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Tuesday 6pm times:

1. Casey Stoner AUS Repsol Honda Team 2m 0.987s (53)
2. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team 2m 1.360s (46)
3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 1.468s (50)
4. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 1.654s (42)
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 2m 1.747s (54)
6. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory Racing 2m 1.808s (47)
7. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 1.939s (73)
8. Marco Simoncelli ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini 2m 1.996s (49)
9. Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Team 2m 1.999s (53)
10. Alvaro Bautista ESP Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 2m 2.224s (48)
11. Hector Barbera ESP Aspar Team 2m 2.645s (54)
12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team 2m 2.680s (60)
13. Toni Elias ESP LCR Honda MotoGP 2m 2.779s (63)
14. Randy de Puniet FRA Pramac Racing Team 2m 2.920s (44)
15. Cal Crutchlow GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 2m 2.936s (36)
16. Loris Capirossi ITA Pramac Racing Team 2m 3.082s (58)
17. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB Motoracing 2m 3.167s (46)
18. Bike #T1 JPN Yamaha Test Rider 2m 3.676s (46)
19. Nobuatsu Aoki JPN Suzuki Test Rider 2m 4.639s (57)
20. Bike #T2 JPN Yamaha test Rider 2m 4.958s (29)

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166864/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_tuesday_6pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166864/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_tuesday_6pm.html)

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166875/1/stoner_i_expected_everyone_else_to_be_faster.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166875/1/stoner_i_expected_everyone_else_to_be_faster.html)

I cant wait for Stoner to win the first at quatar despite having to battle corageously through crippling eyelash pain and an honorless sabotage conspiracy from every parts maker.

[laugh]

it's almost too bad that qatar is the first race since casey nearly automatically will win that one.  dude owns that track.

Is Ducati testing with Vespas?  Someone should have told them to bring the GP11 to the test.

El Matador . . .  [clap]

interesting that the injured guy is the first duc aint it

Thought I read a quote from Rossi somewhere saying that he didn't try for a fast lap with a soft tire.  If so, maybe he's not so far off from the top-five.

Edit: Ok, I actually put a tiny amount of effort in to find the quote:


http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Feb/110222motogpsepang.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Feb/110222motogpsepang.htm)

Finding 1 second in MotoGP is a lot harder than just switching to a soft tire. The Ducs are still way off the pace.

He's kinda close, but I'm not sure what good that "soft tire" excuse does for him.  Spies and Stoner (dunno about the others) said they ran their fast times on hard tires during race simulations.  Well, to be fair, Stoner's fastest was on soft at the end of the day, but earlier he ran a time on a hard that would have been #1 as well.

All the Ducs--'cept rossi--were beaten by the Rizla pedal bike.   :'(

we can debate all day long how true or not the shoulder business is... but he says it's only at 50% strength.  that's a major delta.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166886/1/rossi_returns_to_his_hotel.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166886/1/rossi_returns_to_his_hotel.html)

Wednesday 12pm:

1.    Dani Pedrosa    ESP   Repsol Honda Team    2m    0.229s   (12)
2.    Casey Stoner    AUS   Repsol Honda Team    2m    0.342s   (11)
3.    Andrea Dovizioso    ITA   Repsol Honda Team    2m    0.531s   (18)
4.    Ben Spies    USA   Yamaha Factory Racing    2m    0.824s   (22)
5.    Jorge Lorenzo    ESP   Yamaha Factory Racing    2m    0.931s   (17)
6.    Marco Simoncelli ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini    2m    1.160s   (17)
7.    Colin Edwards USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3    2m    1.738s   (18)
8.    Bike #T2    JPN   Yamaha test Rider    2m    1.792s   (3)
9.    Alvaro Bautista ESP   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP    2m    2.150s   (15)
10.    Nicky Hayden USA   Ducati Team    2m    2.208s   (20)
11.    Hiroshi Aoyama    JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini    2m    2.403s   (18)
12.    Hector Barbera    ESP   Aspar Team    2m    2.505s   (20)
13.    Loris Capirossi    ITA   Pramac Racing Team    2m    2.624s   (21)
14.    Karel Abraham    CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing    2m    2.676s   (26)
15.    Toni Elias    ESP   LCR Honda MotoGP    2m    2.941s   (20)
16.    Cal Crutchlow GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3    2m    2.984s   (18)
17.    Randy de Puniet    FRA   Pramac Racing Team    2m    3.283s   (18)
18.    Bike #T1    JPN   Yamaha Test Rider    2m    3.306s   (17)
19.    Nobuatsu Aoki    JPN   Suzuki Test Rider    2m    5.474s   (14)

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166887/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_12pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166887/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_wednesday_12pm.html)

Results after Day 2:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 27 Casey Stoner Honda 2:00.171     
2 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda 2:00.229 0.058 0.058
3 4 Andrea Dovizioso Honda 2:00.531 0.360 0.302
4 11 Ben Spies Yamaha 2:00.824 0.653 0.293
5 1 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 2:00.931 0.760 0.107
6 58 Marco Simoncelli Honda 2:01.033 0.862 0.102
7 7 Hiroshi Aoyama Honda 2:01.439 1.268 0.406
8 5 Colin Edwards Yamaha 2:01.738 1.567 0.299
9 200 T2 (with Lorenzo riding) Yamaha 2:01.792 1.621 0.054
10 40 Hector Barbera Ducati 2:01.909 1.738 0.117
11 19 Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 2:02.035 1.864 0.126
12 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati 2:02.208 2.037 0.173
13 100 T1 Yamaha 2:02.596 2.425 0.388
14 14 Randy de Puniet Ducati 2:02.604 2.433 0.008
15 65 Loris Capirossi Ducati 2:02.624 2.453 0.020
16 17 Karel Abraham Ducati 2:02.676 2.505 0.052
17 24 Toni Elias Honda 2:02.941 2.770 0.265
18 35 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 2:02.984 2.813 0.043
19 9 Noburu Aoki Suzuki 2:04.582 4.411 1.598

Valentino Rossi is the current official lap record holder, with a time of 2'00.518 set during 2009.

Valentino Rossi did not ride. The Marlboro Ducati rider was struck down with flu, and returned very early to the hotel. Alvaro Bautista and Cal Crutchlow are also still suffering.

T2 is the second official Yamaha test bike. Jorge Lorenzo took it out for a spin and set the 9th fastest time on it.

Its looking more and more like Honda will finally nab an 800 crown.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166916/1/late_fall_disguises_impressive_spies_pace.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166916/1/late_fall_disguises_impressive_spies_pace.html)

Lots of heads will roll at HRC if they don't

starting with Puig and Pedrosa...

“I just pushed a little bit soon with a new front tyre,” said Spies of the fall.

So now he knows where the limit is on a new tire and will be over his early lap tentativeness?

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Hopefully. I have high expectations of Spies this season. I wonder why Lorenzo only did 16 laps. And on a test bike with experimental chassis at that.

Gotta read more closely, mang.   ;)

But for comparison, Spies' team-mate and reigning MotoGP world champion Jorge Lorenzo - who spent some time on the Yamaha test bike today - only recorded 16 of his 45 laps under 2min 2sec.

[thumbsup]

 I is the dumb

I know everyone is saying this, but DAYUM, those Hondas are on it.

Nicky said that Ducati is basically running the 2010 Ducati with minor updates and some engine changes and that Rossi is moving closer to Nicky's settings?   Interesting . . .

I wonder how much progress The Ben has made on his initial coupla laps?  No way to tell, but we'll see come race time.  It's nothing unusual that he is fast and that he is consistently fast.  He did the same thing last year.  The problem was the 20-30 seconds he gave away at the beginning of the race.  

Yaz.  U R teh dum.   [cheeky]

they really were on it from the 2nd half of 2010 on.. it's just that pedro was hurt.  and ben broke dovi. 

Has anybody found that button on the keyboard?  Is it time to push it yet?

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http://www.motomatters.com/news/2011/02/23/2011_motogp_sepang_2_day_2_roundup_same_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2011/02/23/2011_motogp_sepang_2_day_2_roundup_same_.html)

GOOD SUMMARY

I hope Rossi didn't contract Stoner's "mystery virus".

You can oush it if Rossi does not make it out tomorrow. It would simply be a disaster if they're making changes in Qatar.

"(On a side note, Zeelenberg quoting Pirelli marketing slogans should have the conspiracy theorists working overtime, as rumors - some extremely reliable - persist that Pirelli is to take over as single tire supplier when Bridgestone's contract runs out at the end of 2011.)"

this might be the most interesting sentence in that article.  if that pans out the totally new 2012 bikes are really going to be *totally* new.  sidewall construction strategies between bridgestone and pirelli are as different as they could be.

Uh, did ya really expect that Ducati was going to get it together for the beginning of 2011?  For 2012, there is a much better chance. 

Also, before you hit the panic button, don't forget 2006.  The beginning of the season sucked for Vale until they got their shit together.  True, he blew the championship all on his lonesome (despite the help at Estoril from make the beast with two backswad McAlwayssecondplace), but it's a long season.  The big difference between 2006 and now is the sharp end of the field now is really amazing, and riding under a regime bikes where the bike matters more than it used to.  I just can't see Ducati pulling it off.  They may get their shit together after a while, but there is a real risk of the championship running away from them early on.  One advantage is that right now there are so many people who look good that if riders keep trading podium positions, they'll keep any single person from running away with it early.

exactly. 

Agreed. Good call. It's a toss up. Right now the Hondas are boss and everyone else is just playing catch up. It will be interesting to watch. But I think Casey will be Pedrobot's worse nightmare. Just sayin'. ;D [thumbsup]

That is indeed something great to look forward to.  :)

But if Rossi is consistently dicing with Bautista for 6th or 7th....
Even if the front pack are averaging 3rd place, that's 16 points, 6th is 10 points.


Day 3 at 11am

Good news is, Rossi is on track.
Bad news, still 1.8 sec adrift.

1   Casey Stoner        Repsol Honda Team   1:59.665       -               -   0
2   Dani Pedrosa        Repsol Honda Team   1:59.803   +0.138   +0.138   0
3   Marco Simoncelli   San Carlo Hon Gresini   2:00.163   +0.360   +0.498   0
4   Andrea Dovizioso   Repsol Honda Team   2:00.541   +0.378   +0.876   0
5   Ben Spies              Yamaha Factory     2:00.678   +0.137   +1.013   0
6   Colin Edwards   Monster Yam Tech 3   2:00.966   +0.288   +1.301   0
7   Jorge Lorenzo       Yamaha Factory      2:01.003   +0.037   +1.338   0
8   Alvaro Bautista   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   2:01.194   +0.191   +1.529   0
9   Hector Barbera   Mapfre Aspar Team     2:01.346   +0.152   +1.681   0
10   Hiroshi Aoyama   San Carlo Hon Gresini   2:01.352   +0.006   +1.687   0
11   Valentino Rossi   Ducati Marlboro Team   2:01.469   +0.117   +1.804   0
12   Loris Capirossi   Pramac Racing Team   2:01.493   +0.024   +1.828   0
13   Nicky Hayden   Ducati Marlboro Team   2:01.567   +0.074   +1.902   0
14   Randy De Puniet   Pramac Racing Team   2:02.386   +0.819   +2.721   0
15   Toni Elias           LCR Honda MotoGP   2:02.410   +0.024   +2.745   0
16   Karel Abraham   Cardion AB Moto        2:02.547   +0.137   +2.882   0
17   Cal Crutchlow   Monster Yam Tech 3   2:02.757   +0.210   +3.092   0
18   T2                   Yamaha Test Team   2:03.016   +0.259   +3.351   0
19   T1                   Yamaha Test Team   2:03.049   +0.033   +3.384   0

Can you explain why the bike mattermore now than in the past? Just about every year someone comes out with that line. I still think the cream will rise to the top no matter what bike they are on.

The modern bikes are run extremely heavy on electronics.  There is no more throttle control like the old days.  The bikes keep themselves from wheelies, acceleration is monitored by the computer to control wheelspin, allows nailing the throttle at lean when older bikes would have tossed you off, monitors fuel mileage/power output, etc.  Hell, they are so dialed in now that its literally mapped for every corner, gear, straight, that you might be in.   The pure rider ability still makes a difference for sure, but its not the same as the old days.  The bikes are so refined now, that if you aren't on a good package, forget it.  Casey might have been a wildcard on the Ducati, as simple as that.  The guy is comfortable on a machine that is on the edge of crashing all the time.  No one else has been any good on them(give Rossi time, but up front its not looking pretty... maybe shoot for 2012), and lots of fast guys have ridden the Duc.  I guarantee you put DePuniet back on the Honda and he's messing around up at the top of the timesheets.  The Honda is stupid fast this year.  Everyone else, good luck.  The Yams will do well on tight tracks, but anything that allows you to stretch your legs is going to kill them.  Its not that the riders don't matter anymore, its just that taking a dog of a bike to the podium would have been easier in the past than it is now.

Fair call on the technology, but its not like only one or two rider have it, it still takes an exceptional rider to extract the most out of what ever bike they are on.
Do you think Honda really taken that much of a jump forward or is it a little bit of technology and great rider combination. Surely in the few months that the riders have had off, the bikes couldn't have changed that much. The Yamaha won last year and ducati took a few wins towards the end of the year, surely its got to be close come race day.
I think we will have to wait until the third or fourth round to see what will come of this year. I dont want Honda to run away with the championchip, it make for boring racing, I remember the Dohan era.

on your 2 things....1)while it does in fact require a good rider, it also requires to have just as good of a chassis set-up and crew to get your bike dialed in....look at last year and the number of times Depuniet was the lead Honda charging the front from the LCR satelite squad while the factory bikes were floundering in comparo....and I think it was a simple matter of getting his chassis set-up and running harder with less using the idea that less is more making the argument all about it being the rider and crew/chassis set-up....but as the Honda's get dialed...like you see now, ALL the Honda's are practically raging animals taking the front...

2)yes, I do think Honda took a huge leap forward...having the riding staff that they have is a huge compliment, but with a dog of a bike, a great rider in the 800 era is still going to wallow behind(look at the Zuke and the Hayate for great examples of that in the past)....but even a 2nd tier rider on a great bike is going to make headway...look at Simo and Dovi for example whom are not "aliens" and yet are still pressing the frontal edge of the time sheets.

simo was gonna be this fast, it just took him half a season to acclimate..then there was noise in the signal since HRC was still figuring out the 212 until later last year.

dovi is fast, he just doesn't have the killer instinct.

the other major difference from 2006 is tires.  now all the bikes are built around a single tire rather than being able to choose a tire that works for your bike.  some do this well, others struggle... or they all struggle with it on any given track.

Thursday 6pm:

1.    Casey Stoner    AUS   Repsol Honda Team    1m    59.665s   (37)
2.    Dani Pedrosa    ESP   Repsol Honda Team    1m    59.803s   (38)
3.    Marco Simoncelli ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini    2m    0.163s   (46)
4.    Andrea Dovizioso    ITA   Repsol Honda Team    2m    0.541s   (45)
5.    Ben Spies    USA   Yamaha Factory Racing    2m    0.678s   (32)
6.    Colin Edwards USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3    2m    0.966s   (29)
7.    Jorge Lorenzo    ESP   Yamaha Factory Racing    2m    1.003s   (48)
8.    Alvaro Bautista ESP   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP    2m    1.194s   (34)
9.    Hiroshi Aoyama    JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini    2m    1.328s   (48)
10.    Hector Barbera    ESP   Aspar Team    2m    1.346s   (21)
11.    Valentino Rossi    ITA   Ducati Team    2m    1.469s   (59)
12.    Nicky Hayden USA   Ducati Team    2m    1.469s   (71)
13.    Loris Capirossi    ITA   Pramac Racing Team    2m    1.493s   (39)
14.    Cal Crutchlow GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3    2m    2.034s   (50)
15.    Randy de Puniet    FRA   Pramac Racing Team    2m    2.155s   (42)
16.    Toni Elias    ESP   LCR Honda MotoGP    2m    2.410s   (57)
17.    Bike #T1    JPN   Yamaha Test Rider    2m    2.457s   (40)
18.    Karel Abraham    CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing    2m    2.506s   (55)
19.    Bike #T2    JPN   Yamaha test Rider    2m    3.016s   (13)

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166930/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_thursday_6pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/166930/1/sepang_ii_motogp_test_times_-_thursday_6pm.html)

4 factory hondas, p1-4.  uh oh.

Rossi: We are quite worried. (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/166939/1/rossi_we_are_quite_worried.html)

When a satellite rider beats both factory riders, it is a good sign to be worried.

mitt

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Interesting tidbit:

There are allegations Honda is using a dual-clutch design in contravention of the rules:

http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/2970-honda-rc212v-il-segreto-nella-frizione.html (http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/35-in-evidenza/2970-honda-rc212v-il-segreto-nella-frizione.html)

Mind you, more interesting to me are the average times on the longest runs (i.e. the fastest sustainable times)

https://twitter.com/AziFarni/status/40732982939488256 (https://twitter.com/AziFarni/status/40732982939488256)

HRC says it's something new, but not illegal:

http://crash.net/motogp/news/166944/1/hrc_comments_on_dct_rumours.html (http://crash.net/motogp/news/166944/1/hrc_comments_on_dct_rumours.html)

If Nakamoto doesn't know how it works, then how does he know it isn't DCT?  [coffee]

Shhh!!!  They might be listening. 

By the way, I did read up on DTC and it is a pretty cool idea:

Basically it's two independent transmissions (one for the odd-number gears, one for the even numbered gears) and each with it's own clutch.

e.g. When you switch from 1st to 2nd gear, the transmission first engages 2nd and then swaps from driving through 1st into 2nd via the two clutches. This way there's no interruption of power delivery during the 'switch'

Well, it is "testing" and not "racing" so Honda may be "testing" the waters while they're in this gray area.

the consensus across the board is that they would not do something illegal.  DCT is illegal, even in testing.  

keep in mind that this whole thing started in the italian press...

and "We are not talking about a DCT, but I can't tell you how it works... because I don't know!"  sounds exactly like "because i'm not an engineer!"

I'm sure he knows how it works in a general sense, at least in how it relates to the rules...he just isn't willing to share that information. I was joking (partially) earlier.  ;)

New technology = not illegal yet.

hehehe... i was curious how much wiggle room the rules left in their wording so i went looking for the regulation in question.

the 2011 rules aren't on the fim site, but the 2010 rules (http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/alfresco/Codes_et_reglements/2010_GP_Regulations_%28with_current_season_amendments%29-25.06.pdf) say:

2.4 Transmission

2.4.1 A maximum of six gear ratios is permitted.

2.4.2 Twin clutch transmission systems (DSG) are not permitted.

2.4.3 Continuously Variable Transmission systems (CVT) are not
permitted.

2.4.4 Automatic transmission systems are not permitted. Manual
transmissions with gearshifts assisted by quick-shifter systems
are permitted.

so... as long as it doesn't have two clutches, they're probably in the clear.  ;D

unleash the marketing guys on honda, quick!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89643 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89643)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89655 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89655)

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what Honda's built then... If it's too complicated to explain / understand then odds are it's in a gray area given the vagueness of the rules (what constitutes an automatic transmission?)

My money is on some kind of electronically controlled clutch (given the reports that that Honda seems to have cured their "hopping rear wheel on downshifts" issues) or they have figured out some way to build a 'dual clutch like' device into a single clutch basket

That's all well and good, saying "We don't have a race-pace problem" and "We will work like dogs to fix the problems".

But it's the 4 Hondas at the pointy end that is the *real* problem.
If they can qualify something like that, it'd be a front row with 3 of Stoner, Pedro, Simo and Dovi.
Given Pedro's rocket starts, Stoner's ability to hammer fast laps from the get-go, Dovi's good race pace and Simo's tenacity on holding position...Dovi and Simo can delay attackers long enough for Stoner and Pedro to run away and hide.

Or hell, maybe they'll all just ride off as a pack.  :P

Until Stoner, with a clear 2 second lead, pushes too hard and loses the front going into a corner.

 [popcorn]

I would say this is much less likely to happen on the more stable Honda.

I'm still not going to call it for the Hondas.

From that tweet I linked to earlier:

The average times from longest runs -only 4 riders below 2:02
Stoner (2:01.286 /15 laps)
Spies (2:01.472 /5)
Pedrobot (2:01.683 /10)
Rossi (2:01.739 /6)

Best lap time isn't as valid as best series of laps strung together.

 [thumbsup]

But....
If those 4 guys cross the line at the same time, then string together only 5 laps at those lap times...

Stoner would have ~ a 139 ft lead on Ben, 296 ft on Pedro, and 338 feet on Rossi.
Those are 'average' seperation distances over a lap, so a bit hard to visualize.

Put another way, Stoner would have a 3.72 sec lead over Spies after 20 laps.

Well then it's a good thing races happen on a track and not on a calculator.

Well played, sir!  [laugh]

i think the hondas are going to give lorenzo fits and that ben will be there to pick up the pieces.  a lot can happen in 20+ laps. 

I agree with this, and I think we'll see Lorenzo go back to his crashing ways due to having to push the bike beyond its limits to keep up.

i just have this sense that jorge is starting mentally behind the eight ball this year. 

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/167034/1/ben_spies_up_to_speed_sooner_in_2011.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/167034/1/ben_spies_up_to_speed_sooner_in_2011.html)

:)

Lin Jarvis doesn't know what to make of The Ben.

http://crash.net/motogp/news/167051/1/jarvis_expects_three-way_motogp_title_fight.html (http://crash.net/motogp/news/167051/1/jarvis_expects_three-way_motogp_title_fight.html)

I guarantee that interview--despite his kind words about Vale--isn't going to sit well with the Doctor.

@DennisNoyes: CLUTCHGATE!  A guess: Honda and Xtrac worked together in Indy racing. The Xtrac IGS system works like double clutch, but  technically legal.

also: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/is-the-dct-system-being-used-by-hrc---update/17364.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/is-the-dct-system-being-used-by-hrc---update/17364.html)

bewwwy intuwesting

fwiw, the Indy cars don't use IGS.  but i think he was just drawing a line from Honda to Xtrac, then noting that Xtrac has IGS.. not necessarily that the Indy cars use that particular Xtrac product.  you can only say so much while twatting.