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Recently installed some Woodcraft clipons on my bike in place of another brand. Heres a review and brief tutorial on them.

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Here are the clip-ons. They are two inch raise in this case, but are available in other raise heights or with no raise at all, it depends on your taste.

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One of the things that made the Woodcraft stand out to me versus the other brands is they have a two piece fork clamp. This means you don't have to remove your upper tripple every time you want/have to install or remove them from the bike.

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The next thing that really stands out with these is that they are 3 piece. Most manufacturers would make these plain and secured fully only by the machine screws. Woodcraft makes these with a keyed design which I really like. I makes the fit much firmer and more secure.

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You can see the tolerances are perfect and the fit is very tight.

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I also really liked how they use flat head machine screws so they are recessed and flush,  versus a cap head screw like most manufacturers would use. Be sure to use blue Loctite on the hardware securing the raiser before installing them on the bike.

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The tubes come with a nice bar end in each side, unlike some other manufacturers which don't include any.

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Now moving onto the install. You need you mock up the clip-ons after you have removed your previous bars. When you put the stock controls on the bike you will have two options. To grind down the locating pin or to make holes for it in the tubes. As you can see here the previous owner of my bike chose the lazy way and ground them down.

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If you drill the hole in yours you will need to use a spring loaded punch to mark the spot and then the appropriate sized drill bit to drill the hole.

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Repeat on both sides and get everything mounted. Before tightening down all of the bolts make adjustments to have everything correctly oriented.

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Then tighten the four bolts that secure the fork clamps. There on two on each side and they face different ways per side so you can easily reach the back ones with a L shaped allen.

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Tighten the clamp holding the tubes.

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And you're done! You can see the two inch raise comes just over the upper tripple. It is much more comfortable than a no raise clip-on and still gives that agressive look and feel you get from clip-ons.

For more information on the clip-ons you can click on their logo below,


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/oooverboost/clipons/logo.png) (http://www.woodcraft-cfm.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=OOOX)

I'm using them as well. Zero rise. Love them. I didn't drill them, but the installation was great. Great quality product.

i'm a big woodcraft products fan.  also they put alot into the racing community.  gotta support co's that support the sport. [bacon]

Great write-up, I could definitely see myself going this route and this how-to will be very useful.

no complaints about mine [thumbsup]

I used to have the no-rise version on my 695. Theuy were awesome. The only thing is that they should have come with a. Warning that reads: "Abandon all hope all ye who lean over"

I'm working on getting a set of 2.5 inchers put on my S2R, and I'm thrilled.  Like Atomic said, the Wood family has been in racing for years and all their stuff is designed and manufactured with the real rider in mind.  They're pricey, but well worth every penny.

What do you all reckon is  the rise required to achieve near stock bar height?

I'll likely switch to clipons to allow some adjustable Showa's to fit.
Adjustable sweep backa plus. Not after lower position.

Rizoma hsa a nice piece that incorporates a top triple, which I have to consider.
Stock triple is like a show stopper, but the budget doesn't allow for excess bling.

You may be able to achieve close to the stock height, but they're still going to be set forward a touch.  I got mine in 2.5, and I think they only go up to 3 inches.  Don't have a pic with the triple on, but you be the judge.

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I believe you need near to 4 inches to achieve close to stock.

For an extreme comparo, this is what no-rise looks like


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The 3" Swatt risers put my grips (GRIPS!) a good two inches lower than stock - the answer is that you need + 5 inch risers to end up at stock height. Clip ons put your grip closer (CLOSER!) to you - it just feels like a longer reach when they are also lower.

Rizoma has very little sweep back. Not much more, if any, than stock.

Rob a bank to raise funds for aftermarket triple, or paint the one you've got.

If a person were to do an SBK swap, given those forks are longer than stock and will protrude an extra 35mm or so above the top triple(if keeping the stock geometry), I wonder how much rise one would need to get to stock height with the clipons mounted above the triple, and how many mms one would need to raise the forks on top of that to get adequate clamping area  ??? I suppose there's only one way to find out.

I assume you're talking about testing, but the math is simple. 3 " risers puts the grips 2" under stock height. If the top triple and the clip are roughly 1" each..... over the triple = stock height.

At the most, around 10mm or so of extra protrution - not enough to scare you.

This is from suzyj's SBK swap w/ Woodcrafts:
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Zero rise. Looks good, so only 3mm more fork leg than what would normally be needed above the top triple for an above-triple clipon attachment with SBK forks. I'm assuming the grips are around the stock height, since I don't think she mentioned not using the stock brake lines. Although, I think different brake lines are needed to run the 4-pot brakes she installed.

Doesn't Rizoma make an upper triple/clip on combo that basically clamps the bars right to the top of the triple?  I feel like I've seen that here somewhere.  It put the grips somewhat close to stock height but still gave it a sporty look without the riserbar. 

Ha, found it before I even finished my post.

http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/PA202/Bars-Mirrors/PA202.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/PA202/Bars-Mirrors/PA202.html)

You didn't even have to dig very deep, it was mentioned a couple of times in this thread...
Rough night?  ;D

Just for reference, M800, SBK forks (1" above triple), Cycle Cat clip-ons (2-1/2" from bottom of clamp to center of handlebar),
Stock Height  :)
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27788.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27788.0)

Hmmm... maybe, but just maybe - and only if the clip on bars, as it seems, are adjusted to less down angle than regular clip ons. Cycle Cat had that feature and I think SpeedyMoto TallBoys do too. It's the down angle that makes it so hard to calculate the result at the grips.

I have no idea what you're talking about :)

There's always these:

http://www.shopmotorcycleonlinestore.com/ConvertiBARS-CONVERTIBARS-detail.htm?productId=8450703 (http://www.shopmotorcycleonlinestore.com/ConvertiBARS-CONVERTIBARS-detail.htm?productId=8450703)

Super functional, but god are they ugly.  It would be cool to jack them up for a long ride and then set them down into the triple for your spirited runs though.

Okay, this may be from midget only perspective, but GOD DAMN those clip-ons were evil! Of course, the first time I ever rode with them involved about 4 hours of straight to get started!

Sorry to thread jack but I'm finding  some excellent info here.

Jarvicious - that is the Rizoma triple/clamp combo I was thinking of. Stopintime's comment
about sweepback, plus the limited height adjustments, has me rethinking that.

Woodcrafts mounted above the triple, using some small risers, might be the ticket.
Would also allow me to defer replacing the stock triple, I'll likely be tearing the works apart
at a later date anyway to rework the forks, that's another thread.

Jeff - thanks for the info on your install. Can you tell me what the rise on the Cycle Cat clip-ons was?
Woodcraft measures from top of fork clamp to top of bar, your 2.5" was from bottom of clamp to center of bar. (or, what's the CC clamp thickness?)

Needless to say, plenty to consider, thanks all.

seevtsaab,

My clip-ons are the Cycle Cat DBR-1 kit, 53mm bore for SBK forks.  From the bottom of the fork clamp to centerline of the bar is about 2-1/2".  Measuring to the top of the bar clamp (ignoring the bump for the cap screws), it's about 3-1/8".  The actual bar clamp thickness is about 0.18"

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As stopintime mentioned, the CC bar clamp has a "down angle" built into it.  But the inboard end of the handle bar is also machined to provide additional angle adjustment, so in effect, the bar is "bent" a few degrees, so when you spin it in the clamp the outboard end has additional height and angle adjustment.

Jeff

The grips are about 2" lower, 2" further forward, and 1" inboard of the stock position.  I used stock brake and clutch lines (a set of lines came with the 4 pot calipers).  Getting the brake and clutch lines to work was a bit of a pain.

suzyj, I also used the stock M800 brake and clutch lines, and I agree, getting all of the hydraulic and electrical routing to work took a lot of time.  The clip-ons and bars only took a couple hours, but trial and error routing (and re-routing) the lines took the rest of the day.

I think those of us who've gone with SBK forks should compare notes, take some new pictures of the extra gory details like brake/clutch/throttle/electrical routing, and compile it into a dedicated thread.

Jeff

Has anyone compared the regular Speedymotos with the Woodcraft product?  I like the looks of the Speedymoto, as well as their bent bar design.  At $100 more per pair, I have to wonder what you get for the extra bank.

Could one solution be Woodcraft clip-ons with Speedymoto bars?  You'd still be $50 under the Speedy set, yet retain all of its functionality.   

The SpeedyMoto TallBoys will be higher.
They will also be closer to you because they mount on the outside.
Because they are closer, usually they don't allow full sweep back angle without severly limiting the steering stops.

Sorry, but by regular speedymoto I meant the standard version, not the tallboys.