Had my first real navy flight today. Man talk about a reality check!
Going from a 180hp Cessna with a piston engine and fixed pitch prop to a 425 hp, 1015ft-lb turboprop T-34c was a huge change. That turbine picks up quick, and has power to spare! Not to mention how touchy the damn thing is. Then, on top of that you are dealing with three trim controls, with a stick that is infinitely more touchy than the ol' yoke on the cessna.
Put all that together and I'm being modest saying i was behind the aircraft. Makes the Duc seem like a child's toy. On the other hand, it was fun as hell! The IP demoed some acrobatics and even a spin for me. I never realized just exactly what a spin was until today. You are quite literally SPINNING!
Good times!
[thumbsup]
Excellent!
So where in the program do you fly the T-6 Tex2?
Heh, I don't. The Texan II is replacing the Turbo-mentor... but the turbo-mentor is still the primary navy trainer. Not sure what I would do with double the power, ejection seats, and a HUD!
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 18, 2010, 04:11:40 AM
Heh, I don't. The Texan II is replacing the Turbo-mentor... but the turbo-mentor is still the primary navy trainer. Not sure what I would do with double the power, ejection seats, and a HUD!
Go faster? [evil]
Try not to barf?
They'll teach you, in baby steps. Just imagine what'll be like when they stick you in a T-45
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 18, 2010, 04:11:40 AM
Heh, I don't. The Texan II is replacing the Turbo-mentor... but the turbo-mentor is still the primary navy trainer. Not sure what I would do with double the power, ejection seats, and a HUD!
Fly it off a cliff in Colorado?
Congrats! and I thought my first time jumping from a 172 to a bonanza was a big difference... definitely gives your mind a swift kick in the ass when your already on the downwind lowering the gear when it feels like you just took off.
Currently on the Stennis for PIA cert'ing CATS.
Heres to riding the big steamy shotguns. Fly Navy [drink]
Quote from: Airborne on November 18, 2010, 09:09:37 PM
Fly Navy [drink]
??? Flying with no 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule?
Go Army!
My new crew chief is a bit of a princess.
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Quote from: Bick on November 19, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
My new crew chief is a bit of a princess.
Aint they all? You'd think they own the damned bird.
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 17, 2010, 12:52:05 PM
Had my first real navy flight today. Man talk about a reality check!
Going from a 180hp Cessna with a piston engine and fixed pitch prop to a 425 hp, 1015ft-lb turboprop T-34c was a huge change.
I know a guy with a 620 Capirex who did over Mach 1 in a Cessna.
Quote from: NorDog on November 19, 2010, 02:23:24 PM
I know a guy with a 620 Capirex who did over Mach 1 in a Cessna.
You can get up to speed faster when you take off from a treadmill. ;D
I was amazed by the difference from the crusty old 172s when I got my first flight in a Marchetti.
Which is a level of magnitude less impressive than a t34.
Very Jealous. Especially since Uncle Sam's paying ;D
Keep posting your 'AARs' [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on November 19, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
??? Flying with no 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule?
Go Army!
My new crew chief is a bit of a princess.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1009/5190327722_32b1e33358_z.jpg)
Rawr.
Quote from: El Matador on November 18, 2010, 07:47:55 AM
Fly it off a cliff in Colorado?
You've got it all wrong! The motorcycles go off the cliff into the air, and the airplanes go into the cliff from the air!
Quote
Flying with no 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule?
Go Army!
My new crew chief is a bit of a princess.
Nonono, the beer comes after the flight. And flying in the army would entail wearing one of those gay little berets... though the apache would be a kick in the pants.
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 20, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
You've got it all wrong! The motorcycles go off the cliff into the air, and the airplanes go into the cliff from the air!
Only A-10's. >:(
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 20, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
And flying in the army would entail wearing one of those gay little berets...
Better just the Happy Little Beret than the whole uniform. ;D
You selling ice cream on the side, too?
There was an F-18 fly over at the CU game today, which was kind of cool. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Bick on November 19, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
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I have to ask...
...who is that?
Quote from: Rameses on November 20, 2010, 05:39:05 PM
I have to ask...
...who is that?
That would be the current Miss Colorado.
We have been visiting elementary schools around the state as part of an anti-drug campaign.
Flying in with a Blackhawk, a little "don't do drugs" talk, a slide show of Natl Guard & DEA operations.
Been a lot of fun.
The last time I was in a UH-60 I [puke]
Quote from: Bick on November 20, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
Only A-10's. >:(
Better just the Happy Little Beret than the whole uniform. ;D
You selling ice cream on the side, too?
There was an F-18 fly over at the CU game today, which was kind of cool. [thumbsup]
Pshh, don't knock the whites.
As for the icecream... have you ever seen the dirty shirt on a carrier? We have at least three flavors... more if it's not just the auto-dog. Not my fault you don't get a a real bed and three hot meals a day.
The Miss Colorado thing doesn't seem like a bad gig at all.
Paid to camp, my friend. What could be better?
And no, the Miss Colorado gig does not suck.
But do you have auto-dogs and sliders? Or just "beef minestrone" and "veggie burger in BBQ sauce"
We gots the culinary delight known as the MRE! ;D
And we can set down and have a picnic when ever we feel. ;D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4774979207_2f9134abab_b.jpg)
"The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by its nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter.
"This is why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot, and why in generality, airplane pilots are open, clear-eyed, buoyant extroverts and helicopter pilots are brooding introspective anticipators of trouble.
They know if something bad has not happened it is about to. " Having said all this, I will also tell you that flying in a helicopter is one of the most satisfying and exhilarating experiences I have ever enjoyed.
And remember the fighter pilot's prayer:
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
No gliding helicopters my ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_kite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_kite)
Anyways, as it stands I'm just in the pipeline for Naval Aviation. Fixed wing, rotary wing... who knows.
That being said, there's a reason why in the Navy we are called aviators and not pilots. Your little picnic in the mountains is cute and all... but when it comes right down to it, your UH-60 isn't landing on the back end of a tin can floating on the waves. [coffee]
I've had a few flights since this thread. Training is fast paced and intense. But the flying is awesome. Tomorrow is the first instrument flight after a bunch of simulator hops.
All I can say is wear a diaper when you do start landing on floating pads/runways (pending what you're flying).
Quote from: Punx Clever on November 21, 2010, 10:02:57 PM
That being said, there's a reason why in the Navy we are called aviators and not pilots. Your little picnic in the mountains is cute and all... but when it comes right down to it, your UH-60 isn't landing on the back end of a tin can floating on the waves. [coffee]
Wikipedia:
"An aviator is a person who flies an aircraft. The first recorded use of the term (aviateur in French) was in 1887, as a variation of 'aviation', from the Latin avis (meaning bird), coined in 1863 by G. de la Landelle in Aviation Ou Navigation Aérienne (Aviation or Air Navigation). The term aviatrix (aviatrice in French) is used for a female aviator.
The term is often applied simply to pilots,
but is often extended to include aviation navigators, bombardiers, Weapon Systems Officers, and Electronic Warfare Officers. This should not be confused with the term n
aval aviator, which refers to crew members in the U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Coast Guard.The term "aviator", as opposed to "pilot" or other terms, was used more in the early days of aviation, before anyone had ever seen an airplane fly, and it had connotations of bravery and adventure. For example, the editors at the Dayton Herald, in an article of December 18, 1903, described the Wright brothers' first airplane as thus: "The weight, including the body of the aviator, is slightly over 700 pounds".
To ensure the safety of people in the air as well as on the ground, it soon became a requirement for an aircraft to be under the operational control of a properly trained, certified and current pilot at all times, who is responsible for the safe and legal completion of the flight. The first certificate was delivered by the Aéro-Club de France to Louis Blériot in 1908, followed by Glenn Curtiss, Léon Delagrange, and Robert Esnault-Pelterie.
The absolute authority given to the "pilot in command" is derived from that of a ship's captain.[citation needed]In recognition of the aviators' qualifications and responsibilities, most militaries and many airlines around the world award aviator badges to their pilots,
as well as other air crews."
Naval aviators are badass and all and I don't have a dog in this fight but if I did...I pick pilot. I've never heard anyone say, "When I grow up I want to be a fighter aviator." :)
<ignoring the distasteful sounds of vigorously slapping pilot cocks>
punx link led me to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafner_Rotabuggy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafner_Rotabuggy)
a real flying jeep
:o
That's what you need. [evil]
That's a lot like how motorcycles were originally bicycles with wee little motors. Technically, a moped is a motorcycle... but I certainly reserve the term for a real motorcycle. YMMV.
Thing is, the navy has aviators, flight officers, and air crew. The air force and army have pilots. Gotta be a reason they call us something different. Wings of gold, or wings of lead, you choose!
Congrats on a safe first flight! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 20, 2010, 10:35:23 PM
Gotta be a reason they call us something different.
Yes, there is a reason. [roll]
Squid.
;D
QuoteWings of gold, or wings of lead, you choose!
I'm going with wings of nylon and aluminum. I picked up a hang glider last year*, and this year I am going to take lessons and learn to fly.
*this was an impulse trade. I was on a long bicycle training ride last year, west of Madison WI. I met another guy who was also on a training ride and we chatted as we biked up and down the hills by Mount Horeb WI, and as we were about to go our separate ways, he asked if I wanted to buy a hang glider. I told him no, but I did have a carbon fiber road bike I could trade him for it. A couple weeks later he had a new bike and I had a new white elephant.
Quote from: Bick on December 21, 2010, 07:55:14 AM
Yes, there is a reason. [roll]
Squid.
;D
I hate to admit it... but the boot gets it. Nothing quite like a good rivalry.
Hang gliding would be fun to.
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 21, 2010, 08:30:01 AM
I hate to admit it... but the boot gets it. Nothing quite like a good rivalry.
Years ago I did some mock dogfighting in Marchettis. One of those deals where you go up with an instructor and have at it (with simulated guns) against another plane.
Instructor in my plane was an Ex-Marine aviator. Instructor in my buddy's plane was an Ex-AF pilot.
The trash talk over the radio between them was epic. [laugh]
Quote from: Bick on November 21, 2010, 09:08:05 PM
"The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by its nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
Technically most modern jets are fly-by-wire, meaning that the aerodynamics of the plane on their own aren't sufficient for lift and thusly force the plane downward. Without the aid of computers and avionics, a jet won't fly either... [cheeky]
Have you been through SERE yet? I don't know where in your pipeline it is, if not, good times.
Quote from: Scotzman on December 22, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
Have you been through SERE yet? I don't know where in your pipeline it is, if not, good times.
Later in the pipe... and yes. I expect many "fond" memories
Quote from: Adamm3406 on December 22, 2010, 12:14:15 AM
Technically most modern jets are fly-by-wire, meaning that the aerodynamics of the plane on their own aren't sufficient for lift and thusly force the plane downward. Without the aid of computers and avionics, a jet won't fly either... [cheeky]
That's... wrong.
There's plenty of lift in a modern jet and the control surfaces can still be operated directly by a human being.
Now, will it be stable? Will it be stable as it goes from regular to supersonic flight?
Will the pilot not accidentally yank the stick in such a way that the plane stalls, rips its wings off or knocks out the pilot?
Uh, no.
So modern jets can fly without avionics, they just don't fly particularly well.
I'm glad I have a set of these.
(http://www.soldiercity.com/images/products/300PIX/16076_300PIX.JPG)
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on December 22, 2010, 02:09:28 PM
That's... wrong.
There's plenty of lift in a modern jet and the control surfaces can still be operated directly by a human being.
Now, will it be stable? Will it be stable as it goes from regular to supersonic flight?
Will the pilot not accidentally yank the stick in such a way that the plane stalls, rips its wings off or knocks out the pilot?
Uh, no.
So modern jets can fly without avionics, they just don't fly particularly well.
You are not quite right either. As you can tell by my screen name, this is what I do (fighters in particular).
Fly by wire simply means the flight controls are activated via an electronic signal rather than a physical cable.
Avionics and computers controlling the flight controls are a totally different subject. Yes, most modern fighters are not dynamically stable. I think it is safe to say that is a requirement for them to be able to fly safely without the avionics being operational.
The amount of lift an aircraft has is determined by its physical shape, not anything to do with computers, flight controls, or avionics.
It is unfortunately quite possible to "knock a pilot out" while flying. This is called gloc, or Gravity-induced Loss of Consciousness.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 22, 2010, 02:57:09 PM
I'm glad I have a set of these.
(http://www.soldiercity.com/images/products/300PIX/16076_300PIX.JPG)
You won't when I get my wings... [evil]
Dude your wings can be your wings.....If you get them. I have mine and that's all there is to it.
Quote from: Punx Clever on December 22, 2010, 03:18:37 PM
You won't when I get my wings... [evil]
Just to one-up you, Punx...
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168/5283676203_c5de31d41c.jpg)
:-*
Paolo, I was talking about how rediculous it is that the navy is even considering giving me some. You air crew bubbas make a lot of good shit happen.
Bick, keep em. They are the wrong color.
Heck, I do not even have wings and have been up in an F-4!
That's OK I don't have to fly with you, so I won't be scared. I've been out since 99'
(http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/a/airplane-emoticon-jet.gif)
This was my job. For the US Navy of course.
C130 Flightdeck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbhw76ziKp0#normal)
oh look at those cute pins
I got my wings in highschool...
;D
Quote from: D Paoli on December 22, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
That's OK I don't have to fly with you, so I won't be scared. I've been out since 99'
(http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/a/airplane-emoticon-jet.gif)
This was my job. For the US Navy of course.
You wrote stuff?
QuoteLater in the pipe... and yes. I expect many "fond" memories
Before you go, let me know so I can give you tips on stuff to bring and not bring. It's a "fun" couple of weeks though.
Great thread. Bick I am a big fan of the "Hawk". I flew some recon/orientation flights in Afghanistan with an Army unit and I got a few rides in the S-60. Punx Clever, enjoy flight school, it is a bit tedious but it is all worth it in the end. I have a bunch of friends who are instructors at P-Cola now and let me know if you fly with Maj Kirby. I have good of dirt on him, he is a good guy though. I am a Marine CH-53E pilot and it is humorous hearing the Navy and Army fight for second place in the aviation hierarchy. Oh, Marines have the best uniforms as well. It does not get any better than Dress Blues.
Quote from: Scotzman on December 22, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
You wrote stuff?
Yes. That is the sole purpose to have a flight engineer in the flight station. To write stuff.
Quote from: Dieter29 on December 23, 2010, 04:23:56 AM
Great thread. Bick I am a big fan of the "Hawk". I flew some recon/orientation flights in Afghanistan with an Army unit and I got a few rides in the S-60. Punx Clever, enjoy flight school, it is a bit tedious but it is all worth it in the end. I have a bunch of friends who are instructors at P-Cola now and let me know if you fly with Maj Kirby. I have good of dirt on him, he is a good guy though. I am a Marine CH-53E pilot and it is humorous hearing the Navy and Army fight for second place in the aviation hierarchy. Oh, Marines have the best uniforms as well. It does not get any better than Dress Blues.
With all due "respect", take a look at your paycheck next chance you get. Its still department of the navy... not department of the navy and marine corps. :P
Also... choker whites win every day of the week
The two of you girls can fight about dress up clothes all you want. Since I have been back in, I have yet to don class a's.
:-*
We're out earning our pay.
(http://www.usarmyaviation.com/images/clipart/bc11.gif)
Quote from: Bick on December 23, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
The two of you girls can fight about dress up clothes all you want. Since I have been back in, I have yet to don class a's.
:-*
We're out earning our pay.
(http://www.usarmyaviation.com/images/clipart/bc11.gif)
Speaking of uniforms, I see that a lot of things have changed. Such as the new BDU uniform that replaced those dungarees we used to wear. (Those were a disgrace to the service) and the old aviation rates no longer apply to aircrew members. All aircrew are are of the AW rate now which used to stand for Aviation Warfare Systems Operators.
That would have made me an AWF (naval aircrewman mechanical) with an NEC of 8206
I wish I would have been around for the uniform change. Of course the best uniform is a Nomex flight suit. [thumbsup]
unless you end up someplace real hot.
Yea, the new Navy cammies are great! Especially when you fall overboard.
The blue cammies are easy to maintain, but that's about as far as it goes.
What's that on the Marine flag, oh yes, Department of the Navy--the men's department.
The Stallions/Superstallions are machines though.
Quote from: Scotzman on December 23, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
The blue cammies are easy to maintain, but that's about as far as it goes.
What's that on the Marine flag, oh yes, Department of the Navy--the men's department.
The Stallions/Superstallions are machines though.
(http://www.navair.navy.mil/img/uploads/takeoffHR.jpg)
Word!
U.S. Navy MH-53E Takeoff from ship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yoNdAvS2s#normal)
More word.
And what an MH-53 should be doing. [evil]
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/ts.jpg)
Helicopter messes up during refueling. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-59V6mC-Do&playnext=1&list=PL2F63DD3194BF91B5&index=19#normal)
What they shouldn't be doing.
Hooray for Naval Aviators. [laugh]
They're pretty lucky the boom didn't do immediate damage to the rotors... Then again, who knows how bad it looked once they got that thing on the ground.
Actually, I take that back. With the lack of paint, that whirly-bird is most like a Marine.
I think it says US Marines on the side of that thing.
[laugh]
Uhh, we'll just say it was the Marines.
Anybody see the two 60's "land" in Lake Tahoe recently and permanently lose their wings?
No, got a link?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/navy-investigates-videotaped-helicopter-dipping-incident-lake-tahoe/story?id=11722054&tqkw=&tqshow= (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/navy-investigates-videotaped-helicopter-dipping-incident-lake-tahoe/story?id=11722054&tqkw=&tqshow=)
Well there go a couple of guys that lost their careers. [clap]
HAHAHA...that thing circumcised itself!
I guess they saw this video and wanted to see how far into the water they could get.
Helicopter SEAL recovery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4icClG3JHE#normal)
I guess they didn't figure on getting into Hot water. ;D
Every time I have been on board a helo during an inflight refuel, I'm not a happy camper till we are done. The
last one I was looking out the door of a 53 over at a Blackhawk and up at the 130, on Nods. Pucker factor of 10. :D
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 23, 2010, 07:41:19 PM
Every time I have been on board a helo during an inflight refuel, I'm not a happy camper till we are done. The
last one I was looking out the door of a 53 over at a Blackhawk and up at the 130, on Nods. Pucker factor of 10. :D
Our C130T's came from Lockheed with the refueling panel, all the plumbing & wiring in the wings and airframe, but not IFR pods or refuel tank. we never did IFR missions. They were otherwise ready to give to to Marines and have that stuff installed but now I see the Marines are sportin some KC130J (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_C-130J_Super_Hercules) models, and moving away from the KC130T's.
According to Wiki, the J model is the only model in production anymore.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 23, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
I guess they saw this video and wanted to see how far into the water they could get.
I guess they didn't figure on getting into Hot water. ;D
I'd hate to be the air crew, wet feet the rest of the day. No jungle rot for me thanks.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 23, 2010, 07:41:03 PM
I guess they saw this video and wanted to see how far into the water they could get.
Helicopter SEAL recovery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4icClG3JHE#normal)
I guess they didn't figure on getting into Hot water. ;D
Looks too small to be a 47. Is that a 46?
Funny that the 47 (used by Army) can do water landings, yet the 46 (used by Navy) needs additional mods to do such.
Army Aviation - Above the Best!
Thunderstruck - US Army Aviation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FPcA7rNbTs#normal)
^ Impressive, but still didn't capture the best of the best...
Quote from: Bick on December 24, 2010, 08:32:10 PM
Looks too small to be a 47. Is that a 46?
Funny that the 47 (used by Army) can do water landings, yet the 46 (used by Navy) needs additional mods to do such.
I have no idea what kind of helo that is, but 46's aren't the only thing that needs to be modified. Check this out.
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Yet-Still-Another-Embarrassing-F-35-Problem-12-12-2010.asp (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Yet-Still-Another-Embarrassing-F-35-Problem-12-12-2010.asp)
46s have equipment to temporally float if there's an emergency landing in water, but that's about it as far as standard goes.
Just like the military (not just the Navy) build something and then see if it will work. When they started building the new LPDs, the welldecks were too narrow for an LCAC.
Quote from: D Paoli on December 24, 2010, 09:53:08 PM
I have no idea what kind of helo that is, but 46's aren't the only thing that needs to be modified. Check this out.
It's a CH-46 Sea Knight. Like this.
CH46 Sea Knight Helicopter Crash Lands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHd5LePyVc#normal)
That was a tragic story.
A whole lotta not good.
On a brighter note... I just checked back into the squadron... now to get sent to Las Cruces for better flying weather!