Ducati Monster Forum

My brother is interested in the smaller cc Monsters.  Just want to make sure I know what I'm talking about.  Please let me know if any of this below is incorrect.  Thanks.

"In 2005 the baby Monster (620) had some cost cutting which included the smaller two piston brakes instead of the 4 piston Goldlines.  I'm pretty sure this is also when they received plastic tanks. So you may have to go back to 2004 to get a metal tank on a 620."

Also,

1)  When did the 620's get the six-speed transmission and Adler Power Torque Plate Clutch (APTC)?  
2)  Have the plastic tank 620's and 695 suffered from the tank expansion problems?


What about 695's?  I think my brother should stay away from the 695 unless it has the Ducati Performance ECU and pipes.  The year the 695 came out was the same year the latest strict Euro emissions went into effect and the 695 was set very lean.  It ran so hot it turned the paint on the cylinder heads closest to the exhaust brown.  You could see oil temps well above 300 degrees.  The previous 620's never got anywhere near those temps.  The Ducati Performance ECU and pipes allowed it to run as it should and brought the oil temps way down.

I don't think the 620 ever had a plastic tank or an APTC. (?)

I am pretty sure my 2006 620 had a plastic tank.  One of the first things I noticed about my 2005 1000s when I got it home was that it had a metal tank which was different from the 620.  

the six speed i think came out in 04.

i know the 03 don't have either the slipper or 6 speed.

my 03 has a 5sp trans and is not a dark model

Well, I can tell you that the 03' Dark has a metal tank, but is only a 5 speed. I also have the 4 piston gold lines. Again, mine is a "Dark" model, I know the other models that year were all 6 speed.  I believe that the 5 speed was for darks only and that stopped in 04' with everything getting 6speed. As for plastic tanks, I think you are right with 05' being the magical year.

Looks like the plastic tank came in, in 05 along with the APTC. 03 hade a 5 speed, 04 had a 6 speed.

I had an 08 695 and the tank was plastic.  Just got a brand new tank from Ducati to fix the issue.  Yes, oil temps did go above 300 and a number of times I had to pull over because of high temp readings.  My 08 695 was a 6 speed.  Still have my termi slip-ons, ECU and airbox if you little brothers looking for a set at a cheap price and still look pretty damn good.  Left Termi has a couple of scratches.  

Thanks for the help guys.  I found some specifications on Ducati's website.  
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/620/2004/tech_spec.do (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/620/2004/tech_spec.do)

2004 was definitely the year the 6-spd and APTC debuted.  (The 2004 Dark still kept the 5-spd.)
So, the 2004 could be a good year to look for.  It has the better brakes and metal tank of the earlier 620's and it has the 6-spd and APTC.  It  but doesn't have the plastic tank.  All of the good, none of the bad.  

Looks like you answered your own question.  :D

Just had to dig a little deeper.  Also, I forgot that you can tell the difference between the metal and plastic tanks by looking at the little lip at the bottom of all metal tanks where the metal was sealed together. 

A few questions remain.
 1) Have the plastic tank 620's and 695 suffered from the tank expansion problems?
 2) What about 695's?  Do they run too lean? Should we stay away unless it has the DP ECU and pipes?

Look a few posts up

I have an '06 620 and yes, I have replaced one tank because it expanded. I have a full quat d exhaust and only had an issue with the engine running lean when I opened the air box up.

Having an '08 695, I have a some small issues with the tank, but other than that it's been cherry. No problems with fuel mixture or anything.

Go for the '04 620.

If you want bigger, go for the '04 M800.
No APTC, but all of the other good stuff.

    minnesotamonster 

 This guy knows his shite.  So does his wife. ( lucky bastard )
We had some great interaction and sales transaction.
 His wife's bike is a 620.
 I'm thinking of a Terra Mostro. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-Dual-Sport-Terra-Mostro-/230553854441?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item35ae14a1e9#v4-44 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-Dual-Sport-Terra-Mostro-/230553854441?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item35ae14a1e9#v4-44)

Is threre any noticeable weight penalty between a 620, 695, 800, or 1100 ?

620- 370 lbs Dry

1100S- 370 lbs Dry

 620 63hp.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Monster620.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Monster620.htm)
 1100s 94hp.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Monster1000S.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Monster1000S.htm)
 My bike, thanks. Bummer, always heard more. Must be at the crank.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Ducati-Monster-S2R.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/dynocharts/dynocharts-Ducati-2005-Ducati-Monster-S2R.htm)
 I need a mid pipe... Positivity.
 One of the funniest things I hear about the S2R800 ( love it ) is that it isn't a 1K. Hmmmm.
I'm gonna make a Ducati t-shirt that sez'  "You Gotta Stroke It."

The first baby monster that comes to mind is the 400.  Guess it hasn't been introduced anywhere outside of Japan.

If you can find an early production 05 620 it's likely to have the 4 piston brakes and a steel tank. They officially made the swap in 05, but still had some bike make it out the door with the better brakes and metal tanks. Whacky...

My '05 620 Dark was one of those. 4 piston brakes, steel tank, dual disks. Starts like a charm; change the oil and filter every 3K, valve service every 6K, visual/tension check the chain every 100-200 miles, clean it every 500-1000 miles and re-adjust tension and good to go. Starts up like a charm every time (well, there was that one time when it was about 10 degrees F outside. . . I had to try it three times, then it started up).

The Doc

To add to the confusion, I *think* '03 had three versions of the 620:  dark, standard and S model.  IIRC, the S model had the 6 speed gearbox and *may* have had the slipper clutch.  In '04, the standard model was the '03 S model.  I think. So keep your eyes out for an '03 620S as well. 

Also, +1 or +2 or + whatever on some of the '05 models having steel tanks and/or the good brakes.  It totally depends.  Some had one or the other.  Some had none.  Some had both. 

Ducati only officially show parts catalogues for '03 M620 and M620S.

Steel tank, good brakes, 5-speed.

The small case 6-speed is a decent upgrade over the 5.

nvm, i had an 02 620 in '05 and was gonna say "nuh uh!" 05 620's had metal tanks, but then I remembered....

Thanks for the reminder that some 05's also came with metal tanks and the bigger brakes. I actually knew about that, but assumed it was very rare. From the responses here, it doesn't sound that uncommon. 2005 620's also had the black frames which I like. Now the trick is to find one of these that is local.

kinda sounds like a crap shoot trying to find the right one...

can't go wrong with a 04+ SV.... or a s2r800..

Except the that S2R800 has the smaller brakes and a plastic tank...

I have an 05 620 with the bigger brakes and metal tank for sale.

Fastest color, too.

Seems like you could remove worries about the plastic tank by using some Caswell tank sealer http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm (http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm). I still need to give it a try, but that might open up your options a bit.
-Ferg

Had a 2005 620 dark with metal tank and by the way the 900 Monster has a metal tank and can be found cheap.

[laugh] Yeah this guy really wasn't paying attention.

Now that I found the perfect 620 what should I be paying?

It's an 05, 13k, never down and comes with a few goodies.
(Oh, it's for the wife, I like my RS)

I'd say somewhere in the low to mid $3K if all maintenance is up to snuff. I Paid $4200 for an '03 in showroom condition with 3900 miles on it and several extras 2 years ago.

i agree mid to low 3s but then again if the records are up to snuff and also a lot of things are replaced and new valve job, chain, tires, sprockets, belts, filters, etc. and really nothing has to be done to it then its a good deal, then again the person could ask a little more around low 4s and still be justified in a way.

afterall some people might sell you a bike that is "ok and running" for 2800$, but you might need to put a new battery/tires/plugs/filters/etc and then suddenly you are spending close to 1k-1.5k to get the bike up to the point where you are are comfortable with it to not leave you stranded.

so take into account the condition of the bike and how much work you thiink it needs to get to where "you want it".  personally i always replace the batter if its overf 4 years old (don't want to find out the battery is bad when it leaves me on the side of the road) and tires if they are over 4 years old no matter the condition but that is just a pet peeve of mine, others will ride as long as there is any rubber left.

I agree 3K range, but if it's in known great condition, also add in the 'want' factor.

You can get cheaper 2 wheeled transportation, but it's a Ducati, don't try to be too rational.

I'm sure you've factored in the 12K valve service.

Good Luck.

Mine is an early '05... Goldlines, Metal Tank. Great bike.