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Title: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: dgm on February 19, 2011, 05:13:31 PM I did my first oil change on my 696 last night and realized I didn't do the screen. So today I drained again and did it. Didn't have time to go all the way back to dealer for more oil so I just went to local auto store an got Mobil 1 4T synth which I realized was $10/qt vs $18/qt for the Motul I originally had. Just wondering what makes the Motul oil worth an additional $8?
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Buckethead on February 19, 2011, 05:20:01 PM Lots and lots of marketing.
See: THIS THREAD (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0). Oh, and it's day-glo green. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Grampa on February 19, 2011, 05:21:01 PM please tell me you didnt put CAR oil in it
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducpainter on February 19, 2011, 05:23:19 PM please tell me you didnt put CAR oil in it I did my first oil change on my 696 last night and realized I didn't do the screen. So today I drained again and did it. Didn't have time to go all the way back to dealer for more oil so I just went to local auto store an got Mobil 1 4T synth which I realized was $10/qt vs $18/qt for the Motul I originally had. Just wondering what makes the Motul oil worth an additional $8? That's moto specific...no? Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Grampa on February 19, 2011, 05:39:34 PM That's moto specific... no? AFAIK the 4t is.... but out here, the auto store dont sell bike oil, so thats why I questioned it.... plus, we get a shit ton of people asking if car oil will work simply because it's cheaper. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: dgm on February 19, 2011, 05:51:35 PM Moto oil. They actually sold 4 different types.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: caperix on February 19, 2011, 06:41:11 PM The Moblil 1 is less likley to cause the APTC clutch in your bike to slip. I had a problem with motule causing clutch slip on my 620. As long as you are using the the 4T bike oil all should be good.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: dgm on February 20, 2011, 08:53:47 AM cool, I'll spend some time reading that thread you reference buckethead. I did try to drain as much of the motul out as I could before putting the Mobil 1 in. there shouldn't be an issue with the two of them mixing in there right?
OH, and where can I order crush washers for the 696 online? The seem a little hard to find. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: xcaptainxbloodx on February 20, 2011, 01:05:00 PM if you use a clean oil pan you can put it back in...
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Buckethead on February 20, 2011, 01:16:08 PM OH, and where can I order crush washers for the 696 online? The seem a little hard to find. I'd wager your local dealer probably has them. Otherwise, I'd call up Ducati Omaha or Ducati Seattle and see what they can do for you. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Punx Clever on February 20, 2011, 01:24:31 PM The crush washers piss me off. I don't have a local dealer, and I'm trying to get an oil change done. Easy enough to order the filters... but finding crush washers is a pregnant dog. I've seen guides suggesting reusing the crush washers if they aren't damaged, and if they are, lapping them on a mirror to recondition them.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 01:30:01 PM The crush washers piss me off. I don't have a local dealer, and I'm trying to get an oil change done. Easy enough to order the filters... but finding crush washers is a pregnant dog. I've seen guides suggesting reusing the crush washers if they aren't damaged, and if they are, lapping them on a mirror to recondition them. Why do they piss you off? ???I'd use them again. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Punx Clever on February 20, 2011, 01:39:28 PM Why do they piss you off? ??? I'd use them again. Because my truck doesn't need em... why should my bike? Just one more thing to think about during a simple task like changing oil. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 01:51:11 PM Because my truck doesn't need em... why should my bike? Just one more thing to think about during a simple task like changing oil. Your truck uses a sealing device of some type.Is the oil pan on your truck aluminum? You do realize they spec a crush washer to protect your cases... not just to make your life difficult...right? Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Punx Clever on February 20, 2011, 02:14:05 PM I would have liked to see a press-fit steel insert for the oil drain plug like my truck has in it's aluminum pan. Just sayin.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 02:30:05 PM I would have liked to see a press-fit steel insert for the oil drain plug like my truck has in it's aluminum pan. Just sayin. Write them a letter. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] A pressed in steel insert is a bad idea IMO. Too much chance for a galvanic reaction and potential failure.I personally don't see the big deal. Certainly nothing to get pissed off about. We all realize the washer is there. If you think you need a new one every time you change oil, buy a half dozen at a time. They're not very expensive. I use them many times without any issue. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Punx Clever on February 20, 2011, 02:41:39 PM A good carbon steel insert wouldn't be much of a problem because carbon steel and aluminum are pretty much right next to each other on galvanic charts. A drain plug with a silicon o-ring in the head to seal out moisture would prevent any corrosion issues from everyday moisture. A stainless steel insert would definitely cause the problems you are talking about. On the other hand, when I say "pissed" I mean mildly annoyed at a quirk in the design... not pissed like my tank is expanding and the paint is flaking off.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducpainter on February 20, 2011, 02:58:00 PM Ducatisti asked/begged for plastic tanks and Ducati delivered. Look at how that worked out.
I say leave the drain plug alone. It isn't broke. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ivobivo on February 20, 2011, 03:15:27 PM I used the same crush washer 7-8 times on my Monster and never had a problem. For my new bike I just ordered an Aluminum plug from TPO that comes with some kind of rubber seal. We'll see how it works. Here's a link to it
https://www.tpoparts.com/cat093/index.php?route=product/product&path=1_29&product_id=11 (https://www.tpoparts.com/cat093/index.php?route=product/product&path=1_29&product_id=11) Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Punx Clever on February 20, 2011, 03:16:45 PM Very interesting. I like it!
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: dgm on February 20, 2011, 04:26:14 PM if you use a clean oil pan you can put it back in... I didn't. My pan was not clean enough for me to considering putting it back in. [bang] Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Howie on February 20, 2011, 06:24:28 PM A good carbon steel insert wouldn't be much of a problem because carbon steel and aluminum are pretty much right next to each other on galvanic charts. A drain plug with a silicon o-ring in the head to seal out moisture would prevent any corrosion issues from everyday moisture. A stainless steel insert would definitely cause the problems you are talking about. On the other hand, when I say "pissed" I mean mildly annoyed at a quirk in the design... not pissed like my tank is expanding and the paint is flaking off. Hardly a quirk, 20+ oil changes with no problems. Never a problem with any of my cars with aluminum pans. I use new crush washers if I have them. If not, I don't. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducatiz on February 20, 2011, 08:26:41 PM drain plug with crush washer has been there for 30+ years, works fine for me.
Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Drunken Monkey on February 20, 2011, 08:59:14 PM drain plug with crush washer has been there for 30+ years, works fine for me. Why do I picture you saying this at the top of your lungs, in a rocking chain on your porch, waving a cane? [laugh] Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Buckethead on February 20, 2011, 09:06:43 PM Why do I picture you saying this at the top of your lungs, in a rocking chain on your porch, waving a cane? [laugh] Because you need to get off his lawn. Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducatiz on February 20, 2011, 09:11:34 PM Why do I picture you saying this at the top of your lungs, in a rocking chain on your porch, waving a cane? [laugh] daaaaaggnabbit! (http://badbanana.typepad.com/weblog/images/2007/06/16/thorazine4.png) Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Monsterlover on February 21, 2011, 04:34:44 AM please tell me you didnt put CAR oil in it What's wrong with that? Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: ducatiz on February 21, 2011, 04:39:19 AM AFAIK the 4t is.... but out here, the auto store dont sell bike oil, so thats why I questioned it.... plus, we get a shit ton of people asking if car oil will work simply because it's cheaper. the Mobil1 "high mileage" 10w40 for cars apparently is remarkably similar to the Mobil1 4T 10w40 Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: the_Journeyman on February 21, 2011, 03:57:51 PM Don't let my Molly and Syreena see this thread...
Their belts my curl if they new they were getter diesel formulated Rotella... JM Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: greenohawk69 on February 22, 2011, 10:49:36 AM cool, I'll spend some time reading that thread you reference buckethead. I did try to drain as much of the motul out as I could before putting the Mobil 1 in. there shouldn't be an issue with the two of them mixing in there right? OH, and where can I order crush washers for the 696 online? The seem a little hard to find. Have you tried a hardware store or maybe something like Fastenal or Grainger? Title: Re: $8 Less/quart??? Post by: Howie on February 22, 2011, 11:28:06 AM Your local auto parts guy should be able to match them up for you.
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