Ducati Monster Forum

Yeah, I just got my S2R 800 a little while back but I've had a thing for the Sport Classics since they came out.  What should I know about the 06 year of the Sport 1000?  I did a little research but have no experience with them.  Think I'll enjoy the 1000DS more than the 800?  Is it still possible to get that crazy looking Zard set-up for these (if so how much and where)? 

Anyhow, just trying to get a little feedback to help make a decision.

Thanks in advance.

IMO, you need a test-ride.

The Sport 1000 is an amazing bike. One of my faves. The only real downside for me is ergos. Very extreme riding position. Not bad for an hour or so, but can get painful after that. You can get ST3 bar risers to fix that though. The new Sport Biposto comes with the risers, and has the pipes on both sides instead of one, and dual shocks.

You mean this one?  Motowheels carries them or you can order directly from their US distributer www.zardamerica.com. 
(http://www.motowheels.com/italian/images/lg464031794.jpg)

SpeedDog - Yeah, I've been on one for a couple moments but not enough to seal the deal.  I'm mostly going from a style and sound feel here.  This is why I was wondering what people would have to say about the engine compared to the S2R 800.  Then there's the dry clutch thing  :)

TBird - yeah, I'd probably raise the riding position a bit.  Really the only thing that I didn't like about them was the extreme position.

eVilTWIN - yes, those...seriously, tell me those don't look like works of art.  Thank you.


That's the other thing...are people having issues with the single sided rear suspension?

The ergos is the only downside. I would love to have one as a second bike.

Keep in mind that there is the valve guide issue with the 1000 motors.
Most of the ones I've had in the shop either needed them fixed or would need them shortly.

Other than that, the 1000 is a really nice motor.

I assume this is a one-time fix thing?  You don't see it slipping back constantly, do you?

Down Sides:
An other ding agaist the ergos.
I got a short test ride on the mono version and in that short time my shoulder was killing me.  And I was used to a pretty low position since I sported vortex clips on my Monster. 

Heavy wheels too.  The boys at Web Bike World hucked the spokes for some Carrozzeria forged and lost 23 pounds
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-wheels/carrozzeria-wheels/

That Zard system is costy

Up Sides:
Bello!  Man it is a great looking machine

That Zard system sounds just vicious.  Not quite like anything I've heard on any other bike. 

Rode a couple times.  Very aggresive.  Nothing risers can't solve!  In fact, they just had that orange Sport 1K in Ducati Seattle a few weeks ago.  I can't remember what company di the work on it though?  I talked to the Rep.  I'll post a pic later.  What a gorgeous looking bike!!  The ZARD pipes are SWEET!!  

I've only had mine, an '06, for a bit more than a month, but the single shock seems to be holding up nicely. Even after I put it in the ditch.  :-\

I've got the riser clipons and while it can be hard on your wrists after a while, at any reasonable speed (60+) you'll probably be leaning into the wind enough that it shouldn't be an issue.

Er... what I meant to say was that I rely solely on my core muscles. [thumbsup]

Seriously, tho, in the 6 weeks or so I've had mine I've clocked over 2500 miles. Last Sunday I did a loop of about 200 miles. The only real problem I had was towards the end my legs started to cramp up from being bunched up under me for so long. Stretched for a bit when I gassed up and it wasn't a problem anymore. I'm also 6'1, so YMMV.

I can't really say one way or another on the power issue. This is my second bike. First was an '03 620 and I haven't had any experience with the 800 mill. I can say from experience that it'll power-wheelie in first. I weigh about 250 all geared up, so that's no mean feat. Haven't gotten the front wheel up in 2nd, but I don't tend to hang out in that section of the power band much.

If you can get past the ergos, do it. You'll likely never see another one on the road, and you'll still be in lust with it for a loooooong time.  ;)

How about the GT1000?  It's got a better riding position.

The ones we fixed were done by a local cylinder head shop, using well-proven components.
None of those have come back yet, so I can't say it fixed it completely.

I have no idea if the warranty-fixed ones have improved guides or not.
From what I've heard, some folks step up to aftermarket guides on the warranty fixes.

Perhaps ducvet would have some FHE that would be informative.

IMO, part of the issue is that it's a 7mm stem on a pretty large valve.
I've seen quite a few broken half-rings as well, whether that's been due to the loose guides or not, I don't know.
I don't know how hard the owners ride their bikes, either.
Lots of high-rpm running is harder on 'em, I see more broken half-rings on 620's, as they tend to get revved harder than the bigger motors.

Check out Detrich's in the AZ section for pics of his GT.  That's a sweet looking ride! 

IT's comfy..yes..but ..very scooter like feel to it when riding. 

Yep [thumbsup]
A good portion of what we like about our bikes is style.
I'm much more comfortable on the PS than a Monster (I had a S2R800, & an M620), it's a lot more fun to ride, & it doesn't look like every other bike on the street.
They changed the Sport Classics quite a bit in '07. The '06s are monoposto, & have a dry clutch.
I've tracked my PS 4 days, & have done many 350+mile days...
Anything else?

yeccchhhhh :P

Oh, and the DP Comfort Saddle makes quite a difference.  [thumbsup]

Absolutely. Don't know why they couldn't make the damn seat comfy in the 1st place [roll]

I kinda like the 06 stylin' with the mono and dry clutch but my concern was why they changed it so quick from one year to the next.  I haven't heard of problems but the I haven't been looking for them either.  Besides,  I don't like buying new.  Call it my way of recycling or just call me a cheap bastard but used is for me.

I do like that PS you got Duc L'Smart...talk about extreme though, those just make my back ache looking at them.  Seriously though, I'm a young enough guy and fit enough to drink lots of beer so I bet the position won't be a huge deal.  As it is I feel a little cramped on the S2R and was told I look a little bunched up on it just the other day.  And I agree...the GT is just.  How do I say this without offending people.  Well, I am not 60 yet.

Anyhow, I like the S2R but, as any dog would be, I've already got my eye on a new cat.

If you could swing a few more $$$ for a PS, I would HIGHLY recommend it [thumbsup]

One positive is that you might be able to find a great deal on a slightly used one. 

One negative is that all the chrome on the bike is cheap fake chrome over plastic.  Another negative is that they don't look so hot next to a 70's 750 GT. 

I really like the red-framed Sport 1000S.  I wish they made this one with the Paul Smart suspension and no fairing.

(http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/galleries/img/img8,232_22,626.jpg)

my point exactly. one of the reasons i purchased my monster is because of the comfort issue. But i do like the other 1000cc retro bike they have. i forget the model number. but i tell you this. i rode my friends r-6 the other day and man couldn't wait to get back aboard my eighthundred. and the next day, i was with him and some other friends and they kept saying how much fun the monster is to ride and how comfortable it is. and i wondered to myself," why if its so fun to ride, why don't they have one too?"

the ron [evil]

Because they don't want to be The Harry, The Larry, and The Mo? ;)

im gonna miss you bro [wine]

the ron [evil]

Aww, shucks. :-[  I'll still come around from time to time. :)

You will discover that the ST3 risers are higher than the kit supplied by Ducati for the Sport. Will depend on sleeve length. IMHO if you have 32/33 sleeve length you will want risers.

No comparison, brakes and suspension are way down compared to the sport as it shoould be for it's intended purpose. Very Tall too. The motor is also in a different state of tune so performance is a little down. - Gene

Get the Classic. Especially an 06. Last year Ducati put a dry-clutch in.

Like others have stated. They are not very common among Ducs in general. So your cool factor will go up when you ride it  [thumbsup]

DO IT!  I have a long story (tinged with regret) concerning this very concern.  I had the chance to get a very low milage, modified '06 Sport 1000 but it slipped away from me.  I loved that bike and even though I really like my new D675, I would kill to get my hands on another cherry S1000!!

As I understand it, they only put the wet clutch on the GT1000 and left the Sport 1000 Biposto and the Sport 1000s with a dry clutch. Old codgers don't like loud noises. Startles them.

Also keep in mind that the Sport 1000s has a steering damper, where the Sport 1000 and the Sport 1000 Biposto do not, and you cannot mount the 1000s damper on the 1000, mono- or biposto, because the tank is a different shape and the key is in a different location.

I whole-heartedly believe that the main reason they went to the Biposto for 07 and beyond is because the thing is sooooooo sexy that you need to be able to have a cutie ride cupcake, cause they're gonna ask. Aside from the ergos, that's my only "complaint."

These are the sacrifices we have to make for our motorcycling passion.  :-\

That bike with those Zard pipes looks amazing. I like it a lot.

Nosir.  The Sport 1000s made from '07 up all moved over to the wet clutch with the only excepting being the LE which was a repainted batch of left over '06s.  I know the Sport 1000S also went with the wet clutch for '07 as well.  Shame really, because the older ones made all the right noises...


Termi/DP makes a really sweet 2 into 1 megaphone system that really does this bike justice.  The bike that I was looking at had this piece on it, along with the matching ECU, and DAMN it sounded good!!  The only bad side is that neighbors would have cursed my creation as I rode that bike up and down the street in the morning...  ;)

How much of an issue is this?  What kinda money are we talking about?

The last one we fixed was about $1k for that portion of the work we did.
That does include doing the valve clearances, mandatory after guide replacement and valve seat/valve skim.

Ouch.

If you like the Sport 1000 then check out the modified ones on Ducati.ms
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=9365

I think they really start looking good when you get rid of of the liscense plate holder like this one:

(http://www.barneephife.com/pics/duc/bpsc004-0640.jpg)

(http://www.barneephife.com/pics/duc/bpsc002-0640.jpg)

I've ridden the S1000 in the pictures above, it's a great bike.  It was comfy for me but I'm coming off an 848 so it isn't as much of a change of position.  The tail tidy on this one is badass

Trav, I'm all over that picture thread.  Thank you.

That black one above is one of my favorites, but I also love it when they upgrade the suspension, brakes, and wheels like on this one.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/ginobartali/ncrseatpics2002.jpg)

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/ginobartali/ducatipics007.jpg)

What wheels are those? Alpinas? Anyone know? I'm looking to do something similar to mine.

As mentioned, I was wrong about the 07 Sport 1000 Bip. and 1000s. They are wet clutch. Thank you to DRKWNG for the correct info.  [thumbsup]

Those are Alpinas.  The stock spoke wheels don't allow enough room for those larger brakes.  That is why the Sport Classics come with the smaller brakes also found on the smaller Monsters. 

Here is another one where the guy spent some money on some suspension, brakes and lighter wheels:

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8052/tomsportclassic016cw6.jpg)

That is the 2 into 1 Termi system that I was talking about earlier.  Those megaphones sound SWEET and could almost wake the dead!


Awwwww.   [beer]

Yeah!!! i do like the gt1000 much better,not too aggresive looking with a more relax riding position.

okay okay, anybody want to buy a near-stock S2R 800 in Tangerine with 3300 miles on it?   ;D

Wise choice. You'll be very happy.
If you can... keep the 800. One can never have too many of them Italian machines  [moto]
 
Like others have said. The ONLY con is its ergos for some ppl. It may not border you. Either case it is not something you can't fix if need be.

If i hadn't already bought my MH I would have bought the 06 Classic and thrown them Zards on.

(http://www.vizi-tec.com/pictures/mh900.jpg)

You know, this thread is doing some unhealthy things to me.  I had accepted the fact that a S1000 was not for me but now I find myself wanting one again REALLY bad!  So much so that I am now looking online for a good example of either an '06 or an '07 LE.  Bad thing is I just found a few that are REALLY tempting.  Thing is, I would have to let my monster (or one of the cars) go in order to pick up another bike...   :-\

drkwing, you had better not steal the one I'm looking at.

lol And which one is that?  There are two that I have my eye on right now.  Thing is, I will be in the same boat as you; needing to sell either my S2R or my D675 in order to get another bike.

I have both a S4RS and a Paul Smart sports classic, love them both but if i had to let one go it would be the S4RS [thumbsup]

don't trade & have both [popcorn]

That isn't an option for me.  I am keeping my Daytona for sure, and if I can get the right deal on the S1000 the S2R is gone...

Yep, its dead sexy.
I totally fall in love with a MH 900 the other day.
Also the NCR Paul Smart is just such a dream bike.
If I had 50k I would rather go for that than a DR16 for sure.

I've got a question guys.
Why is there such a Power & Torque difference between the two 992 engines?

THE 1000s
Type   L-twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic; air cooled
Displacement   992 cc
Bore x Stroke   94 x 71.5 mm
Power   67.7 kw - 92 hp @ 8000 rpm
Torque   67.3 lb-ft - 9.3 kgm @ 6000 rpm
Fuel System   Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45 mm throttle body

THE S2R1000
Type   L-twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic; air cooled
Displacement   992 cc
Bore x Stroke   94 x 71.5 mm
Power   70 kw - 95 hp @ 8000 rpm
Torque   94,1 Nm - 9.6 kgm @ 6000 rpm
Fuel System   Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45 mm throttle body

& THE S2R800 compared to the 1000s it has more Torque?
Type   L-Twin cylinder, 2 valves per cylinder Desmodromic, air cooled
Displacement   803cc
Bore x Stroke   88 x 66mm
Power   56,7kw - 77hp @ 8250rpm
Torque   72,6Nm - 7,4kgm @ 6500rpm
Fuel System   Marelli electronic fuel injection, 45mm throttle body

Rickoz

This is far from an experienced answer, especially  because my S1000 isn't here yet, but I think it is because the stock airbox on the sport classic series is much smaller than the monster.  Things should start to really open up once you change to the DP intake/exhaust/chip kit for the sport classic and put it in an area much closer in power.  Plus, the one I got was re-geared to 14/40, so that should add a bit more pep as well.  ;)

DRKWNG, you got yours?!?!?  Congrats!   Reading this thread is totally making me fall in love with them...hopefully you sold a car instead of the S2R.  BIkes are waaaay more fun and much easier to store than cars.  "When times get tough, the most practical vehicles have to go"  or something like that, anyway, congrats and post  pics and review  when you get her!

Thanks man.  Mine is on its way to me now and should arrive at the port on the 26th.  I did have to let the S2R go to get it, but it's all good.  I still have my Daytona and my Honda S2000 as well.  ;)

Honda makes a great car and that S200 is beautiful, what color is your Sport?

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/002.jpg)

that thing is beautiful.  do i spy the DP  (Dennis Palatov, not Ducati performance)  license bracket?

Thanks man, I really cannot wait to get it!  Good thing that I am taking part in an exercise at work starting on Sunday, and won't really have much time to think about it taking another week for it to get in.  ;)

And yes, it has the DPcars tail chop to it already.  It actually has a pretty thorough list of mods done to it already, including the forks being re-sprung and valved.

I was slowly converting my S2R into the cafe racer type with low clip ons etc., and realised that I should just buy a Sportclassic1000S and be done with it.
They now sit side by side in the garage
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/salsajayne/mar2008006.jpg)

Immediate differences are, the low clip ons on the monster are still higher than the Sport, the seat on the sport is really high and I'm on tiptoes at a standstill- so not for shortys! Traditional Ducati heavy clutch is tiring after years of the 800s light APTC clutch, and engine braking means I dont use the brakes as much as on the monster.
I haven't noticed any of the headshakes and unsettled suspension that others have reported but maybe the S is different enough from the unfaired bike. The power is very much more noticable on the 1000 cc engine though I think the 800 smoother, the extended reach to the bars means your arms are straighter with more weight on them and hitting bumps at low speeds can transfer through the arms as throttle movements and lumpy running,once your used to that you can easily compensate but it still catches me out now and then.
I'm still running stock pipes on mine though I'mm looking around for some nice ones-dont like the Termis as they look too 'modern' to me and they are stupidly loud.
Currently in the running are conti reps from  Keihan in the UK and Dennis Foran in Oz, and reverse cone megaphones from Road and Race in Oz.
I buy my bikes with the heart so dont care about everday practicalities, like comfort for instance. Do it!

Power   67.7 kw - 92 hp @ 8000 rpm Torque   67.3 lb-ft - 9.3 kgm @ 6000 rpm Classic
Power   70 kw - 95 hp @ 8000 rpm    Torque   94,1 Nm - 9.6 kgm @ 6000 rpm S2R
That's only 2.3 hp Diff in the power but a WHOPPING 26.8 Nm in Torque in the Same engine.
I don't think opening up a air box can do that i've take off the top of my air box on the 800 & it made a very small difference not a massive 26 on in Torque.
Any one know the answer i just come from a Ducati shop & the didn't even know that the Classic had different numbers  :o
Rickoz

You're mixing units. Your Classic torque value is listed in lb-ft, the S2R number is in Newton-meters.

94.1 Nm = 69.4 lb-ft.
91.2 Nm = 67.3 lb-ft.

that horsepower rating on the s2r is way off. when you talk about rear wheel horsepower the s2r has about 64 max. that is stock of corse. i had my s2r dynoed and with a leo vince 2into 1 and a marvin midpipe mixed with a pc 3 it turned out 69 horse and about 49 ft lbs of torque. so keep that in mind.  those numbers probably arent rear wheel and they seem a little inflated.

the one the only, the ron [evil]

Hell your just mixed up in general, thsoe are S2R1000 specs.

the DS1000 from an S2R1000 and DS1000 from Sport Classic are the exact same engine. numbers should be the same.

So it is Well that answers my question Ta
Rickoz

It is done!