just f'n great. Help desk just got outsourced to india. Next on chopping block, developers. Time to look again before axe falls. This would make it my third job due to f'n outsourcing. I just don't get this anymore.
[bang]
have to move to India for job security!! [thumbsup]
Sorry to hear
The strange thing is I can't find a developer worth a damn in the U.S., let alone offshored development shacks.
What kind of developer are you and where are you based out of? We haven't stopped hiring in 8 years and always need quality developers. You can take a look at www.hugeinc.com/careers (//http://) and see if you fit anything listed there if you have any interest.
Honestly though, if you're not in the creative side of the business (even as a developer), outsourcing is a very real threat to your job. Corporate IT is far from a safe place to be these days.
Sorry to hear. It is happening everywhere, not just IT. We have shipped mfg'n jobs first, then supplier base, then quality engineer, now design engineering, and I imagine within 5 years our lab and test engineering.
In my 10+ years of experience, the true cost savings are rarely realized due to higher maintenance, turnover, security, costs plus decreased efficiency & competency. But, the cost per hour is low, and that is what the superficial bidness people like.
mitt
Quote from: ab on January 04, 2011, 07:23:37 PM
...Help desk just got outsourced to india....
gotta love the "help" desk where you cant understand the person who is providing the help..[bang]
/rant off
Hey we even have a new NBC TV sitcom now called "Outsourced"....
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/outsourced-cancel-keep-18725-18725/ (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/outsourced-cancel-keep-18725-18725/)
we are all supposed to chuckle and laugh about the devastation of employment in the US and indifferent destruction of our quality of life through "off-shoring"
Oh it is so Ha-ha-ha funneeeee!
Customer Service quality goes down the toilet, jobs go down the toilet...families go down the toilet
all because some corporate pinhead XLS bean-counters saw a false economizing measure they could implement
Post-Cold War Globalism is flattening our quality of life....
and to think we were all taught that the triumph of Democracy and Capitalism were going to raise the quality of life in the rest of the world to our benchmark standards...didn't pan-out that way
Talk about a Tone Deaf media culture thinking we can be fed this crap and be convinced we are enjoying it...investigative journalism has yielded/been silenced in favor of the latest on Britney Spears and Brad Pitt.... we are being propagandized and anesthetized by corporate-owned information services
Oh yeah "Save Darfur"....what about saving the old couple down the street living on dog food so they can afford their medications?
Oh wait!!! Free Markets!! What happened to "free markets" when that old couple found out they could buy the same meds from Canada at 1/10th the cost...? well that got make the beast with two backsing shut down fast
back on that dog food you geezers...Big Pharma needs its profits
The role of government in the US was to protect the interests of OUR society, the individual and defend the environment that allowed "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"....well that role has been eclipsed,
At best our government is like some weak Company Union in a business that has automated and does not need the manpower anymore....the Union management votes itself fat raises from the dues-payers and then "negotiates" give-backs and jobs to the Corporate Masters.
You can vote all you want for the republicrat of your choosing...you are not voting for anything that will change the "larger fix" that is in-progress
So if you want a sketch of the model...go back and study the pre-Civil War plantation system....you are the field slave ,
your government is the Big House slave telling you things will get better...
and Massah is really in charge "looking out for all of us" trying to get good money for his cotton crop ...
so shut up and smile so things don't get worse
I want my 40 acres and a mule
This is not Global socialism, it is not Global free-market capitalism and it is not Global communism....you really want to know who won the Cold War????....
Global Feudalism...
Rat is pretty much on track unfortunately.
Warrens oversimplified observations of government:
1. Governmant is a tool for the powerful
2. Government is a sideshow for the weakminded
3. Government is a welfare organization for a select group of feckless and morally bankrupt people.
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 05, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
Rat is pretty much on track unfortunately.
Warrens oversimplified observations of government:
1. Governmant is a tool for the powerful
2. Government is a sideshow for the weakminded
3. Government is a welfare organization for a select group of feckless and morally bankrupt people.
The gubment is the HR dept...... and everybody knows, sales are best driven when the employee handbook is 124,098,564,00 pages thick and written in 48 languages.
Look on the brightside....... when the US becomes a third world nation, they'll outsource the jobs back here. ;)
Quote from: WarrenJ on January 05, 2011, 01:48:02 AM
Rat is pretty much on track unfortunately.
Warrens oversimplified observations of government:
1. Governmant is a tool for the powerful
2. Government is a sideshow for the weakminded
3. Government is a welfare organization for a select group of feckless and morally bankrupt people.
+1
>:(
Quote from: RAT900 on January 04, 2011, 10:25:14 PM
Hey we even have a new NBC TV sitcom now called "Outsourced"....
http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/outsourced-cancel-keep-18725-18725/ (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/outsourced-cancel-keep-18725-18725/)
we are all supposed to chuckle and laugh about the devastation of employment in the US and indifferent destruction of our quality of life through "off-shoring"
Oh it is so Ha-ha-ha funneeeee!
Customer Service quality goes down the toilet, jobs go down the toilet...families go down the toilet
all because some corporate pinhead XLS bean-counters saw a false economizing measure they could implement
Post-Cold War Globalism is flattening our quality of life....
and to think we were all taught that the triumph of Democracy and Capitalism were going to raise the quality of life in the rest of the world to our benchmark standards...didn't pan-out that way
Talk about a Tone Deaf media culture thinking we can be fed this crap and be convinced we are enjoying it...investigative journalism has yielded/been silenced in favor of the latest on Britney Spears and Brad Pitt.... we are being propagandized and anesthetized by corporate-owned information services
Oh yeah "Save Darfur"....what about saving the old couple down the street living on dog food so they can afford their medications?
Oh wait!!! Free Markets!! What happened to "free markets" when that old couple found out they could buy the same meds from Canada at 1/10th the cost...? well that got make the beast with two backsing shut down fast
back on that dog food you geezers...Big Pharma needs its profits
The role of government in the US was to protect the interests of OUR society, the individual and defend the environment that allowed "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"....well that role has been eclipsed,
At best our government is like some weak Company Union in a business that has automated and does not need the manpower anymore....the Union management votes itself fat raises from the dues-payers and then "negotiates" give-backs and jobs to the Corporate Masters.
You can vote all you want for the republicrat of your choosing...you are not voting for anything that will change the "larger fix" that is in-progress
So if you want a sketch of the model...go back and study the pre-Civil War plantation system....you are the field slave ,
your government is the Big House slave telling you things will get better...
and Massah is really in charge "looking out for all of us" trying to get good money for his cotton crop ...
so shut up and smile so things don't get worse
I want my 40 acres and a mule
This is not Global socialism, it is not Global free-market capitalism and it is not Global communism....you really want to know who won the Cold War????....
Global Feudalism...
Massah has a big red button........quick put a smiley in there.....he is sometimes calmed by the smiley! He must still be sleepin.
Nicely said BTW. +1
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2648/3831713734_089475e450.jpg)
I don't really think there's any way this topic can be discussed without becoming as political as Rat just pointed out that it really is.
I'll give it 15 more minutes.
Ain't it a lovely mornin??
;D
It really is more economic than political
politics never get in the way of profits...
not for long at least if they try
perhaps more of a social/moral issue than anything
SO...how bout that generic sports team that did that thing last night....
Quote from: RAT900 on January 05, 2011, 04:58:58 AM
It really is more economic than political
politics never get in the way of profits...
not for long at least if they try
perhaps more of a social/moral issue than anything
Can you really separate them in this case?
It's very complex as you realize.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 05, 2011, 05:03:57 AM
Can you really separate them in this case?
It's very complex as you realize.
Unfortunately you're right...most people lapse into the red herring arguments of party politics...they are taught to do that
Quote from: zooom on January 05, 2011, 05:00:27 AM
SO...how bout that generic sports team that did that thing last night....
Unbelievable....did you see how he kicked that pass at the forty yard line right over third base and slid home between the uprights....and right at the bottom half of the 4th set in the last inning....
Go Generics!!!!
Quote from: RAT900 on January 05, 2011, 05:05:31 AM
Unfortunately you're right...most people lapse into the red herring arguments of party politics...they are taught to do that
We're trained to do lots of things.
Some train better than others.
Quote from: zooom on January 05, 2011, 05:00:27 AM
SO...how bout that generic sports team that did that thing last night....
So we go from politics to off-topic?
That wasn't my point.
Ahh make the beast with two backs it.
5 more minutes
Quote from: RAT900 on January 05, 2011, 05:07:55 AM
Unbelievable....did you see how he kicked that pass at the forty yard line right over third base and slid home between the uprights....and right at the bottom half of the 4th set in the last inning....Go Generics!!!!
yeah man...that 3 pointer homerun ace was awesome after the knockout foul on the catcher goalie that previously defended that hat trick!
hey....at least sports themselves aren't outsourced, even though some of the players are....
Yeah man...I'm headed over to FaceBook now to catch the buzz on the game!! I think the clip of that one play is going viral
I had to copy paste this from a memo that went around a year ago... Maybe it will get a chuckle to help offset the anger...
WHY I'M DEPRESSED
Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, “Pick up your shovels,
mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land.â€
Nearly 75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said “Lay down your shovels,
sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land.â€
Today, the government has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels,
and mortgaged the Promised Land! I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans,
the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement, etc… I called a Suicide Hotline.
I had to press 1 for English. I was then connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal.
They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck…