(yes, Ducati is making a HyperMotard)
I've got a HM cooler now - it was said to improve cooling - does it?
The size is 225 x 80 mm (didn't measure depth)
Is that larger than stock S2R coolers?
[moto]
issss bigger than the old school box oil coolers like on me 900's
By chance, could you measure the distance between the two mount tabs?
Stock is 225x75x35mm with 6 rows.
It's the black that affords better cooling... 8)
BK
The EVO has a much much larger oil cooler
Quote from: a m on March 03, 2011, 05:59:44 AM
The EVO has a much much larger oil cooler
I know [drool] 85% better AFAIK.
The shop exchanged it for free, claiming better cooling as a result.
Maybe they are wrong, but I get a black cooler with rerouted lines out of it [thumbsup]
In my climate I've never really seen a need for the larger capacity anyway.
If it turns out I do - the EVO cooler might be next. Or the NCR 8)
How hot does it get there? Why did you get a hypermotard cooler?
I have ridden in 105ºF here and never had a problem with over heating on my s2r800
pics?? ;D
Quote from: Heath on March 03, 2011, 10:59:07 AM
How hot does it get there? Why did you get a hypermotard cooler?
I have ridden in 105ºF here and never had a problem with over heating on my s2r800
I'm wondering the same thing. Overcooling is not necessarily preferred, especially since the system is not thermostatted, but the HM coolers with alternate routing of the lines is a nice setup.
BK
Quote from: stopintime on March 03, 2011, 10:26:07 AM
I know [drool] 85% better AFAIK.
The shop exchanged it for free, claiming better cooling as a result.
Maybe they are wrong, but I get a black cooler with rerouted lines out of it [thumbsup]
In my climate I've never really seen a need for the larger capacity anyway.
If it turns out I do - the EVO cooler might be next. Or the NCR 8)
in your climate maybe not.. but with your motor... probably
my air cooled bike runs hot, and if i want to improve upon it anymore, i'll not only want a bigger one, but will need a bigger one.
Febur oversized oil cooler for Hypermotard (came out before the EVO):
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/mooner469/febur.jpg)
NCR oversized oil cooler for Hypermotard (via Desmoworks):
(http://www.desmoworks.com/images/NCR0400007-ncr-oilcooler.jpg)
SC-Project Hypermotard Oversize Oil Cooler (via Motovation):
(http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/images/D05-RD.jpg)
here's an interesting visual comparo - the stock sportclassic size (same as monsters i believe) with the NCR replacement (predecessor to the current curved model):
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/mooner469/oilcooler1.jpg)
Then there's the Febur version compared to Hypermotard '08 OEM cooler(that is the Febur for Hypermotard, with port for temp sensor, unlike NCR I believe):
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/mooner469/Feburvsstock1.jpg)
Wish I had the dims of the Hypermotard 1100 EVO/SP oil cooler. Part number is 54840931A, looks like MSRP is right about $370.
I've got to say, though, that I've always thought the 'hanging' oil coolers on certain SS's looked really pretty cool (I think carb models - hung from bottom valve cover on horizontal cylinder head, instead of above head from top valve cover - think MH900e) -- Gravel and debris be damned!
(http://www.bikez.biz/pictures/1997/38475/photo.jpg)
and an MH900e photo with screen/guard from ECS:
(http://ducatipartsblowout.com/catalog/carbon/mhe%20oil%20cooler%20screen.jpg)
But I want the Febur oversized model (FE 164) - has the triangular SBK shape:
(http://www.tpr-racing.nl/pics/fe164.jpg)
Sure would make carb fiddling easier and I think it would provide more 'clean' air to the vertical cylinder (much like the carbon intake ducts coming off the frame sides are supposed to do).
Motowheels has that one in stock, and the oversized Monster one (FE163) from Febur.
Those Febur coolers look sweet.
I've seen shots of people mounting up the 999's oil cooler to the hanging mount on SS's and it looks pretty good too (and is black, so not really visible)....
Or perhaps the low mount version from NCR from the 848:
(http://www.ncrstore.com:8080/images/products/large/NCR.RADOILMAG.png)
Side view compare of Febur to OEM on '08 Hyper:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/mooner469/Feburvsstock2.jpg)
SC Project even has a model for the Hypermotard EVO, would like to know the differences in dimensions all around (so I can know if it can be adapted to other bikes'):
(http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/ProdImages/D06RD_lg.jpg)
I was originally wanting to go with a triangular cooler. I ended up replacing the stocker with an S4R cooler. I like the way it came out. If I had to do it again that curved Febur would be at the top of the list.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/pennyrobber/oilcooler/DSC03558.jpg)
The Febur looks very interesting [thumbsup] From the other forums it seems to be about $550 shipped. My only problem would be re-fitting my beloved dual oversized horns.
The EVO cooler is probably a lot taller - maybe too tall?
MotoWheels is out of stock on their cooler (right?)
I have to check if I really need it - quite $$$$'y
Yeah, the monster oversize oil cooler from Febur is listed as out of stock currently on the motowheels website.
Do You really need a bigger oilcooler? I live in Norway too and my max oil temp was 121 C the first day i ride my bike. Since that I have newer Seen it above118 C. what is Your max oil temp?
Quote from: a m on March 03, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
Yeah, the monster oversize oil cooler from Febur is listed as out of stock currently on the motowheels website.
Ed is checking availability and pricing. I think theirs might be Febur - MW part # FE 163
Quote from: errazor on March 04, 2011, 08:41:36 AM
Do You really need a bigger oilcooler? I live in Norway too and my max oil temp was 121 C the first day i ride my bike. Since that I have newer Seen it above118 C. what is Your max oil temp?
No issues normally, but the scenario I'm preparing for involves tuned engine with dB-killers.
I'll monitor the temperatures with the stock/HM cooler and compare with/without dB-killers.
I am running with the Termis, TPO beast and the DP ecu and thinking about ditching the oil cooler.
Really? What about idling in unplanned traffic?
Quote from: a m on March 04, 2011, 09:38:44 AM
Really? What about idling in unplanned traffic?
We lane split 8)
Sitting in traffic it doesn't help much anyway, does it?
Not that I would ditch it, but.....
The more surface area the merrier
Too cold oil is not good, is it? I live in a smal town (trondheim) so I am out of traffic in 5 min.
no - i have seen people tape over or cover half of oil cooler if weather is not very hot
there is also the mocal thermostats - makes oil divert back before oil cooler if under certain temperature.
here i do not think an s2r1000 would make it through the summer without oil cooler
I could probably run my s2r with out an oil cooler here. I rarely ever pass the 150* mark while commuting, and just barely pass the 200* mark on spirited rides and through traffic. :-\
Up here in the north 22 C is hot, we have 3 of these days in the year :P
Quote from: DarkStaR on March 04, 2011, 10:12:14 AM
I could probably run my s2r with out an oil cooler here. I rarely ever pass the 150* mark while commuting, and just barely pass the 200* mark on spirited rides and through traffic. :-\
F right, surely not C?
you forgot to circle the thermostat element that keeps the oil from over-cooling, shown just to the left of your box, directly after the in/out on the case. I think evoluzione used to even manufacture one that was duc specific, but now I believe it is primarily a "rig something up" via generic parts task - a la the Mocal one.
I have no temp gauge...
my bike never runs hot or cold. ;)
I tape over the cooler to keep condensation out of the level window in cool temps.
See...
no overthinking here. ;)
Quote from: cayman s on March 04, 2011, 04:42:09 PM
Actually Joshua, I'm pretty sure that the same Evoluzione Cyclesports oil thermostat that's in the picture could fit on different Ducati models and a few Aprilias too. The different bikes did require different AN connectors or hoses (in the case of Aprilias) to hook it up.
CS
That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that they are no longer available for purchase.
i should note that the pictured bike sure is chock-full of goodness. rearsets, hoop, both side carbon intakes (upper/lower), the headlight fairing, shooooooooo the list goes on. what a beaut.
Quote from: a m on March 04, 2011, 10:21:47 AM
F right, surely not C?
Positive it's F*. My bike is cold blooded for some reason. It runs about the same temp or cooler than some of my buddies water cooled japanese bikes (r6s & gsxrs) for some reason...even in the twisties and in 90* traffic. :-\
H competition make a couple of versions...
a standard and a "large"...
This being Phoenix I'm likely doing the big one.
Do we know if the fittings, on the cooler side, are the same for the HM and the HM Evo?
Edit: yes, they are [thumbsup]
At this point, the EVO cooler seems to be a strong contender.
The only worry is that I'm not sure if I need 85% better.
I also want one of those, but need to measure it's height to see if it can be squeezed in the space of the 99 M900 frame
Quote from: stopintime on March 16, 2011, 03:11:03 AM
~~SNIP~~
At this point, the EVO cooler seems to be a strong contender.
The only worry is that I'm not sure if I need 85% better.
IMO, unless you're seeing oil temp regularly approaching 300 degF...it's just bling that you'll need to cover (or partially cover) to keep oil temp up.
The SC-project and NCR coolers are quite nice, though.
Quote from: a m on March 16, 2011, 08:59:51 AM
I also want one of those, but need to measure it's height to see if it can be squeezed in the space of the 99 M900 frame
It's 8 ribs high, compared to stock 6.
Theoretically, that makes it about an inch higher (105mm vs 80mm)
In itself maybe not too much, but the connection points and lines must have some room too.
That's where the other coolers have an advantage - with their lower positioned built-in points.
I need to run semi/mineral 20/50 oil for my wet clutch not to slip after the tuning.
Maybe I need the oil to stay cooler than I would otherwise need.
We'll see after testing on dry roads and normal temperatures (a month or more)
Quote from: Speeddog on March 16, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
IMO, unless you're seeing oil temp regularly approaching 300 degF...it's just bling that you'll need to cover (or partially cover) to keep oil temp up.
The SC-project and NCR coolers are quite nice, though.
Mine runs pretty hot here (even w/ rich mixture), so I'd like the add'l cooling and vastly superior looks over my old school pre-round edges boxy oil cooler. When I do it, I will definitely track down a thermostat.
Measured a Hyper EVO cooler today.
300 x 105 x 30 mm with the fitting mounts angled a bit inward. (stock 250 x 80 x 30 mm)(roughly)
The mounting brackets, special made for EVO I assume, are 160 mm apart vs 150 stock. (need at least longer bolts and more rubber)
It wouldn't surprise me if the fittings interfere with a Monster frame.....
[coffee]
Perhaps its just taken up with the rubbers for the EVO too.
Quote from: a m on March 22, 2011, 07:11:25 AM
Perhaps its just taken up with the rubbers for the EVO too.
??
does the evo oil cooler not mount on the rubber isolators as well? I was thinking they may be longer to accommodate the wider mount points
Quote from: a m on March 22, 2011, 07:14:42 AM
does the evo oil cooler not mount on the rubber isolators as well? I was thinking they may be longer to accommodate the wider mount points
The rubber is the same part # on both applications. The bolt is not.
Maybe it's possible to re-use part of the old rubbers or just some washers + a longer bolt....
My main concern would be if there is room for it at all, it's quite large and has the fitting mounts on top of that.
Quote from: stopintime on March 22, 2011, 07:24:47 AM
My main concern would be if there is room for it at all, it's quite large
hehe. twss! ;D
Quote from: a m on March 22, 2011, 07:30:46 AM
hehe. twss! ;D
The oil should be on the outside :P
I just posted a SC Project Cooler in the 4sale forum.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47841.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47841.0)
(http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac51/rllout/sc%20project/SCProject006.jpg)
Quote from: DucNaked on April 06, 2011, 06:25:41 AM
I just posted a SC Project Cooler in the 4sale forum.
......................
I might take you up on that offer - after you adjust the price to a bargain level 8)
300?
$305!
It's better for your domestic economy to export it [evil]
295 ;D
Quote from: stopintime on April 06, 2011, 07:33:53 AM
I might take you up on that offer - after you adjust the price to a bargain level 8)
300?
I'd be willing to bargain, but I'm not going to take a $260 dollar hit! :o
Quote from: DucNaked on April 06, 2011, 07:39:35 AM
I'd be willing to bargain, but I'm not going to take a $260 dollar hit! :o
If it's not sold by then, I'll get back to you in a week or two when I know if I actually need it [thumbsup]
Quote from: DucNaked on April 06, 2011, 07:39:35 AM
I'd be willing to bargain, but I'm not going to take a $260 dollar hit! :o
alright alright alright.
$265.
Quote from: j v on April 06, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
alright alright alright.
$265.
(http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/sad/sad0049.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
If I had enough cash for a serious offer right now, I certainly would.