Are either one of these worth the money? Or, can I intall both? Or, both plus my TFI controller or a PC III?
http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html (http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html)
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg)
Thanks for all answers ...
The cable upgrade is usually worth it.
What does the other thing supposedly do?
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 06:44:09 AM
The cable upgrade is usually worth it.
What does the other thing supposedly do?
From what Chris told me, it's like a MSD for the bike ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 06:45:36 AM
From what Chris told me, it's like a MSD for the bike ...
So a hotter spark kind of thing?
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
So a hotter spark kind of thing?
Sort of, here's a copy/paste of email, "The AG Hammer power pulse box is a capacitor designed to smooth the
bike's +12V system while the
bike is running. The theory is that it helps feed the ignition coils
by supplying more juice when the coils need them." ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
Sort of, here's a copy/paste of email, "The AG Hammer power pulse box is a capacitor designed to smooth the
bike's +12V system while the
bike is running. The theory is that it helps feed the ignition coils
by supplying more juice when the coils need them." ...
The 620's have been known to be plug foulers.
If you have that issue then it might help.
IMO it would be better to have your injection set up properly first if there is a qualified tech nearby. The other FI Monsters of that vintage run the same ignition without issues. If you still have a problem after that then give it a try.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:02:06 AM
The 620's have been known to be plug foulers.
If you have that issue then it might help.
IMO it would be better to have your injection set up properly first if there is a qualified tech nearby. The other FI Monsters of that vintage run the same ignition without issues. If you still have a problem after that then give it a try.
Nate,
Remember my posting about exploding and flames ... New Iridium plugs, barely 1000kms, damaged, fouled ... Tech, the only one I know is writing this post as of now ... An Autotechnician .... Not a Ducati tech ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 07:04:49 AM
Nate,
Remember my posting about exploding and flames ... New Iridium plugs, barely 1000kms, damaged, fouled ... Tech, the only one I know is writing this post as of now ... An Autotechnician .... Not a Ducati tech ...
Have you ever used an exhaust gas analyzer on it?
Synched the throttle bodies?
Adjusted the air bleeds?
All that should be done prior to adding devices.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:06:56 AM
Have you ever used an exhaust gas analyzer on it?
Synched the throttle bodies?
Adjusted the air bleeds?
All that should be done prior to adding devices.
Before I added the TFi controller the bike went for the 10 000kms service ... trim was set at 24 to stop popping while descelerating ... after TFI, I took it to a shop that has gas analyzer ... it was withing spec 8~12% at idle, 2500rpm for 30secs and 4000rpm for 15secs ...
Then suddenly one day .. pop pop pop .... worst than a 2 stroke ... Now down here it's me, the forum and all the help I can get online ... I know the one mechanic and former service manager from the dealer have open shop somewhere, but, the Duc owners here are so snobby that if you don't own a S*R model or SBK ... you're not welcome in their circle ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 07:11:45 AM
Before I added the TFi controller the bike went for the 10 000kms service ... trim was set at 24 to stop popping while descelerating ... after TFI, I took it to a shop that has gas analyzer ... it was withing spec 8~12% at idle, 2500rpm for 30secs and 4000rpm for 15secs ...
Then suddenly one day .. pop pop pop .... worst than a 2 stroke ... Now down here it's me, the forum and all the help I can get online ... I know the one mechanic and former service manager from the dealer have open shop somewhere, but, the Duc owners here are so snobby that if you don't own a S*R model or SBK ... you're not welcome in their circle ...
8-12% sounds too high, but I may be wrong.
Since you removed the TFI have the symptoms gone away?
My buddy ducvet has a theory that if all of a sudden the bike develops a problem 99% of the time it was the last thing touched. He's been proven correct 99% of the time.
8-12% is rich. 4-6% would be better. This should be set with the TFI disconnected.
http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html (http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html)
Good stuff, but I can't imagine why you would need this in Panama
I agree with Nate about
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg)
Get TPS, CO, CO balance (air bleeds) and synch right first. I have no FHE about that product, but would probably go with Chris's "Exact Fit coils" first. Call Chris and get his opinion.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 07:23:06 AM
8-12% sounds too high, but I may be wrong.
Since you removed the TFI have the symptoms gone away?
My buddy ducvet has a theory that if all of a sudden the bike develops a problem 99% of the time it was the last thing touched. He's been proven correct 99% of the time.
The 8~12% was in the 'green' area of the display ... it goes to 15% .. he had no exact # for Ducati or any other bike ... it was a favor, it costed $0.00 ... TFI is no longer installed since the failure happened bout 15miles form home I yanked it off ... Problem is not 100% gone, still get some missfires, we only have 91 oct and 95oct[US rating sytem], MY bike wont work with 91 ... starts doing what's being doing and it only has been fed 95 ...
Quote from: howie on January 29, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
8-12% is rich. 4-6% would be better. This should be set with the TFI disconnected.
http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html (http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html)
Good stuff, but I can't imagine why you would need this in Panama
I agree with Nate about
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/ag_902173.jpg)
Get TPS, CO, CO balance (air bleeds) and synch right first. I have no FHE about that product, but would probably go with Chris's "Exact Fit coils" first. Call Chris and get his opinion.
The 8~12% was in the 'green' area of the display ... it goes to 15% .. he had no exact # for Ducati or any other bike ... it was a favor, it costed $0.00 ...
TFI is no longer installed since the failure happened bout 15miles form home I yanked it off ...
Humidity + Salty air + lots of rain = lots of corrosoin ...
Well, I'll need to purchase lots of tools ... hand and other type ...
I quoted Chris on the AGHammer pulse box about 6 or 7 post above ...
Due to this failure, I've got fuel mix with freshly poured, last 3 liters of Shell Advance 10W40 ... Repsol is out of 10W40 till end of March, Bellray doens't import 10W40, Castrol only 'grey imports' 20W50 no Amsoil or Rimula diesel[US spec] available. Mobil's importer doesn't even care about bikes ... Remaining available oils, 20W50 in, mineral, semi and full synth ... too thick for APTC clutch ... To import oil, no matter how much quantity, I need to pay $400.00 fee due to 'HazMat'
You shouldn't need 91 or 95. The Ducs in the states run best on 87.
When you say misfire do you mean popping on decel?
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 08:09:37 AM
You shouldn't need 91 or 95. The Ducs in the states run best on 87.
When you say misfire do you mean popping on decel?
OK, here we only have 91 and 95 ... MY Duc don't like 91 starts 'sputering' and missfires a lot more ...
Yes, I do get an occasional, brrpbrp ... while riding between 3500~4500rpm ... never has left me since I got the bike ...
No, when I mean missfire I mean missfire, and when decel, pop pop thru air box ... and little flames thru exhausts ... like a race bike ... compression was at 175 lbs ... I don't know how to read non metric gauges ... I get messed up
I think you have a problem that the device isn't going to fix.
You need to set up your injection first and go from there.
Do they use ethanol fuel in Panama?
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 09:12:13 AM
I think you have a problem that the device isn't going to fix.
You need to set up your injection first and go from there.
Do they use ethanol fuel in Panama?
No, no ethanol ... venezuelan fuel ...
Can anyone tell me where to get a Matthesis? ... or some diagnosis tool for my Gina?
Do a search Carlos. There have been a bunch of threads regarding the different options.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 10:02:11 AM
Do a search Carlos. There have been a bunch of threads regarding the different options.
I'm doing that ... just that ... with everything that's going down here ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
I'm doing that ... just that ... with everything that's going down here ...
call Chris about the VDSTS...
You kind of need access to an EGA also.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
call Chris about the VDSTS...
You kind of need access to an EGA also.
EGA ...
D'Uh ... Got access to one for free ... but, will contact LT to see if he still has the Gunson unit available ...
Carlos, 8% is richer than 12:1 air fuel ratio, 12 is surely off the charts, like I said, much too rich. Been that way the whole 40 some odd years of my automotive experience. Bet your plugs are nice and sooty in a few hundred miles. 4% is about 13:1.
If LT doesn't have the Gunson google will find one for you.
Quote from: howie on January 29, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Carlos, 8% is richer than 12:1 air fuel ratio, 12 is surely off the charts, like I said, much too rich. Been that way the whole 40 some odd years of my automotive experience. Bet your plugs are nice and sooty in a few hundred miles. 4% is about 13:1.
If LT doesn't have the Gunson google will find one for you.
OK, but why then those percentages where in the 'green zone'? It's and EGA that I've never used, Made in PRC ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
OK, but why then those percentages where in the 'green zone'? It's and EGA that I've never used, Made in PRC ...
Because it was made in PRC? :P
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 03:05:59 PM
Because it was made in PRC? :P
I mean, accuracy ... don't know, values shown where in 'green zone' and user manual said, 'values in green zone are considered OK" .. not verbatim, but, you get the idea ...
I'll see when I come back if I can get my hands on the Bosch EGA, the BEA350 ...but, how do I do it, it has only one hose and my bike has two exhuast pipes ... ???
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
I mean, accuracy ... don't know, values shown where in 'green zone' and user manual said, 'values in green zone are considered OK" .. not verbatim, but, you get the idea ...
I'll see when I come back if I can get my hands on the Bosch EGA, the BEA350 ...but, how do I do it, it has only one hose and my bike has two exhuast pipes ... ???
The one my tech uses has two connections I think...and he puts them in the ports in the pipe not the mufflers.
Remember the exhaust has a crossover that connects to the mufflers.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
OK, but why then those percentages where in the 'green zone'? It's and EGA that I've never used, Made in PRC ...
Dunno, but they are wrong.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 03:13:47 PM
The one my tech uses has two connections I think...and he puts them in the ports in the pipe not the mufflers.
Remember the exhaust has a crossover that connects to the mufflers.
which ports ... went outside and saw no other holes appart from the ones at the pipes ...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 29, 2011, 06:10:33 PM
which ports ... went outside and saw no other holes appart from the ones at the pipes ...
There are plugs in the tubes before the crossover....one for vertical and one for horizontal.
They can be a real PITA to remove without stripping.
Quote from: humorless dp on January 29, 2011, 06:33:39 PM
There are plugs in the tubes before the crossover....one for vertical and one for horizontal.
They can be a real PITA to remove without stripping.
uh oh ... think my headers don't have those ... the old ones did ... curios thing, this header is OEM and I see no plugs ... telling ya ... me screwed by Ducati ...
Pepe???????????
The probe in the can outlet will work. The plugs work better for cylinder balance.
Quote from: howie on January 29, 2011, 06:54:34 PM
Pepe???????????
The probe in the can outlet will work. The plugs work better for cylinder balance.
OK ...
yesh, he now calls himshelf Pepe ... I fink isch a ... pasching fing
sometimes when it comes to AFR guages, green is rich which is ok but not best. reason being green rich wont blow things up, red lean will. So Yellow is prob what you want. example below, note: some meters will have green in the stoich region and yellow in rich.
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Quote from: Roaduser on January 30, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
sometimes when it comes to AFR guages, green is rich which is ok but not best. reason being green rich wont blow things up, red lean will. So Yellow is prob what you want. example below, note: some meters will have green in the stoich region and yellow in rich.
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Thanks for info .. how does one use this gauge?
what guage do u have? as they can vary but the basic idea of a simple gauge like above is to be in the stoic region. if its digital about 13.5:1 to 14.5:1 is going to be a good safe reading for the street but it depends what your trying to do. are you remapping it yourself or just being cautious and checking on your tune? is it a street bike or track?
i have seen spikes as lean as 17:1 and as rich as 10:1 on my car under certain bad circumstances and it has survived but you dont want to let it keep doing those kinda numbers on any regular basis. im not sure on what the ducatis do, but my limited experience shows you may run a little rich at idle, say 12-13, and then lean out to maybe a 15 at the top. but i wouldnt wanna see any more than the rare low 15 up top as that is a bit too lean for a road bike that is at the perils drinking dodgy fuel on occasions.
as for position of your wideband probe. i imagine the can outlet should be fine for a bike as your exhaust isnt very long and the mufflers are prob not much of a muffler/disturbance anyway.
speaking from car experience you ideally want your probe before any cat converters or mufflers and just after the last junction from the bank of cylinders your testing or all the cylinders if you can. cats and mufflers do effect readings but i cant recall exactly if they make it rich or lean but unless your trying to tune to the ragged edge it would be a minimal effect. many ppl use the exhaust outlets out of convenience opposed to welding in a bung. just keep it a little rich if your in doubt, rich is safe and plugs are cheap compared to the alternative.
so for a ducati ideally id want it just after the merge. before the mufflers, and cat if you have one, but its prob not worth putting a bung in if you dont already have one. not that their expensive, but for occasional road use it is an unnecessary effort.