Going to pick this up today for the "family" (the s/o and I) Christmas present this morning..
Insigniaâ,,¢ 46" Class / 1080p / 120Hz / LED-LCD HDTV
This seems to fit the bill for the basics and at $849, it appears to be a good deal.
I guess the sounds isn't the greatest..as with most of the new TV's but it's going to be hooked up to the home theatre system anyway. Several positive reviews in the link below.
http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/9687054/insignia-46-class-1080p-120hz-led-lcd-hdtv-reviews/reviews.htm (http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/9687054/insignia-46-class-1080p-120hz-led-lcd-hdtv-reviews/reviews.htm)
Any feedback from the DMF?
Go for it. I have an Envision that's just fine. I kind of wish it had more than one HDMI input but so far 1 is all I need. I guess what I'm saying is look for one with a couple of those.
GRRRRRRR!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
SOOOOOOOOOOOO many rude comments and little person jokes I want to make but can't bring myself to...
Happy Holidays, IZ.
:p
Honestly, regardless of how good the tv is, i say wait about 2 weeks or so. Prices usually drop to better than what they are now so you could in theory get a bigger, better tv for around the same money....just a thought....the tv you chose is pretty good too :-)
Get a Panasonic plasma for that price. The picture quality will be far superior. I can envision the blur across the screen with insignia's state of the art video processing. Its not an LED but you will have black and little motion blur.
love my LED/LCD. is that one fully backlit w/ local dimming? or just edge lit?
either way, i feel like they are the best compromise between LCD durability and the color-richness from a Plasma.
Id recommend highly that you take a movie you're familiar with and go watch parts of it on the TV you're considering.
Also, TV's in the store have the contrast/brightness cranked to 11 to increase curb appeal.
It won't look the same at home. Google for some average color settings and then set the tv to those. Watch your movie. Buy or move to the next tv.
Instead of a honeymoon my wife and I spent like $2k on a 58" Samsung plasma and we did a ton of research before we bought. LED wasn't a better picture, but it was just different. I couldn't justify $1400 more for it, for a slightly smaller screen.
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 28, 2010, 08:03:52 PM
Get a Panasonic plasma for that price. The picture quality will be far superior. I can envision the blur across the screen with insignia's state of the art video processing. Its not an LED but you will have black and little motion blur.
+1
Too many reasons to explain here why the plasma is a better option. Better and cheaper mind you.
I bought a 50" Panasonic plasma for $699 Saturday night. Our Panasonic LCD's lamp went out for the forth or fifth time and I opted to stop buying new lamps at $200 a shot and just get a better TV. The picture on the plasma is noticeably better and with three HDMI's I finally have the blu ray and cable set up for optimum performance.
Buying a new set today, having a built in internet connection and browser would be high on my must have feature list.
mitt
Choose one of these: http://goo.gl/zD96M (http://goo.gl/zD96M)
No tax and free shipping with amazon prime (if you don't have it I can set you up on one of my accounts for free) you could get a 50" intent ready sexy pannasonic plasma for about a G.....damn good deal in my book
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 09:06:53 AM
Choose one of these: http://goo.gl/zD96M (http://goo.gl/zD96M)
No tax and free shipping with amazon prime (if you don't have it I can set you up on one of my accounts for free) you could get a 50" intent ready sexy pannasonic plasma for about a G.....damn good deal in my book
Great options.
Good luck finding a 55" LCD/LED for the same prices as those plasmas.
It's amazing that a little over a year ago I paid $1300 for a 40" LCD, now a 54" plasma is the same price..
Go to www.avsforum.com (//http://) for all your audio/visual desires. You'll find what you're asking for and more.
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Good luck finding a 55" LCD/LED for the same prices as those plasmas.
47" Vizio LCD- $599, free shipping
http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/dbabf8cb-5860-4ea7-a03e-e0dd0c820a8b/vizio-sv470m-47-inch-1080p-lcd-hdtv-with-120-hz-smooth-motion#13 (http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/dbabf8cb-5860-4ea7-a03e-e0dd0c820a8b/vizio-sv470m-47-inch-1080p-lcd-hdtv-with-120-hz-smooth-motion#13)
(while deal lasts)
I ended up not getting that TV so I'll check out the plasma TVs as well. Weren't there some issues with the screens though?
My 2 cents:
LED is the way to go.
LCD is second runner up (most are edge lit LED anyway)
Plasma needs to just die. In a side to side comparison the color vibrance in plasma sucks compared to LED.
In TV's and electronics, you get what you pay for, and I would steer clear of an off market or generic brand - not that main stream companies don't make a bad product now and again (or that off market companies don't make decent products), but spending that kind of money just feels better when you're happy with whom you chose to purchase it from!!
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 29, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
LED is the way to go.
LCD is second runner up (most are edge lit LED anyway)
with regards to flat panels, it's really
LCD w/ CFL backlight
LCD w/ LED backlight
LCD w/ LED edgelight
Quote from: derby on November 29, 2010, 10:24:16 AM
with regards to flat panels, it's really
LCD w/ CFL backlight
LCD w/ LED backlight
LCD w/ LED edgelight
Why do they have to make it so frigg'n complicated to know what to buy!!! [bang]
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 29, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
My 2 cents:
LED is the way to go.
LCD is second runner up (most are edge lit LED anyway)
Plasma needs to just die. In a side to side comparison the color vibrance in plasma sucks compared to LED.
In TV's and electronics, you get what you pay for, and I would steer clear of an off market or generic brand - not that main stream companies don't make a bad product now and again (or that off market companies don't make decent products), but spending that kind of money just feels better when you're happy with whom you chose to purchase it from!!
Its about color accuracy. Anyone in the industry that knows there stuff would choose plasma any day. Plasmas have more accurate colors and better blacks. The LED's are getting close; unless there is a lot of direct sunlight my customers still get plasmas. I'm an ISF certified video calibrator. There are good LCD's out there but they still look IZ_ to me.
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 29, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
Its about color accuracy. Anyone in the industry that knows there stuff would choose plasma any day. Plasmas have more accurate colors and better blacks. The LED's are getting close; unless there is a lot of direct sunlight my customers still get plasmas. I'm an ISF certified video calibrator. There are good LCD's out there but they still look IZ_ to me.
That's weird. We haven't seen a single plasma screen TV that looked remotely as good or as accurate as an LED/LCD TV in a long long time from any retailer.
The Samsung 8000 is a good plasma. I like how it changes to IZ. I really like the better Panasonic's. Of course a Runco is nice.
They define the plasma so the latest/greatest looks so much better. I would base my decision of plasma vs led/led on how bright the room is. Plasmas have more reflective screens.
Quote from: rgramjet on November 29, 2010, 12:03:37 PM
They define the plasma so the latest/greatest looks so much better. I would base my decision of plasma vs led/led on how bright the room is. Plasmas have more reflective screens.
exactly, but also consider when you will be watching it, because although the plasma has a more reflective screen, the brightness of the LED/LCD tends to wash out colors when compensating for a higher amount of light in a room.
I've got my 50" samsung LCD from 2 years ago that is still just as good as the ones they have today, but is no match for the color accuracy of the new plasmas, especially the 7/8000 level. those things are sweet! (and the 58" one is on my amazon wishlist for anyone who would like to play santa this year)
Wow - I had no idea that plasma was still a viable competitor.
Cool! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 29, 2010, 06:43:45 AMToo many reasons to explain here why the plasma is a better option.
I don't know if anyone can say that without knowing the OP's needs. Is this going to be used in a room that gets tons of sun? Plasma may not be the best choice there.
As far as FHE, my wife and I have an Insignia Plasma 1080 and an Insignia Blu-Ray player. We've had them around a year or so and have no problems to report. We only use it for movies though, but that's because of the whole plasma burn in thing.
JM
you really dont have to worry about burn in on the newer plasmas unless you sit there with the movie paused and left on for 3 days. Tickers and things like that aren't really an issue much anymore [thumbsup]
on a side note:
this is a pretty good deal with free shipping -
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Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 02:52:24 PM
you really dont have to worry about burn in on the newer plasmas unless you sit there with the movie paused and left on for 3 days. Tickers and things like that aren't really an issue much anymore [thumbsup]
OK..those must have been the problems I was hearing about with the plasmas a couple years back.
MrStevens..I have two windows in the kitchen that are facing west in my current townhome. I live in PHX. Obviously, lots of sunlight. It will be shining in but I typically shut the blinds when the TV is on at night.
Quote from: mstevens on November 29, 2010, 02:00:53 PM
I don't know if anyone can say that without knowing the OP's needs. Is this going to be used in a room that gets tons of sun? Plasma may not be the best choice there.
Plasma is better for direct sun viewing? If he is in a high sun area Plasma would be the better choice.
Quote from: JEFF_H on November 29, 2010, 09:26:46 AM
47" Vizio LCD- $599, free shipping
http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/dbabf8cb-5860-4ea7-a03e-e0dd0c820a8b/vizio-sv470m-47-inch-1080p-lcd-hdtv-with-120-hz-smooth-motion#13 (http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/dbabf8cb-5860-4ea7-a03e-e0dd0c820a8b/vizio-sv470m-47-inch-1080p-lcd-hdtv-with-120-hz-smooth-motion#13)
(while deal lasts)
Vizio... meh. Terrible customer service. If you have any problems you are on your own. it may be an LCD and it may be 1080p but I doubt it looks as goos. The panels Vizio uses are a LOT cheaper than those that samsung/panasonic uses.
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 29, 2010, 11:59:38 AM
I like how it changes to IZ.
Yeah, I didn't overlook that!! >:(
IZ - the title of thread has a couple mistakes - what you are looking for are flat panel, not flat screen. Flat screen have been around for 20 years.. And it is lcd not ldc ;D
TV's have gone through a heck of an evolution in the last 10 years. 10 years ago, almost all TV's were disposable. Along came HDTV's that were projection and flat panel plasma for 2000 to 10000 dollars, and the TV repairmen thought they were back in business. Fast forward to today, and TV's are getting so cheap again for the technology, I just assume you will buy it and throw it away when it breaks. That low cost comes in a sacrifice for part replacement and customer service.
Most pictures now a days are so good, it is subjective to try and rank them. Pick out what you like for features and budget [thumbsup] Like I said before though, built in google TV would be on my must have list.
mitt (owner of a several thousand dollar first gen hitachi HDTV that can't believe how cheap things have got)
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 29, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
The panels Vizio uses are a LOT cheaper than those that samsung/panasonic uses.
iirc, vizio uses lg panels.
Quote from: mitt on November 29, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
IZ - the title of thread has a couple mistakes - what you are looking for are flat panel, not flat screen. Flat screen have been around for 20 years.. And it is lcd not ldc ;D
TV's have gone through a heck of an evolution in the last 10 years. 10 years ago, almost all TV's were disposable. Along came HDTV's that were projection and flat panel plasma for 2000 to 10000 dollars, and the TV repairmen thought they were back in business. Fast forward to today, and TV's are getting so cheap again for the technology, I just assume you will buy it and throw it away when it breaks. That low cost comes in a sacrifice for part replacement and customer service.
Most pictures now a days are so good, it is subjective to try and rank them. Pick out what you like for features and budget [thumbsup] Like I said before though, built in google TV would be on my must have list.
mitt (owner of a several thousand dollar first gen hitachi HDTV that can't believe how cheap things have got)
Nit..better yet..Mitt Picker! [cheeky]
I've had flat screens in the past. I currently have two LCD flat panels. I believe they are about 4-5 years old. In the past year, I've noticed each screen has some faded areas in the picture. Hence, the reason for a new TV. The TV I was looking at had an LED/LCD screen. I would like a 46" screen mainly to watch movies. I'd like to keep the purchase <$1K (which would also include the wall mounting system).
i bought my wallmount for my 27" Imac and my 50" LCD from Monoprice.com. ($30 and $50 respectively for the mounts) .... they are great products and super cheap, compared to the similar stuff BB sells for 150-200!
Quote from: IZ on November 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
OK..those must have been the problems I was hearing about with the plasmas a couple years back.
MrStevens..I have two windows in the kitchen that are facing west in my current townhome. I live in PHX. Obviously, lots of sunlight. It will be shining in but I typically shut the blinds when the TV is on at night.
If lots of sunlight, don't go plasma.
I've got the Samsung 58" plasma in my family room. The room gets medium sun and the reflection is annoying. I'll move it downstairs after I finish the basement and replace it with an LED/LCD.
Quote from: derby on November 29, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
iirc, vizio uses lg panels.
I think there are only a couple panel manufactures. Samsung is the 800lb gorilla.
mitt
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
i bought my wallmount for my 27" Imac and my 50" LCD from Monoprice.com. ($30 and $50 respectively for the mounts) .... they are great products and super cheap, compared to the similar stuff BB sells for 150-200!
The living room/dining room and kitchen are a long, rectanglular box. One can't see the screen from the kitchen because it's at a 90* angle. I'm looking for a mount where the TV can be angled out. The fully adjustable mount I saw at BB was $129. Do the wallmounts you have do that D?
Thanks for the heads up on the plasma RG!
Quote from: mitt on November 29, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
I think there are only a couple panel manufactures. Samsung is the 800lb gorilla.
mitt
yup, just a handful... the big difference these days are the video processing/backing electronics.
Quote from: IZ on November 29, 2010, 05:44:21 PM
The living room/dining room and kitchen are a long, rectanglular box. One can't see the screen from the kitchen because it's at a 90* angle. I'm looking for a mount where the TV can be angled out. The fully adjustable mount I saw at BB was $129. Do the wallmounts you have do that D?
Thanks for the heads up on the plasma RG!
why yes, yes it does! depending on the size of the tv you get....
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6199&seq=1&format=2 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=6199&seq=1&format=2)
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all under 60 bucks!
[thumbsup]
Quote from: derby on November 29, 2010, 06:08:03 PM
yup, just a handful... the big difference these days are the video processing/backing electronics.
Once you hit a certain refresh, resolution, and number of colors, the returns diminish. Do you know why electricity is 60Hz in the US and has been for a 100+ years? ;D
mitt
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 29, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
Plasma is better for direct sun viewing? If he is in a high sun area Plasma would be the better choice.
From my direct experience with a plasma, if sunlight is hitting the screen, the only EM waves I see are the ones reflecting off the screen.
I wouldn't buy another plasma. I think they are only still around because they are cheaper to make now, and people who don't know a lot, hear plasma and still think they are some uber-awesome, state-of-the-art TV that you can hang on the wall.
The newest argument is going to be about refresh rate, especially for sports viewing: 120 Hz (now common) versus 240 Hz. Is it worth the extra money, probably not, but a year or so ago, 1080p wasn't worth the extra bucks either.
So an LED or LCD/LED flatpanel with 1080p/240hz is what I want I should be looking for?
Quote from: IZ on November 29, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
So an LED or LCD/LED flatpanel with 1080p/240hz is what I want I should be looking for?
only if you can get a great deal on it. the 240hz is more for sports and fast action movies, but all it does is trick your eyes. Once you get to about 120hz, the human eye can't distinguish the differences in refresh rates. (120/240). the 120hz/1080p is gonna be the best bang for your buck and best picture your eye can handle......
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 09:40:51 PM240hz is more for sports and fast action movies, but all it does is trick your eyes. Once you get to about 120hz, the human eye can't distinguish the differences in refresh rates.
Prices on units 240Hz refresh rates are already starting to drop since 3D displays need 240Hz refresh rates in order to provide 120Hz rates for each eye.
I just picked up a 55" 1080p LCD with locally-dimming LED backlighting, 240Hz refresh, WiFi, 5 HDMI and a range of other connections for under $1,500. I probably could have gotten a display of that size with perfectly decent specs (120Hz, 1080p, no WiFi) for nearly half that in a panel with non-LED lighting or plasma. For my room and my needs, I think this was the right unit at a price I was happy with.
Quote from: Jobu on November 29, 2010, 09:27:59 PM
From my direct experience with a plasma, if sunlight is hitting the screen, the only EM waves I see are the ones reflecting off the screen.
I wouldn't buy another plasma. I think they are only still around because they are cheaper to make now, and people who don't know a lot, hear plasma and still think they are some uber-awesome, state-of-the-art TV that you can hang on the wall.
The newest argument is going to be about refresh rate, especially for sports viewing: 120 Hz (now common) versus 240 Hz. Is it worth the extra money, probably not, but a year or so ago, 1080p wasn't worth the extra bucks either.
no offense Jobu but I think that is a totally ignorant statement. A Plasma is still faster than a 240 hz LCD. Like I keep saying as far as producing the most accurate picture most real A/V professionals will choose Plasma. Look at AVS forum and find out. People want the LED because it is super thin and " Uber Awesome"
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 30, 2010, 05:28:37 AM
no offense Jobu but I think that is a totally ignorant statement. A Plasma is still faster than a 240 hz LCD. Like I keep saying as far as producing the most accurate picture most real A/V professionals will choose Plasma. Look at AVS forum and find out. People want the LED because it is super thin and " Uber Awesome"
Precisely.
My panasonic plasma is 800hz... lets see your LCD touch that!
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 30, 2010, 05:28:37 AM
no offense Jobu but I think that is a totally ignorant statement. A Plasma is still faster than a 240 hz LCD. Like I keep saying as far as producing the most accurate picture most real A/V professionals will choose Plasma. Look at AVS forum and find out. People want the LED because it is super thin and " Uber Awesome"
I never said plasmas sucked. And the technology has improved, but I just wouldn't buy another because I believe the LED (full LED backlight, not edge) is the best technology for home entertainment. Less heat, less energy consumption, more durable, thinner, no glare, and just as good of a picture, especially at 42 inches. Huge screens may still benefit from plasma technology, but I dislike the glossy screen. It is true that individual plasma cells activate and change faster than LCD pixels, but the increased refresh rates of newer LCD screens (120 and 240 Hz) help this a lot.
But I still believe people hear plasma and think of some magically substance (granted, I'm originally from redneckville, USA, where people don't know shit about shit), and I do not believe that's an ignorant statement.
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 30, 2010, 11:18:20 AM
Precisely.
My panasonic plasma is 800hz... lets see your LCD touch that!
Plasma cells activate and deactivate very quickly, reducing the need for a higher refresh rate. It is a different technology though. I'm not sure exactly how they work, but it involves refreshing sub-sections of the screen at the standard 60 hertz, which they combine to get a huge refresh rate. This also helps with the lifespan of plasmas. Plasmas don't need a fast refresh rate though because of the speed of the plasma cells.
A couple thoughts on things I've read since page 2 where I last checked in with this thread. . .
No matter what kind of tv it is, plasma, lcd etc, you can't compare one to another in the store and decide one is better than another.
Period.
It's comparable to test riding a sweet D16rr or 1198s with the wrong ignition timing and fuel map and then saying "this is a crappy bike, who in their right mind would want this?"
TV's in the store have the color and brightness cranked to the max to make them more enticing.
The reason fish like shiny bait is because it works.
To do it right, any tv you buy should be calibrated. There are a lot of adjustments and they all make a difference (some more than others though)
The best way to do this is forget about going to a big box store. Find a local audio/video shop that has a good rep and go there to look at tv's. No only are they specialized in these types of products, if you ever had trouble you can be sure the support will be a lot better with them. Additionally, their price should be negotiable to an extent. They want to make money, sure, but 15% of something is better than 20% of nothing.
Chances are also good their tv's will be calibrated correctly and they'll let you bring in your own media, that you're familiar with, to watch and compare one screen to another.
Window reflection and direct sun will show up on a plasma because of the glass. Beyond that as a consideration, buy whatever is in your budget and looks good to you. 1080p with a 120 or better Hz refresh is all you'll need.
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 01, 2010, 06:58:11 AM
A couple thoughts on things I've read since page 2 where I last checked in with this thread. . .
There can't be better guidance than this.
I was ordering a 40" led samsung from walmart n they dicked me.. after saying it was in stock, next day got an email saying my order was cancled due to supply.. so found an led backlit lcd vizio 42" for 200 cheaper on tigerdirect.com one main reason I like vizio is the actual weight of the tv.. should be here within the week.. funny, being the cable guy I finally got an hdtv after all this time lol..
I used to sell TV's (nearly 9 or so years dealing with TV's and was pretty much right in the middle of the Flat Panel
takeover of the market, the last 2 or so years I was in the Industry I set up my showroom with the LCD TV's seperated
from the Plasma's, Mainly because the LCD's appeared brighter and with more colour, notice I didn't say better colours,
Mainly because the colours on an LCD were not better, they were just set much brighter from Factory, the manufacturers
did this to grab consumers attention, people assume brighter colours = better TV. I used to use a Calibrators demo disc
to show customers the reason why the brighter colours did not always mean better, it had quality HD footage from movies
on it, I used to say to people look at Skin tones, do they look natural and lifelike? the over coloured sets used to make
people look like they had high blood pressure or Sun burnt (Sony and Samsung being the worst offenders at the time)
So take in a DVD or Bluray you know and love and look at Skin tones and look for natural colours, don't be afraid to ask to
adjust the sets.
Shadow detail would also disappear, I had some HD footage that taken in a cave, on the good panels, you could see into
the Shadows, see detail of the rock walls, panels with there brightness set to high (or just low contrast ratio panels) you
just saw black and the detail was gone. again, take in a movie with Dark scenes (The first AVP movie is a good test, lots of dark
scenes, lots of details in the dark shadows, very hard for a lot of TV's to make it out) Watch how the TV handles the dark scenes
do you see detail? or just a dark mess with some moving dark blobs, or worse, no detail at all!
This may be a hard test to check for in a retail environment, a lot of Retail areas are very brightly lit, a lot brighter than you
would ever have at home, so this is another thing to take into consideration when comparing sets.
Also put on some fast moving sport, check for motion blur when people are running or when the Camera pans across a field
for example, some TV's will pixelate and break up quite badly due to there processor not being able to keep up with the action
(LG used to be quite bad for this, although there new sets have been vastly improved in recent years)
I used to sell the different panels to different clients depending on what they needed.
I used to get asked which is best LCD or Plasma? and as I used to say to customers, there is no best, it comes down to
what your TV viewing area and habits are, that will dictate the "Best" option for you.
If a customer was putting there TV in a very bright room with lot's of windows and they watched a lot of TV during the day
LCD was the best option for them.
But, I had customers who owned a townhouse, lots of glass, massive french doors that opened out to the entertainment
area. We sold him a 50" Plasma, Why? because he never watched TV during the day and he wanted the best performance
for Movies and sport when he sat down to watch TV at night. 6 months after I sold him the TV he came in to the store, loved
the set (Panasonic) and was very happy with my convincing him to avoid an LCD (after everyone else told him LCD was his
best option)
So it comes down to what you need, not what every one else thinks you need. look at where and when you watch TV
look at the surroundings, look at the light of the room, look at what you watch. Then choose your TV from there.
Also another thing to consider, the majority of LCD TV's, regardless of Backlight design, now have shiny screens, so they will still
have reflections on them when watching them in a bright room, basically the same amount of reflections as the Plasmas.
so the reflections argument used against Plasma's is now almost a non issue. Also LCD is easier to damage, Plasma
has a glass front, handy with kids around, The plastic fronted LCD's are easier to damage with there plastic/perspex screens.
Don't get me wrong, Plasma is still easy to damage, just a little tougher with if some one bumps into the screen, or if the kids
bump something in to the screen.
Personally I prefer Plasma, but with LCD technology getting so close, the gap between the 2 different technologies has closed
dramatically, and now the LED TV's have closed the gap even more. if my TV blew up tomorrow (Sony 50" CRT Rear projection)
I would not buy another set quite yet, with my wife and only a few months away from buying a house, I would wait and look
at the setup at the new house before making the decision.
Quote from: SpankyDuc on December 04, 2010, 03:36:40 PM
I used to sell TVs
Mainly because the colours on an LCD were not better, they were just set much brighter from Factory, the manufacturers
did this to grab consumers attention, people assume brighter colours = better TV. I used to use a Calibrators demo disc
to show customers the reason why the brighter colours did not always mean better, it had quality HD footage from movies
on it, I used to say to people look at Skin tones, do they look natural and lifelike? the over coloured sets used to make
people look like they had high blood pressure or Sun burnt (Sony and Samsung being the worst offenders at the time)
So take in a DVD or Bluray you know and love and look at Skin tones and look for natural colours, don't be afraid to ask to
adjust the sets.
Shadow detail would also disappear, I had some HD footage that taken in a cave, on the good panels, you could see into
the Shadows, see detail of the rock walls, panels with there brightness set to high (or just low contrast ratio panels) you
just saw black and the detail was gone. again, take in a movie with Dark scenes (The first AVP movie is a good test, lots of dark
scenes, lots of details in the dark shadows, very hard for a lot of TV's to make it out) Watch how the TV handles the dark scenes
do you see detail? or just a dark mess with some moving dark blobs, or worse, no detail at all!
This may be a hard test to check for in a retail environment, a lot of Retail areas are very brightly lit, a lot brighter than you
would ever have at home, so this is another thing to take into consideration when comparing sets.
Also put on some fast moving sport, check for motion blur when people are running or when the Camera pans across a field
for example, some TV's will pixelate and break up quite badly due to there processor not being able to keep up with the action
(LG used to be quite bad for this, although there new sets have been vastly improved in recent years)
I used to sell the different panels to different clients depending on what they needed.
I used to get asked which is best LCD or Plasma? and as I used to say to customers, there is no best, it comes down to
what your TV viewing area and habits are, that will dictate the "Best" option for you.
If a customer was putting there TV in a very bright room with lot's of windows and they watched a lot of TV during the day
LCD was the best option for them.
But, I had customers who owned a townhouse, lots of glass, massive french doors that opened out to the entertainment
area. We sold him a 50" Plasma, Why? because he never watched TV during the day and he wanted the best performance
for Movies and sport when he sat down to watch TV at night. 6 months after I sold him the TV he came in to the store, loved
the set (Panasonic) and was very happy with my convincing him to avoid an LCD (after everyone else told him LCD was his
best option)
So it comes down to what you need, not what every one else thinks you need. look at where and when you watch TV
look at the surroundings, look at the light of the room, look at what you watch. Then choose your TV from there.
Fast moving, skin tones......sounds like porn would make a perfect test disc!
[laugh]
Well, might as well stop this thread now
Its all been said
;D
Yup! I guess it has been. Now that I also have TV in hand.Bought the original 46" LED/LCD since it went down an extra $100 since last weekend! And because we had a friend to transport it! Mount her tomorrow! The TV I mean! :p
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 07:22:50 PM
why yes, yes it does! depending on the size of the tv you get....
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=3725&seq=1&format=2 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=3725&seq=1&format=2)
all under 60 bucks!
Just ordered. It'll be here and installed just in time for Christmas!
Again..thanks for all the help and info guys. It's much appreciated!! :)
Received mount on Monday. Very satisified with the shipping time.
Opened it just now and discovered gouges in the metal.
Disappointed since I wanted to get the TV on the wall prior to Christmas.
Emailing business now. We'll see what they can do to get a new mount to me before the holiday.
Quote from: IZ on December 15, 2010, 09:53:58 PM
Received mount on Monday. Very satisified with the shipping time.
Opened it just now and discovered gouges in the metal.
Disappointed since I wanted to get the TV on the wall prior to Christmas.
Emailing business now. We'll see what they can do to get a new mount to me before the holiday.
Gouges in the bracket that will be covered by the TV being in front of it?
Quote from: hbliam on December 15, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Gouges in the bracket that will be covered by the TV being in front of it?
remember IZ will be normally looking up at it from underneath [cheeky]
Yes. Looks like it may have been used. Not sure how deep they are and if they would affect the integrity of it. I don't want it falling off the wall.
Quote from: IZ on December 16, 2010, 01:09:35 AM
Yes. Looks like it may have been used. Not sure how deep they are and if they would affect the integrity of it. I don't want it falling off the wall.
Post a few pics.