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Title: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 07, 2011, 07:01:47 AM I posted this years ago on TOB, just needed to reference it and thought it would be handy info to have over here:
Quote from: me circa 2007 I bought a red seat cowl off of fleaBay a few weeks ago to put on my 695 Dark. It was obviously going to need paint. Dark owners looking for a 9/10 paint match for Dark paint, use Duplicolor Perfect Match BUN0090 - Universal Blk Metallic. The metallic isn't a perfect match (the flake is a little larger), but the seat cowl looks perfect to everyone other than the most critical person. I used 600 grit sandpaper (dry) to knock the gloss off the red paint, hit it with Duplicolor Adhesion Promoter (use their Self-Etching Primer for metal), a few coats of sandable black primer, hit that with some high grit (wet), then finished it off with the BUN0090. The sun exaggerates the color difference a bit, but the match is VERY close. Maybe not a solution for parts that are right next to a factory Dark part, but the only people that noticed on mine were people that I pointed it out to. Duplicolor Cowl (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2153.jpg) Dark Tank - You can see, not a perfect match, but DAMN close. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2154.jpg) A few shots of the bike from various angles... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2155.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2152.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2150.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2156.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/IMG_2157.jpg) Update: Valspar Satin Clear which is available at Lowe's is the PERFECT finish for Dark paint matching. It applies very easily and uniformly. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/DarkMatch.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Trailtech/DarkCowl.jpg) Side note - it's amazing to look at old pics of my bike. I barely recognize it. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: dgm on January 07, 2011, 07:15:46 AM nice... as another reference, the harley davidson Black Denim spray cans is pretty good too. It's expensive, but it's good paint. I only know because my other bike is a harley in black denim and I've rattlecanned some stuff on it.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Monster Dave on January 07, 2011, 08:27:30 AM That's pretty close. To the casual eye, one might not even notice the difference.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 07, 2011, 08:30:40 AM Yeah, it isn't perfect enough to paint a part that will be adjacent to a factory part, but for a $6 rattle can job, it works.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: dark_duc on January 08, 2011, 11:10:33 AM Great to know, was wanting to put a cowl on my Dark and wondering about some cheap alternatives for the paint. Thanks! [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 08, 2011, 12:39:31 PM May have found the missing link... Valspar Satin Clear is drying with a similar gloss as Dark... pics once it cures.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: BoDiddley on January 08, 2011, 09:31:15 PM May have found the missing link... Valspar Satin Clear is drying with a similar gloss as Dark... pics once it cures. Another good source for rattle cans are the automotive paint supply shop. You can give them anything to match to and they put the actual automotive whatever brand you want in a spray can. Cost a bit more but it is premium auto paint. Or at least you can at my local shop. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: speedknot on January 09, 2011, 06:07:43 PM Another good source for rattle cans are the automotive paint supply shop. You can give them anything to match to and they put the actual automotive whatever brand you want in a spray can. Cost a bit more but it is premium auto paint. Or at least you can at my local shop. Mmmm... I'll have to check that out. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: COP TZR on January 09, 2011, 06:46:02 PM did it cure yet? Waiting to see the final pics. I have an original "dark" seat cowl, but my tank has been resprayed in the past by the prev. owner and its not quite the right shade. Looks a little too glossy. The dark paint seems a little more matte in sheen. I might just send the tank and seat cowl to get repainted and maybe do a color change.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 10, 2011, 06:00:19 AM (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f53/monkeydudesf/cat_its_beautiful.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Black%20Betty/DarkMatch.jpg) Honestly I'd call it a 98% match. It's slightly 'more dark' than Dark but the gloss is absolutely spot on. I had work done yesterday by a long-time Ducati tech and he thought it was factory paint. I can't speak professionally about the quality of the Duplicolor paint, but the seat cowl was painted four years ago and it hadn't faded a bit and any scratches that were on it would have been on a factory paint job as well. The Valspar clear seems very hard and dries extremely uniformly. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 10, 2011, 10:33:46 AM Here is my windscreen painted with this process, which was the reason I had to look up the old thread to begin with. Hope it helps plenty of folks out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Trailtech/DarkCowl.jpg) Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on January 11, 2011, 06:24:45 AM Finally fixed my horribly faded SSR gas cap last night. It started anondized black, then in seven days faded to orange. Seven friggin days. SSR's response was "well, you could get it re-anonidzed somewhere locally". Awesome customer service guys, just awesome... yeesh.
So I painted it. This should give you an idea just how close a match this is. Painted the surround silver then shot it with the satin clear to match the gloss. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/theartfuldubber/Trailtech/WindTestFit3.jpg) Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: shortbus on May 23, 2011, 05:37:44 AM I'm so glad i found this thread, landed a cheap-o fiberglass cowl on ebay and figured i'd paint it to match my 620 Dark, did the BUN0090 thing (btw, don't remove the little white bit on the spray can nozzle thinking it's just a cap and spray without it, that makes a bloody mess).
Here's my cowl result, only did 2 coats (not counting wiping off the original runny mess and re-sanding down) and don't plan on clear coating since it'll get stickered soon enough after it gets a chance to cure (I figure a couple weeks?). It's way better than I ever expected I'd achieve ;D Anyway as gratitude to OP I'll throw pics. Thanks again Artful! (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo-1.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo3-1.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo4.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo2.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo1-1.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo6-1.jpg) (http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/wapatchah/photo5.jpg) Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on May 23, 2011, 05:42:30 AM No sweat, glad I could help [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Xzebet on May 23, 2011, 09:46:39 AM Really have been looking for a spray paint that would be close to the real Dark and you guys found it. Now I just have to figure out how I can find a can in Finland. ???
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: legotti on May 24, 2011, 02:57:45 AM what exhaust is that?
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on May 24, 2011, 03:18:58 AM We actually both have the old style Ducati Performance megaphones from the look of it. I painted mine black except for the tips, his is still chrome. They're tough to track down but it's the best looking exhaust for the bike IMHO.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: shortbus on May 24, 2011, 04:16:27 AM Xzebet, would love to help you out with the spray cans from the US but advanceauto.com won't ship internationally, and I know there are TONS of restrictions on shipping spray cans of any type... sorry :-\
Yes those are Ducati Performance megaphones and mine are still chromed although I've REALLY wanted to paint em black. The things are SO freakin loud I giggle whenever I read about riders get most hearing damage from wind noise in the helmets ;D Artful, not to hijack your thread, but how did you paint yours? Did you worry about having the chrome stripped off first or did ya rattle can those too? I also thought those cans would look awesome wrapped in black header wrap but am worried it'll corrode them to heck... Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on May 24, 2011, 04:47:41 AM I used a scotchbrite pad to scuff up the surface then went to town with BBQ paint. Three years later they could use a repaint but still look great overall. If I were to do it over again I'd find something to put on the end of a drill, chrome is a pregnant dog to scuff over a large surface.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: shortbus on May 24, 2011, 04:56:15 AM awesome, I was looking to see if someone had done it that way and how it's held up. Maybe that'll be my next project. 8)
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Xzebet on May 24, 2011, 09:45:48 AM Xzebet, would love to help you out with the spray cans from the US but advanceauto.com won't ship internationally, and I know there are TONS of restrictions on shipping spray cans of any type... sorry :-\ Yes those are Ducati Performance megaphones and mine are still chromed although I've REALLY wanted to paint em black. The things are SO freakin loud I giggle whenever I read about riders get most hearing damage from wind noise in the helmets ;D Artful, not to hijack your thread, but how did you paint yours? Did you worry about having the chrome stripped off first or did ya rattle can those too? I also thought those cans would look awesome wrapped in black header wrap but am worried it'll corrode them to heck... No problem, not your fault. But thanks a lot!! [bow_down] [bow_down] Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: ddn on June 10, 2011, 08:53:45 AM I'm not super impressed with this match. I used it on my headlight trim ring, and it is MUCH more sparkly than the stock dark paint. I haven't decided yet if I'll stick with it, or go to a regular black.
I'd call it more like an 80% match. Granted, my part is right next to a factory part, but it is pretty far off in my opinion. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on June 10, 2011, 01:21:08 PM Have you applied the satin clear? Without it the difference is quite obvious. There definitely is a flake difference, but even next to factory paint it takes a long glance to notice a difference.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: cooper1076 on June 11, 2011, 02:36:11 PM Hello Artful, I like the look of the paint scheme you have used but have a few questions. Can you list the process and ingredients individually? Initially it reads that you used a BUN0090 a few years ago and then you updated stating that the Valspar Satin Clear is now what you use.
I went to Lowes and got a Valspar Satin Matte Black paint and a primer but now that I reread this it seems that isn't what you used. Is the following correct? 600 grit sandpaper Dry Adhesion promoter? (could not find) Self Etching Primer Black (I bought Gray, that's all they had) 600 grit wet 2-3 coats paint, BUN0090 1 clear coat. Valspar. Anyway great thread, I am really curious to try this and see what happens. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Artful on June 13, 2011, 04:53:36 PM Hello Artful, I like the look of the paint scheme you have used but have a few questions. Can you list the process and ingredients individually? Initially it reads that you used a BUN0090 a few years ago and then you updated stating that the Valspar Satin Clear is now what you use. I went to Lowes and got a Valspar Satin Matte Black paint and a primer but now that I reread this it seems that isn't what you used. Is the following correct? 600 grit sandpaper Dry Adhesion promoter? (could not find) Self Etching Primer Black (I bought Gray, that's all they had) 600 grit wet 2-3 coats paint, BUN0090 1 clear coat. Valspar. Anyway great thread, I am really curious to try this and see what happens. The only change with the paint is that the manufacturer's model number changed, it's the same paint. For clarity the entire process I used: FOR METAL: - Scuff off gloss with 000 gauge steel wool - Clean with Duplicolor Surface Prep Spray - 2 coats of self-etching primer - wet sand with 800 grit sandpaper - 3 color coats - wet sand with 1000 grit - 2 coats of Valspar Satin Clear FOR PLASTIC: - Scuff off gloss with 000 steel wool - Clean with Duplicolor Surface Prep Spray - 1 coat of Duplicolor Adhesion Promoter (found at all Advance Auto, Autozone, and Pep Boys stores) - 3 color coats - wet sand with 1000 grit - 2 coats of Valspar Satin Clear NOTES: the Valspar Satin Clear is proving to be a little prone to scratching on the cowl. Rocks (especially ones motivated by the sheer force of DRKWNG's Super Duke) are prone to dinging up the surface a bit. No issues on the seat fairing, but anything out front will take some abuse. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: The ModFather on August 31, 2012, 05:01:52 AM awaken ye thread of old...
last posts on this thread seemed to question the durability of the Valsapr Clear Coat. I'm looking at doing a front fender in Matte Black which will probably get lots of things thrown at it. Is there another clear coat option that's less prone to scratching? I'm also debating just getting the pricey colorrite and 3rd party matte clear coat if there's a good one. The two together from colorrite would run over $70. I could handle dropping the $38 for the aerosol flat black but would rather pay less for a clear coat if I could find a good one. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: The ModFather on August 31, 2012, 07:14:57 AM Satin Clear Coat? Not Flat Clear Coat? Anyone try Flat Clear Coat.
Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: ducpainter on August 31, 2012, 07:20:51 AM Darks are not flat.
Satin is a bit glossier...eggshell a bit flatter. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: Blue on August 31, 2012, 09:08:47 AM Here is what I did with rattle cans for less than $15.
Re: DIY Painting Tips (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=29.msg727721#msg727721) The paint on the front fender is from the factory; the tank is what I resprayed. Of course, gas on a gas tank painted with rattle cans can lead to no paint on gas tank if gas gets on the gas tank. <--sorry made me laugh on Friday. If you want a tough, long lasting paint job, listen to ducpainter as he does this stuff for a living. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: The ModFather on September 03, 2012, 07:16:18 AM Okay so I F'd up... need some direction here...
Here's what I did... steel wool to remove the gloss... 600 Sandpaper (dry) Plastic Primer 2 coats Two coats of Valsapr spray paint satin. Let it dry and to be honest wasnt crazy about the texture not sure if that was due to the primer but it wasnt that noticeable just a little grainy looking when examined closely. Was going to add the clear coat but I grabbed the primer cause the two cans looked almost the same so I ended up putting a coat of primer on top of my spray paint. :-X I noticed it was going on kinda white instead of clear which was when I looked at the can and said "DOH!!!" What do I do here? Paint again over the primer? Wet Sand down then repaint? Strip it all off with Gas and start all over again? Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: The ModFather on September 03, 2012, 08:29:09 AM Update!!
The primer dried clear and just seemed to make it less glossy which I actually wanted. I'm thinking just clear coat now with satin. It actually looks great. :o. Any issues with putting the clear coat over primer over paint. Title: Re: Rattlecan Dark Paint Match (~90%) Post by: The ModFather on September 03, 2012, 09:49:19 AM Well guess what... dont put clear coat on top of primer. It went from looking good to looking like it's covered with a white powder. Damn. I cant get a break here. I really need some advice here cause I'm just f'ing this thing up left and right.
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