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Title: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 17, 2011, 02:16:15 PM
Fired up the oven again for Theo. Just thought I shared some pics.

I dont know how many guys are interested, but I have a few personal jobs that I'm going to do, and will be doing an all day PC run. I'm not sure if this breaks forums rules since I don't do this steadily. But for convenience, I am doing a few color days so i dont have to keep swapping out powders. If this break forum rules, feel free to delete this thread.

Yes this is for profit. PM if interested.

But here's Theos brackets. It was really nice to work with CLEAN metals for once. All I had to do was toughen it up with some glass beads heat it and hot flock it + 10 mins.

Before
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1638&g2_serialNumber=1)

After
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1649&g2_serialNumber=2)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducpainter on February 17, 2011, 02:49:42 PM
Fired up the oven again for Theo. Just thought I shared some pics.

I dont know how many guys are interested, but I have a few personal jobs that I'm going to do, and will be doing an all day PC run. I'm not sure if this breaks forums rules since I don't do this steadily. But for convenience, I am doing a few color days so i dont have to keep swapping out powders. If this break forum rules, feel free to delete this thread.

Yes this is for profit. PM if interested.

But here's Theos brackets. It was really nice to work with CLEAN metals for once. All I had to do was toughen it up with some glass beads heat it and hot flock it + 10 mins.

Before
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1638&g2_serialNumber=1)

After
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1647)
It's against forum rules for two reasons...

first you didn't agree to pick up all the flounders bar tabs for a month...no one rides free...

and second, one of your pics doesn't work. >:(


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 17, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
fixed, how much do you guys drink? :P PM details?  :)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducpainter on February 18, 2011, 04:30:12 AM
fixed, how much do you guys drink? :P PM details?  :)
we drink an incredible amount. ;D


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: The Mad King Pepe' on February 18, 2011, 05:46:46 AM
After
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1649&g2_serialNumber=2)
Nice work! [thumbsup]

Don't have anything now, but I'll keep you in mind for the little special I'm putting together.  ;)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: Monster Dave on February 18, 2011, 01:46:42 PM
ok, from someone who's never done any powder coating or had parts done, what sort of work has to be done to the parts when they return prior to putting them back on the bike? For example, if someone wanted to powder coat their header pipe, would anything need to be done first or could it be remounted right away?


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: booger on February 18, 2011, 02:31:05 PM
Can't powdercoat a header pipe. Have to ceramic coat it. Powdercoat will not withstand header temps.

With all other parts just clean any threaded holes out of overspray and install. It's that easy!


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: TAftonomos on February 18, 2011, 03:18:04 PM
Woot, can't wait to install these.  Got the new blacked out Ohlins forks on a few mins ago.  These will nearly complete the puzzle.  A bit of wiring, and it's riding.

Big upgrades are the BST's, Ohlins damper, custom triples/R&T Ohlins, and the exhaust I made for it.  The HID light, and other bits just round it out.

Here is hoping the BST's and damper make all the difference that people say they will :)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 18, 2011, 04:17:58 PM
ok, from someone who's never done any powder coating or had parts done, what sort of work has to be done to the parts when they return prior to putting them back on the bike? For example, if someone wanted to powder coat their header pipe, would anything need to be done first or could it be remounted right away?


1- Strip any old paint off
2- degrease
3- Etch the surface ( i use glass beads)
4- If steel then immediately wash off the glass beads, dry with cloth and throw in the dry it up quickly (rust). I have heard you can just wipe off the glass beads and spray like that, ive never tried it because i dont want to have to strip and do it over again so i just rewash)

If it is a cast part, then i generally leave it in the oven for about 20-40 minutes depending on what material it is. Out of the oven i wipe it down with alcohol, and then hot flock powder onto it and throw it back in the oven for the required time (each piece is different).



Prep is most of the labor. Cleaning is the hardest part. Sometimes you cant help but get a spec of gas and you get a little defect in the part. For cast aluminum, i find it impossible to not get one or two of those little specs. Some parts are just excessively dirty and it makes for a lot of extra work for me. If i use glass beads on it when its not clean, theres a chance i can just push the grime into the pores and the coating will come out with specs over that area.

And as bergdoerfer said, you cant PC headers. I have a powder that is rated for 1200 degrees, but i find that it does not really work that well. But it does look nice for exhaust can sleeves.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 18, 2011, 04:34:07 PM
the real point is to be able to get every bodies item in one shot, so i can spend 1 day stripping original paint, 1 day washing and blasting, and coat it. and do 1 color all at once since i lose a significant amount of powder from switching colors for small batches. this way everyone knows the schedule.


Ohlins Spring, Stripped of original yellow and PCed
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=305&g2_serialNumber=2)

Satin Black
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=366&g2_serialNumber=2)

This is called Solar Rain which is over real chrome. However since i couldnt etch the real chrome, the powder litterally flaked off the second it was put to real use.

(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=563&g2_serialNumber=1)

This is the swingarm on my bike. I did another in satin black as well but dont have pics. the satin looks dopeeee this one is a pregnant dog to keep glossy since i never wash my bike.
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=133&g2_serialNumber=2)

Wheel, and sprocket carrier cover( yes i did the nuts too).
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=414&g2_serialNumber=2)







Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducatiz on February 18, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
fixed, how much do you guys drink? :P PM details?  :)

send him a bottle of this  [evil]

(http://www.liquorstore.cn/images/WuLiangYe.jpg)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducpainter on February 18, 2011, 06:08:43 PM
send him a bottle of this  [evil]

(http://www.liquorstore.cn/images/WuLiangYe.jpg)
Is it vodka?


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: thought on February 18, 2011, 06:48:02 PM
it's baijiu... and it tastes like crap.  haha, but it has up to 65% alch...

from the wikipedia entry:

Taste

Baijiu has a distinctive smell and taste that is highly valued in Chinese culinary culture. Connoisseurs of the beverage focus especially on its fragrance.

However, a number of accounts, generally from non-Chinese reviewers, comment unfavorably on the taste of baijiu, comparing it with paint thinner, rubbing alcohol, and diesel fuel. The typically high ABV of much baijiu is commonly cited by the Chinese as the reason for these impressions.[2][3]
[edit] Pricing

Low grades of baijiu can be quite inexpensive; a bottle of roughly 250 mL (8 Ounces) may be purchased for the same price as a can of beer. However, higher grades, which are often aged for many years, can be quite expensive; the highest grade of Wuliangye (五粮液) retails for 26,800 yuan (US$3,375).[4] Some popular varieties of baijiu include Maotai jiu, gaoliang jiu, erguotou, Luzhou Laojiao (Luzhou Old Cellar), and Wuliangye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baijiu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baijiu)

funny thing is that in china, people there can down this like water... but get wasted in seconds off vodka or any other western spirit.

and i can confirm the tasting like paint thinner comment btw :\  haha


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducatiz on February 18, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
Is it vodka?

it's more like fermented and distilled ass.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: Jarvicious on February 19, 2011, 06:28:33 AM
Mmmmmmmm

Love me some distilled ass  [drink]

Thanks for the recommendation on Powder by the Pound, He Man.  I have some flat black that I'll be doing some testing on before reassembling the bike.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: Charlief on February 19, 2011, 09:00:23 AM
Can magnesium be pc'ed? I have a set of yammi TZ wheels that I'm thinking of changing colors.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 19, 2011, 09:16:23 AM
Can magnesium be pc'ed? I have a set of yammi TZ wheels that I'm thinking of changing colors.

i really dont know. Never tried. nor have i ever heard of Magnesium being Pc'ed.

ANd regarding that "alcohol", It taste straight up like foul shit. My dad has cases of them because he thinks it will collect value over time. Eitherway, it still tastes straight up wrong.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: uglyducky on February 20, 2011, 09:43:57 PM
stuff looks great he man


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducpainter on February 21, 2011, 06:06:47 AM
Can magnesium be pc'ed? I have a set of yammi TZ wheels that I'm thinking of changing colors.
They need to be hot chromated or chemically treated just like they would need to be for paint.

They can't be blasted and coated without that step.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: junior varsity on February 21, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
impressive those parts look great in the pictures


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: Charlief on February 22, 2011, 04:49:41 PM
They need to be hot chromated or chemically treated just like they would need to be for paint.

They can't be blasted and coated without that step.

Thanks... I think I'm going to leave them alone.  I just found out how much a set is worth!  I'll learn to live with the orange color.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: He Man on February 23, 2011, 04:40:25 PM
Alright guys, got the green light to do this by the Mods.

I'll be posting up in the minor sponsors, and perhaps keep this as just a page for pics. Anyone who is seriously intrested just look over there and PM me or post up.

Thanks guys.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46671.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46671.0)


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: Punx Clever on February 23, 2011, 06:02:00 PM
Normal english:
Impressive, those parts look great in the pictures.

Yoda english:
Impressive those parts look. Great in the pictures.

Sorry, just had to do it.


Title: Re: Powder Coating Run:
Post by: ducatiz on February 23, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
Normal english:
Yoda english:
Sorry, just had to do it.


 [laugh] [laugh]

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