dealer has treated me well in this area.  I was offered discounts on riding gear and upgrades with initial purchase and I now have a relationship with them that they still offer this to me whenever I ask.   If I ever had an issue with service, it was corrected quickly.  That is worth buying a bike from a dealer to me. 

The new one - including tail tidy, rim stripes and first service (INCLUDING new belts which are up for their two year limit in a few months).

First service, fender eliminator, and front sprocket are cheap. Unless it's a full termi system, then don't let those mods influence you.

RE: the wheels - are they stock? Aftermarket wheels can be very pricey - if it's got a good light-weight set, maybe this is worth it. The pin-striping is cheap (just reflective tape).

Is the used one in a color you prefer?

All things equal - I'd take the new one. Extra bit of warranty and peace of mind.

with the age, you'll probably have to replace the timing belts about the time for your first service. have them throw the belt change into the purchase

Yep, sold the S2R.. Wanted to go new.. I'm one of the few that likes the new body style personally.  I'm also clinically indecisive.. :)

Well, the new one is 350 miles away, so the inclusive service idea doesn't really work too well.. So, There isn't a service incentive really available locally.

The used one is a 2009..

Here's another one that just sparked my interest:

2009 696 dark
2500 miles
FULL Termi exhaust
$6300 (but I'd have to ship it so it comes out to $6800)

That's fairly tempting as well!

Thoughts?

So really at this point what makes sense then, is:

A) Brand New 2009 696 out the door for $7k. - stock, no incentives other than on price.
B) Used 2009 696 Dark with 2500 miles with Full Termi exhaust out the door for $7300 (really $6300 but factoring in tax and delivery)

Not sure.. The Termi is a big draw.

I change my vote for the Termignoni Dark.

Is it the full under-bike version? With the Ducati Performance ECU? That'll bring an even bigger smile on your face.
With some warranty left, I wouldn't worry about the miles, but I would try to get the seller to change the belts.

Full Termi exhaust??  On a 696?  Show me  ;D

Here's the add for the new one in question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180584208679&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180584208679&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en)

Please no one motorcycle c*ck block me.. :)

Buy this one...  ;)

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44012.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=44012.0)

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Dunno if I'd buy a bike off eBay, dunno if those Termis are slipons or a full kit, probably slips. Dunno if I'd trust ole Gabor up in Shitcago. Dunno if I'd care to have a 696 now that the 796 is out, and has proven to be an all-around better bike. Dunno if I would have sold my S2R which is known to be a sweetheart of a bike for a new one, considering they run just as lean and will require even more $$$$ to get them running properly.
However I do know M796 FTW (if we're talking only new Monsters). I'd wait for a good deal on a better bike. Resist the temptation. Riding season's just about over if you're not in CA or FL or AZ anyway. Good deals are to be had over the winter, especially if this economy continues to tank as it most certainly will! Deep shit we are in Padawan.

Lol.. I do get a little nervous about 'ol Gabor.. He doesn't seem to know too much about the bike.  The 796's are going to be quite above my price range, and I'd like to cap out at 8k..  I've heard the 696's performance and over all handling is superior to the older monsters, I don't really freak out about how it looks, I like the riding experience..

I live in South Florida.. :) Riding season is starting.. So the money is burning a hole in my pocket, and the sun is shining..   So if I'm trying to pull the trigger on something in the next 30 days, I don't know what better deals I'll find.

Well, if you want to save some bread and still get a good Monster, buy Sac Duc's bike.  Just think of all the mods you could do with the extra $4,200.00 you'd save over Fleabay bikes.

He's taking it to the dealer on Saturday to trade it in. I'm sure he'd rather have it go to a fellow board member than some random schmo...

I've ridden this bike and have had no problems keeping up with riders on bigger bikes. It turns quicker and carries cornerspeed better than the larger bikes due to it's lighter weight. 

Just my two cents... Good luck with whichever choice you make.   [thumbsup]




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I test rode a 796 - and it did not perform as well as my tuned S2R, not even close. Brakes were better but that's about it. Engine performance was way down. I'm sure with a $3500 Termi kit it would rock as it's supposed to but I was underwhelmed and disappointed, as I fully expected to be blown away. Dealer wanted my bike for himself, I said nope ( he took mine for a spin to assess it). But if you have to have another Monster, and it has to be new, wait a lil while till the money burns another hole in your ass and get a 796 or you'll be doing this all over again in three months time.

Also - if you're that indecisive just leave the store empty-handed. That's what my gf does and her wallet thanks her. A better bike will materialize and you'll spare yourself some regret. 696=fail IMO with that skinny little rear tire and big offensive dopey looking double-sided swingarm and no oil cooler OK offensive run-on rant over

those are slip-ons, no 696 full Termi system. 
I agree with the above, wait for a good one to come your way.

I vote '09 with termi slips, assuming it has the ECU and filter to go with it. I have that same combo and it sounds and feels great, also dark btw!

bergdoerfer, i think the critical test would not have been a stock 796 vs your tuned S2R but a stock 796 vs stock S2R or both tuned.

the stock new Monster is out the door a better handling and braking bike than the old Monsters.

Tuning changes everything. I would go so far as to say with one more change on my bike (upgraded shock) and some suspension tuning for your weight, you would be very impressed with the setup of this 696.

engine wise, I may down on power but only slightly--
in the corners with the lighter weight and smaller rear tire... you would love this bike in the twisties.

If only I had the technical knowhow to do a fork swap... :(

I agree, the 696 is a great bike. You will not regret the purchase. The S2R I have ridden felt sluggish, heavy, and cumbersome in the turns. Anyone who has ridden an S2R and then a 696 will attest to this fact.
(unless they refuse to be honest)
You really can't beat the flick-ability of a 696...It's a hooligan machine.

Fork swap is pretty easy. Duck-Stew showed me how to do it once. Foe me to learn anything mechanical it MUST be simple.

 Ya take off the front wheel, loosen up the bolts on the triples, and not much more to it... There are a few little tips and hints that make it go easier, but that's pretty much it.

 Just make sure you have an accurate torque wrench and know how to use it... I found that out the hard way...   [bang]




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Raux I don't doubt you one bit. However your bike is a little bit more than slightly modded. And in stock permutation, 3hp UP on the S2R800.
Handling? I did not notice the handling or power to be better, only the braking. The bike never developed any grunt until after 4500 which was disappointing for a bike advertised as having 10 more hp in stock form. I was expecting this bike to whip my bike's ass plain and simple. It did not. And the clutch felt, well, wierd.
Veloce, the S2R you rode probably had squared-off old tires on it. My bike practically falls into the turns.
Bear in mind fellas I wanted to buy a new 796 that day, but after the test ride I just couldn't do it.

Hmm, still difficult to believe. The 696/796 handles and stops better than the older monsters <- fact. Power wise, obviously the numbers are different.
There is no way an S2R with a 180 is more nimble than a 696 with a 160, not gonna happen without some major modification.

Perhaps you are confusing the feeling of a new pair of shoes to your well used pair. They feel different/wrong but are clearly better.

(http://photos.ecarlist.com/6q/Oi/25/ee/kl/Pj/tT/lz/zv/yq/Cw_800.jpg)

I do.  "Full Termi Carbon exhaust"  [laugh].  They're slipon cans.  Termi does not make a Full System for M696.  Nothing wrong with a nice set of slipons mounted to your stock headers.... but a "Full" system they aint.

bergdoerfer, what mileage did the 796 have when you test rode it?  My mech test rode mine at 0 miles before I picked her up, and then at 700 miles after first service, and he said she handled and felt much, much better/smoother after I broke her in.  I did notice what he said, but less so than him because I ride everyday, so I had to take his word for it.  He is after all a 10+ years experienced Duc race mech.  I don't doubt for a second that a broken-in, tuned, modded 796 would def out-perform your S2R.

In the end buy what feels right for you no matter what the specs says  [thumbsup]

I'd like to add as an aside that my desktop wallpaper is a diamond black M796. So I don't have bias against the new Monsters, I desire one.
Perhaps the demo wasn't set up very well? Who knows- that the 796 wasn't, to me, absolutely superior to the S2R doesn't compute somehow. But that's the impression I got. Maybe I need another test ride.

I had the same experience on a Streetfighter. Of course it's faster, but I wasn't impressed. I expected to be scared and thrilled. Same thing with the 848 (under 7k revs). My guess is that it has to do with the torque curve - a bike hitting peak torque at lower revs feels strong. If you're used to another, higher torque curve - it's probably different.

The 696 has impressive power and terrifying suspension. It's not bad once you get used to it. The terrified part, that is...

the stock components are of similar quality as the old non-adjustable products from previous gens.
the forks... upgrades had issues like the old marzocchis had as in can't upgrade internally... that's changed since first release
the rear... an Ohlins was available from the start

like i said before... the package was a better handling package compared to a similar equiped prev-gen Monster

Hey - get your bike, and come post in the DOCSF section - there's a few of us so-fla monster owners who get together to ride sometimes ;-)

The full termi on the dark 696 tips the scales. I got my bike off ebay, and have nothing but good things to say about it. Mostly, because I got in touch with the seller and had a nice hour long conversation. Make sure there is 'buyer protection' on the bike (you don't pay anything for this - it's related to the seller's reputation) - it will cover losses if the bike never shows up or is materially misrepresented. Also make sure to pay via paypal or some other method that you can track and cancel if need be.

Mine came with the termi slips and racing ECU. I LOVE the sound and grunt. 2,500 miles isn't a lot at all.

I think was a compliment to my bike :D Thanks