Title: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: sburrows87 on February 21, 2011, 01:11:45 PM Hi guys/ gals,
Just to double check before I buy (I'm from the UK and it would be hard to exchange lol), I need the type 2 cam from >here (http://www.electraeon.com/throttlecam.html)< for my 2004 620 right? Cheers! ;D Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Veloce-Fino on February 21, 2011, 03:46:46 PM I purchased the type 2 for my 09 696.
I think you may be type 1. I would just email them and ask. They responded to me same day. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: kopfjÀger on February 21, 2011, 08:11:38 PM Just look at the 2 photos and match it up to the cut out at the top of the stock cam.
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: sburrows87 on February 21, 2011, 11:02:10 PM Thanks guys, I am not near my monster at the mo but I have dropped them an email. I am 70% sure it is type 2 but just need to confirm before I pull the trigger [moto]
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: sburrows87 on February 22, 2011, 04:17:54 PM Ok guys, for anyone interested it was type 2
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: atomic410 on February 23, 2011, 01:54:06 PM anyone have one of these? i was wondering if it makes a noticable difference in excelleration? the 620 is such a turd until its at 50% throttle for the track it would be nice to be able to pick it up quicker esp with my new lw flywheel for maxum excelleration. [bacon]
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: DucatiTorrey on February 23, 2011, 06:08:04 PM yeah, any difference on the 696? what does it feel like? just less pull required on the throttle?
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: scduc on February 23, 2011, 06:17:07 PM I have read here that some people are using the G2 throttle tamer along with the fast cam. I think I might try this. With the tamer, you get smooth operation, but slightly less throttle at initial rotation. So in theory, by adding the fast cam, you would get the roataion back and get super smooth op. However, G2 is currently working on interchangable throttle cams for street applications. This would eliminate the need for the fast cam.
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: stopintime on February 24, 2011, 08:32:06 AM I got this because the wrist and/or elbow movement, in my opinion, is much too long.
Either my wrist was twisted at the end of throttle play or I had to loosen my grip and raise my elbow before gunning it. It gave me much better control. Some say it makes the bike more twitchy (smaller inputs required), but that has not been a problem for me. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Raux on February 24, 2011, 09:59:39 AM I'm using the Electaeon for the 696 with clipons.
much better on the wrist. smooth throttle is a light twist. so much better all around than stock with bars. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Veloce-Fino on February 24, 2011, 10:54:05 AM I'm using the Electaeon for the 696 with clipons. much better on the wrist. smooth throttle is a light twist. so much better all around than stock with bars. I agree, totally worth it. However I find myself speeding a lot more. [evil] Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Raux on February 24, 2011, 11:13:49 AM I agree, totally worth it. However I find myself speeding a lot more. [evil] what's speeding? Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Veloce-Fino on February 24, 2011, 01:00:36 PM what's speeding? Sadly we don't all live near autobahnen!! Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: junior varsity on February 24, 2011, 02:33:42 PM those numbers on the highway are merely suggestions.
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: pcv57 on February 26, 2011, 05:33:16 AM Does the fast cam have to be used with the G2 throttle tamer or can it be used with the stock throttle? From the pictures I can't see how its installed.
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: Raux on February 26, 2011, 07:17:24 AM Does the fast cam have to be used with the G2 throttle tamer or can it be used with the stock throttle? From the pictures I can't see how its installed. I have the electraeon and use the stock throttle. real smooth. love it. My wrist feels much better.you are talking about the throttle body fast cam? it doesn't have anything to do with the twist grip. you just replace the cam on the throttle bodies with the new one, adjust for any free play and go. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: DucatiTorrey on February 26, 2011, 07:48:14 AM [popcorn]
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: junior varsity on February 27, 2011, 09:31:11 PM electraeon cam goes on the throttle body assembly - can be used with OEM throttle grip since its at the other end of the cable.
the G2 kit replaces the throttle tube - their faster throttle will be the same. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: pcv57 on February 28, 2011, 07:59:11 AM Got it. If you were to choose one or the other, which gives you the biggest improvement? It seems like the throttle tamer makes the bike more manageable and the cam gives you quicker response. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: junior varsity on February 28, 2011, 08:24:14 AM You've got two cams here:
the electraeon throttle cam mounts down by the injectors on the intake side of the motor. Think of it like the "slave cylinder" (if you make analogy to clutch hydraulics) in the relationship. You twist the the throttle grip, pulling the cable, which pulls the cam on the throttle body. The electraeon throttle cam shortens the distance from 0-100% in relation to the twist of your wrist when compared to the stock one (think of it as how many degrees the grip must be rotated to go from no throttle to wide-open). Also, its not plastic, its good looking billet and is somewhat visible through the frame on the side of the bike, just like the stock one. the G2 Ergonomics throttle tamer, like any throttle tube, is the "master cylinder" and also has a cam. When you rotate the grip, you are directly rotating that cam, which pulls the cable - the amount the cable is actually pulled depends on both how far you rotate your grip, and the profile of the throttle tube's cam. The smaller the diameter of the cam, the less happens as you rotate the throttle grip. A fast throttle has a larger 'diameter' profile - meaning that it will pull more cable for the same amount of rotation. The G2 Ergo throttle tamer has a throttle tube cam profile that increases in radius as it goes, making it slower at the beginning of rotation (less cable pull per degree of rotation), but increasing the further you go (as you rotate further, the increase per degree in amount of cable pulled increases - think of derivatives and calculus and such). Alternatively, you could think of a throttle cam with changing radius to the cam profile to work similar to progressive springs: http://www.progressivesuspension.com/tech/springs.html (http://www.progressivesuspension.com/tech/springs.html) (perhaps think of the progressive spring description as applied to throttle cam: as you twist further, the amount it pulls doesn't increase linearly). Neither product is all that expensive. I might suggest acquiring both, installing only one and riding around awhile to see how it affects the bike. Removing it and ride without for a bit. (go back to baseline). Install the other alone, ride around a bit to see the change. Then installing the other with it so you can try the bike with both. Only way to get a full picture and see if you like the changes in characteristics with regards to your riding style / preferences. Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: atomic410 on February 28, 2011, 09:39:25 AM I'm gonna get one of these for my 620 race bike. i wanted to get a different throttle but rules forbid it. however they do not forbid changing the throttle cam. I'm hoping for a similar effect as a racing throttle [bacon]
Title: Re: Electraeon fast throttle cam for 620 Post by: pcv57 on March 02, 2011, 04:50:57 AM I just emailed Electraeon to find out which type fits my s2r1k. They told me they don't make one for this bike yet. Bummer
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