I noticed an article in the latest AMCN that got my attention, it was about an ad that Super Cheap Auto (SCA) was going to put on air but was stopped by those tireless workers of the Motorcycle Council (MCC).
It was an ad that is part of their 'karma' series that you see the 'enforcer' doing at the moment where people dont look after their cars and they want to do something about it.
This particular advertisement has a shot of cars stationary in traffic and a motorcycle then appears trickling through the stationary vehicles (as we occasionally do) then without warning a female puposely opens her car door on the rider, this is carma for car owners.
Fer christsake, all this is proving is that we go out in our cars and purposely hurt another road user, why would people do that? But I reckon would do it if the ad went to air.
All I can do at the moment is not shop at SCA and send them an e-mail voicing my disgust at such an ad even thought of, and of course let you know.
Mmick
Quote from: monstermick58 on November 27, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
I noticed an article in the latest AMCN that got my attention, it was about an ad that Super Cheap Auto (SCA) was going to put on air but was stopped by those tireless workers of the Motorcycle Council (MCC).
It was an ad that is part of their 'karma' series that you see the 'enforcer' doing at the moment where people dont look after their cars and they want to do something about it.
This particular advertisement has a shot of cars stationary in traffic and a motorcycle then appears trickling through the stationary vehicles (as we occasionally do) then without warning a female puposely opens her car door on the rider, this is carma for car owners.
Fer christsake, all this is proving is that we go out in our cars and purposely hurt another road user, why would people do that? But I reckon would do it if the ad went to air.
All I can do at the moment is not shop at SCA and send them an e-mail voicing my disgust at such an ad even thought of, and of course let you know.
Mmick
Ummmmm i shop at supercheap auto.... I just spent $100 there this week on a hex allen socket set and a few other tools for the bike..... What the hell are these dopes thinking putting an ad to air like that (or considering putting it to air). If i was in there marketing department the first thing i would do would be to dump there agency. What sort of a moron would advocate causing harm in and ad to part of there customer base (large or small, its irrelevant).
Not only am i pissed off that supercheap auto would consider this, im equally pissed off that an agency would pitch this idea!
thats my 2c worth
the vid was on yourtube for a while
this happened near a month ago
Super Cheap Auto Group Limited comprises four businesses: Supercheap Auto, BCF (Boating Camping and Fishing), Goldcross Cycles and Ray's Outdoors.
apparently it was aired, then pulled after a LOT of complaints, i'm boycotting their stores for the forseeable future, hopefully i'll get in the habit of shopping somewhere else permanently.
paul.
I havent seen the ad... im assuming this isnt the full ad
super cheap auto motorcycle ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7_0_rQjujU#normal)
Quote from: cakeman on November 27, 2010, 11:01:06 PM
I havent seen the ad... im assuming this isnt the full ad
super cheap auto motorcycle ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7_0_rQjujU#normal)
Thats the ad, so in this instance the bike didnt get hit, but it only takes one numnut.
And one of my boys works for Ray's Outdoors, I wonder how he will feel when I show him the ad?
Mmick
the simple fact that it is illegal to open you door whilst in traffic, moving or not, clearly shows SCA's depth of knowledge. so much for their little quote at the end, "driving home road safety"....
on a side note, i had a prick decide to get out of his taxi before the driver had pulled over properly, still in the middle of the lane but stationary, no idicator on etc. luckily opened the door just after the footpeg had passed, if this had have caught i would have gone down. i just ended up with 2 taxi yellow stripes down my cf cans >:(
Kinda on topic. I was told by a senior constable [leo] last week that its not illegal to lane split... Contrary to my thoughts. This was during my accident report in which I denied doing it (which is true - I wasnt - incase your reading this [leo]). The [leo] said I don't care if you lane split or not. To which i said, I wasnt coz it's illegal, the [leo] replied "no it's not".
WTF is it or isnt it.
Oh and shit ad too. I dont see any ads about lookin twice coz we sit in your blind spots so look over your shoulder before bargin into me. Like in my case leaving me all busted up typing now with only 1 hand and a bike thats in the shop all jizzled up.
I was told by the police in WA that as much as they don't like people doing it, there isn't any law pertaining to it. But I seem to recall something about only one vehicle per lane which has been brought up time and again by people who dislike pushbike riders riding two abreast.
So this really doesn't help at all, does it?
I would have thought they would be pinging lots of riders for it, if it was illegal.
I always just assumed is was illegal to lane split... i do do it, but not as much as i could because i thought the [leo] were pretty harsh on it. I have even heard that its a fine for every car you pass when you split.... that seems a bit over done.... can anyone clear this for me?
yeah ive heard the "per car" story too. If thats the case Im sure alot of us would have to put the house on the market to pay the fines!!!
Yep, bloody good question, anyone know the answer?
Maybe we ought to ask someone like Mark Stenberg of Lawstop.
Mmick
it's illegal to lane split. at least here in QLD.
the only time you're permitted to pass a vehicle on the left is if you're in a dedicated lane or the vehicle is stationary and indicating to turn right.
been booked for it unfortunately.
paul.
as i understand it you need to be in the lane to the right of the car. go down the middle you need to be in the lh lane, as if you're in the rh lane you're passing on the left. that's what a cop giving me a hard time said one day.
I flicked Mark Stenberg an e-mail regarding lane splitting from a NSW point of view so I wait a reply and when/if he replies I will post up
Mmick
Mark Stenberg of Lawstop fame has replied to the 'how long is a piece of string' question by referring me to his web site and this is what I found;
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Are you allowed to Lane Split?
In NSW you are allowed to pass a vehicle on it's nearside if you are indicating left and turning left in the same lane or if you are on the left side of a broken or an unbroken line such as in an adjoining left lane.
You are allowed to pass on the offside if indicating right and you are on the left of either a broken or unbroken line in the same lane or on the right side of a broken line in another lane or overtaking. In other words if the lane is wide enough for you to share with another vehicle you can legally pass on it's right side if indicating.
However, ARR (Australian Road Rule) 140 says do not overtake when unsafe.
ARR 144 says to keep a safe distance when overtaking.
Does it matter whether the vehicles being passed are moving? No
So there you go, hope it helps.
Mmick
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so its a yes as long as your indicator is on?
in victoria at least, there is no law specifically making lane splitting/filtering illegal, as long as:
- you pass to the right of a vehicle, within their lane, so as not to cross the line and become 'to the left' of the vehicle in the right lane (assuming 2 lanes of traffic)
- you have your RHS indicator on.
the laws relating to this manouvre are (cant remember the specific ARR numbers):
you must not overtake unless safe to do so,
you must not overtake too close to another vehicle.
problems there in - WTF is too close? there is no defined distance. i figure if i make it past without cutting off the other vehicle or hitting them, it was by default safe ;)
But generally when splitting up the middle of two lanes, you will be in and out of both lanes... no one is going to leave you enough space on the right hand side of their car
I can see me wearing out alot of indicator switches me thinks. [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: cakeman on November 29, 2010, 05:46:40 PM... no one is going to leave you enough space on the right hand side of their car
I do. When I'm caged and I see a [moto] splitting up the queue behind me I move as far over as I can for em. But then I'm a bike rider in a cage, not a car driver as such, eh.
But lets not forget the real reason for the post in the first place
BASTARD SUPER CHEAP AUTO BASTARDS
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Mmick
Quote from: monstermick58 on November 29, 2010, 09:15:23 PM
But lets not forget the real reason for the post in the first place
BASTARD SUPER CHEAP AUTO BASTARDS
Fixed it for ya Mmick [thumbsup]
Road laws are different in each state so it depends where you do it.
Often there isn't a specific law relating to lane splitting but they use the " unsafe driving" or similar law to whack you with.
I generally don't lane split as there isn't often the traffic to justify it in Tas given I don't commute.
Quote from: heatherp on November 28, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
I was told by the police in WA that as much as they don't like people doing it, there isn't any law pertaining to it. But I seem to recall something about only one vehicle per lane which has been brought up time and again by people who dislike pushbike riders riding two abreast.
So this really doesn't help at all, does it?
I would have thought they would be pinging lots of riders for it, if it was illegal.
From NSW Road Rules: 151 Riding a motor bike or bicycle alongside more than 1 other rider
(1) The rider of a motor bike or bicycle must not ride on a road that is not a multi-lane road alongside more than 1 other rider, unless subrule (3) applies to the rider.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Note. Bicycle, motor bike and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary, and rider is defined in rule 17.
(2) The rider of a motor bike or bicycle must not ride in a marked lane alongside more than 1 other rider in the marked lane, unless subrule (3) applies to the rider.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Note. Marked lane is defined in the Dictionary.
(3) The rider of a motor bike or bicycle may ride alongside more than 1 other rider if the rider is:
(a) overtaking the other riders, or
(b) permitted to do so under another law of this jurisdiction.
Note. Overtake is defined in the Dictionary.
(4) If the rider of a motor bike or bicycle is riding on a road that is not a multi-lane road alongside another rider, or in a marked lane alongside another rider in the marked lane, the rider must ride not over 1.5 metres from the other rider.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Quote from: Nibor on November 29, 2010, 05:05:57 PM
in victoria at least, there is no law specifically making lane splitting/filtering illegal, as long as:
- you pass to the right of a vehicle, within their lane, so as not to cross the line and become 'to the left' of the vehicle in the right lane (assuming 2 lanes of traffic)
- you have your RHS indicator on.
the laws relating to this manouvre are (cant remember the specific ARR numbers):
you must not overtake unless safe to do so,
you must not overtake too close to another vehicle.
problems there in - WTF is too close? there is no defined distance. i figure if i make it past without cutting off the other vehicle or hitting them, it was by default safe ;)
Again, the NSW Rules: 144 Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
A driver overtaking a vehicle:
(a) must pass the vehicle at a sufficient distance to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle, and
(b) must not return to the marked lane or line of traffic where the vehicle is travelling until the driver is a sufficient distance past the vehicle to avoid a collision with the vehicle or obstructing the path of the vehicle.
As to the original post - I agree the ad was pretty distasteful, thankfully they pulled it, presumably acknowledging their mistake.
Quote from: StephenC on December 05, 2010, 04:24:07 PM
As to the original post - I agree the ad was pretty distasteful, thankfully they pulled it, presumably acknowledging their mistake.
The ad was pulled because our (NSW) Motorcycle Council (MCC) insisted it be pulled, two [thumbsup] to the boys and girls that do the hard yards for us at MCC.
Mmick
Quote from: Justo on November 28, 2010, 05:52:11 PM
Kinda on topic. I was told by a senior constable [leo] last week that its not illegal to lane split... Contrary to my thoughts. This was during my accident report in which I denied doing it (which is true - I wasnt - incase your reading this [leo]). The [leo] said I don't care if you lane split or not. To which i said, I wasnt coz it's illegal, the [leo] replied "no it's not".
WTF is it or isnt it.
Oh and shit ad too. I dont see any ads about lookin twice coz we sit in your blind spots so look over your shoulder before bargin into me. Like in my case leaving me all busted up typing now with only 1 hand and a bike thats in the shop all jizzled up.
Hope you are ok Justo! :-*
a couple of things.first and foremost MARK STENBERG is a LEGEND.he got me off my speeding fine (no not on a monster) but that other bike.the man can ride and he is one of the nicest guys to talk/ride with not to mention a true professional.
last but not least people do not winge about dickheads on the roads back home because im here in malaysia and they are all f#cked on and off the road.....pigmy
All the best for a speedy recovery :-*
Quote from: Justo on December 06, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Thanks SM. Healing frustratingly slow. Slinged shoulder for another 4weeks with rehab after that and bike is about the same. Second crash this year (both not my fault). Looking forward to an upright 2011.
Jees mate, didn't even realise you'd had a drop. When and what the heck happened!?
Justo, who said there is no such thing as good drugs.
Hope you are healed and well soon.
Still wont go near SuperShit Auto anymore, and I'm telling anyone who wants to hear.
Mmick
glad to hear your recovering well mate.
probably not my place to say, but, if you've had two accidents this year, even though they're someone elses fault by the letter of the law it's cold comfort for you on the sidelines! riding in traffic sucks, it's the highest risk for bikes, no question! you should take a little time to seriously evaluate what happened in both falls and understand where YOU went wrong, you said you were in his blind spot, there's a good start, noisy pipes are no help if the windows are up, air is on and they're listening to the radio! don't think they're a safety device. remember mate, you have the most to lose in a fall, car drivers will always walk away, they have nothing to lose, so they don't understand the consequences of their actions, because of that you have to think for them, because whether they mean to or not, they can and do regularly kill and maim us, so treat every other road user like they're a 1st day learner driver because frankly, most aren't much better than that.
get well mate.
paul.
Thanks dad.
Quote from: Justo on December 06, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
Thanks dad.
[laugh] Speedy recovery
Justo [thumbsup]
Quote from: monstermick58 on December 06, 2010, 08:41:16 PM
Still wont go near SuperShit Auto anymore, and I'm telling anyone who wants to hear.
I wanna hear. So
Mmick, how do you feel about shopping at Super Crap Auto ever again? Oh and Mmick, I sometimes forget to wear my reading glasses, so you might have to tell me in really big writing ;D.
Heal up Justo.
I use my local Autobarn instead. The people there are friendly, helpful and know their stuff. I think they're all petrol heads which is great!
My local SCA is shit for service, no one knows anything and they avoid customers. That ad was the last straw.
It'll never be over. >:(
SCA has cheap shit for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that they employ zit ridden prepubescent little make the beast with two backsers who think they know everything but as usual, know nothing, less than nothing, they can't even give you a parts catalogue so you can look up your own part numbers for them!
add to that they import shit loads of junk from china, taiwan and god knows where else.
I'm pretty sure SCA also own a major pushbike chain and an outdoors type chain as well............
Quote from: loony888 on February 14, 2011, 01:15:29 AM
I'm pretty sure SCA also own a major pushbike chain and an outdoors type chain as well............
Super Cheap Auto Group (SCAG) also own Golden Cross Bicycles (sold in Q'land), Ray's Outdoors and Boat Camping Fishing (BCF).
So the SCAG can go to hell.
Mmick
Crazy Noonga Calls Super Cheap Auto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_B6_IhNHso#normal)
Dumb Ass SCAG
Mmick