I know... I am in danger of becoming the harbinger of doom....
...but I just cant get my head around the scale of this.... an 8.9 magnitude earthquake just hit Japan...
8.9
"Seismologists say the quake was 160 times more powerful than the one that devastated Christchurch last month". :o
The quake was followed by a massive tsunami - which to greater or lesser degree is progressively being felt throughout the Pacific "The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued a tsunami advisories for all of North America's Pacific coast. The first waves are expected to hit North American shores as early as 7:30 a.m. PST, although their size and severity of are not known at this time."
www.abc.net.au/news (http://www.abc.net.au/news/)
www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Major+tsunami+hits+Japan+after+massive+quake (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Major+tsunami+hits+Japan+after+massive+quake/4420427/story.html?utm_source=Seesmic&utm_medium=twitter_utm_campaign=Feed%3A+canwest%2FF231+%28Edmonton+Journal+-+News+%2F+Edmonton+%26+Alberta%29&utm_content=Twitter)
Tsunami engulfs Japanese towns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezUlnsWpcaY#normal)
Japan Quake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlHO3xjZUxw#normal)
Japan is good at earthquake damage mitigation..... but 8.9 :o I dont recall ever hearing of an 8.anything quake before....
devastating... what a disaster :-\ :'(
I have a really good friend that lives there. I just talked to him and he said they're still feeling aftershocks now, almost 6 hours after the initial quake.
All of the railways are down and airports are closed, people are walking everywhere scared out of their minds. Everyone is crowding the markets and grocery stores for food and supplies.
All he keeps saying is "this is bad, really really bad!".
..upgraded from 7.9 to an 8.4?!
That is a HUGE fire!
I'm on my old computer and can't make out the video well. Is that a wave of wood and water with fire burning in the middle?
**Upgraded to 8.9 I just saw!! :o Hawaii..WA, CA, OR all Tsunami warnings.
4.5 Mag quake hits Hawaii
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 03:29:53 AM
Hawaii..WA, CA, OR all Tsunami warnings.
I heard the tsunami warnings are all the way from Alaska to South America...
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 03:29:53 AM
..upgraded from 7.9 to an 8.4?!
That is a HUGE fire!
I'm on my old computer and can't make out the video well. Is that a wave of wood and water with fire burning in the middle?
**Upgraded to 8.9 I just saw!! :o
yeah burning buildings washing along
I was up all night dealing with my flooded basement and saw all the coverage of this
crazy shit
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 11, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
Japan is good at earthquake damage mitigation..... but 8.9 :o I dont recall ever hearing of an 8.anything quake before....
the indonesian one a few years back was a 9.0
biggest ever was a 9. something in Chile
Quote from: duc750 on March 11, 2011, 03:24:43 AM
I have a really good friend that lives there. I just talked to him and he said they're still feeling aftershocks now, almost 6 hours after the initial quake.
All of the railways are down and airports are closed, people are walking everywhere scared out of their minds. Everyone is crowding the markets and grocery stores for food and supplies.
All he keeps saying is "this is bad, really really bad!".
Yes..I just saw video on Fox. Looks like a movie!! :-[
South America?!
That refinery is a nuc plant. Cooling failures.
The videos being shown with the boats hitting the bridges are bad. 44 dead so far.
Quote from: lethe on March 11, 2011, 03:35:05 AM
yeah burning buildings washing along
I was up all night dealing with my flooded basement and saw all the coverage of this
crazy shit
the indonesian one a few years back was a 9.0
biggest ever was a 9. something in Chile
Sorry to hear about your own tsunami Lethe!
No radioactive leakage at that plant..so far.
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 03:41:03 AM
Sorry to hear about your own tsunami Lethe!
No radioactive leakage at that plant..so far.
my minor thing so pales in comparison I shouldn't have even mentioned it
I was watching those videos and trying to cheer on the poor drivers to get moving, They may not have even seen the wave coming from their vantage point. :-\
I'm sure they didn't! :-\ This is like watching that Tsunami around Christmas 5-6 years ago. Caught it when it first happened and only a few people killed and you know how that turned out in the following days.
Sadly, I'm thinking this is going to be in the thousands too.
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
I'm sure they didn't! :-\ This is like watching that Tsunami around Christmas 5-6 years ago. Caught it when it first happened and only a few people killed and you know how that turned out in the following days.
Sadly, I'm thinking this is going to be in the thousands too.
Hopefully less, they are used to big earthquakes and are probably as well prepared as anyone can be. That should help somewhat. :P
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/map.japan.tsunami/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/map.japan.tsunami/index.html?hpt=T1)
Hawaii is expecting first tsunami impact in about 1 hour, the west coast in about 3 to 4 hours.
I'm staring to freak out, I only live 12 miles from the beach.
Can only hope for that!!
Crescent City, CA is supposed to get the worst of the waves later this morning. CA is supposed to get 2-3' rise at beaches around 10am
Nothing to worry about this time Lethe. You're East coast, right.
**Oh sh*t..I thought you posted being 12 miles away Lethe. That was Duc750. You in Hawaii D?
No, I'm in Los Angeles.
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 04:01:57 AM
Can only hope for that!!
Crescent City, CA is supposed to get the worst of the waves later this morning. CA is supposed to get 2-3' rise at beaches around 10am
Nothing to worry about this time Lethe. You're East coast, right.
**Oh sh*t..I thought you posted being 12 miles away Lethe. That was Duc750. You in Hawaii D?
Seems we're going to be alright then.
waves moving 500-600 mph.
3-4 Nuc plants affected but all shut down. 2000 people being evacuated. Supposedly, no radiation leak but what if it didn't shut down? Another Chernobyl..just on a larger scale??
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 04:41:29 AM
waves moving 500-600 mph.
3-4 Nuc plants affected but all shut down. 2000 people being evacuated. Supposedly, no radiation leak but what if it didn't shut down? Another Chernobyl..just on a larger scale??
1) Japan's expertise in earthquake/tsunami mitigation is second to none.
2) Japan's nuclear facilities are constructed and managed with reference to 1).
3)The Soviet's nuclear power facilities were constructed and managed with reference to vodka and getting away early for a weekend at the Dacha.
>> residents near nuclear plant evacuate (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3162149.htm) <<
They are expecting waves to start hitting any time now.
I dont think you need worry too much about the waves arriving on your shores >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3162045.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3162045.htm)
Quote from: duc750 on March 11, 2011, 04:00:40 AM
I'm staring to freak out, I only live 12 miles from the beach.
i live ~1000ft from the beach and i'm not really concerned.
Holy CRAP!! CNN has a wild video on their home page of this inundating wave with things on fire just sweeping over the land.
Be safe everyone - take no chances - get to high ground and be smart!
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 11, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
Holy CRAP!! CNN has a wild video on their home page of this inundating wave with things on fire just sweeping over the land.
... in Japan.
Pretty sure west coast USA is in no real danger.
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 04:01:57 AM
Can only hope for that!!
Crescent City, CA is supposed to get the worst of the waves later this morning. CA is supposed to get 2-3' rise at beaches around 10am
Nothing to worry about this time Lethe. You're East coast, right.
**Oh sh*t..I thought you posted being 12 miles away Lethe. That was Duc750. You in Hawaii D?
I'm 100 miles inland and at 1300 ft elevation, if there is ever a tsunami I have to worry about reaching my house, we have bigger issues.
pics:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42024158/ns/news-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42024158/ns/news-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1)
I'm living in the Philippines and we were put on Tsunami warning, but only got 30-70cm waves. Tides are bigger. If we were to be hit by 10m's it would probably wipe my island clean.
Anyone from Sydney on here? I've got a buddy who lives there and haven't been able to get in touch with him. How are things down under?
Check out this whirlpool:
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110310-japanQuake/ss-110311-japan-quake-24.ss_full.jpg)
Video:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2)
:o
NUTS! I just woke up to this on my RSS Feeds. Hope everything is okay over there. From what things seem like so far, it could of been much worst.
That all depends on how you define "not that many" so far 300-400 bodies have been found and many are still unaccounted for....
Every time I hear about big earthquakes happening, I'm reminded that here in US, Yosemite (a "super volcano") is about 30,000 years over due for an eruption... [roll]
Considering it was an 8.9, which is massive, damage from the actual earthquake doesn't look all that bad. Most of the damage looks to be caused by the Tsunamai. The 1995 Kobe EQ pictures looked worse...at least at this point.
Magnitude isn't everything though. The recent NZ EQ was only a 6.3...which isn't all that large really. However, it was only 5km deep so the shaking was very intense. This Japan EQ was 24.4km deep, which definitely helped damp the shaking.
They're still getting hammered by mid 5 magnitude aftershocks.
.http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php)
Quote from: Triple J on March 11, 2011, 08:20:10 AM
Considering it was an 8.9, which is massive, damage from the actual earthquake doesn't look all that bad. Most of the damage looks to be caused by the Tsunamai. The 1995 Kobe EQ pictures looked worse...at least at this point.
Magnitude isn't everything though. The recent NZ EQ was only a 6.3...which isn't all that large really. However, it was only 5km deep so the shaking was very intense. This Japan EQ was 24.4km deep, which definitely helped damp the shaking.
They're still getting hammered by mid 5 magnitude aftershocks.
.http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php)
The effects are very different. As a result of the 1995 EQ and the NZ EQ that you mentioned having an epicenters on the main land, the impact on local structures was more severe. The event that we're seeing here occurred deep beneath the ocean floor.
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 11, 2011, 08:27:54 AM
The effects are very different. As a result of the 1995 EQ and the NZ EQ that you mentioned having an epicenters on the main land, the impact on local structures was more severe. The event that we're seeing here occurred deep beneath the ocean floor.
That's essentially the same thing I said. Distance the energy has to travel through the ground is everything.
The exact location of the rupture which also takes into account depth (termed the hypocenter) is what's really important. The epicenter, which is just a surface expression of the hypocenter, can be misleading. It's good for the news to explain location to people, but the hypocenter location is what really matters. If the NZ EQ would have had the same epicenter but been 20km deep it would have been much less devastating.
Soils also play a huge part. Kobe was on a lot of loose fill which magnified shaking. The 1985 Mexico City earthquake was a couple hundred miles from Mexico City, but the city was still devstated due to the soils beneath it (and the poor building codes).
Interesting, I've never heard of a "hypocenter".
I'll have to read about that when I have more time! [thumbsup]
Ya, not many know if it. It's what seismologists and engineers use. The general public only hears about the epicenter.
(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/glossary/images/EpicenterHypocenter.gif)
Anyway, the only silver lining in this is that if anyone is set up to deal with this it is the Japanese. Earthquakes are a way of life for them. Hopefully the destruction doesn't get too out of hand. :-\
unreal.....pics
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/)
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j05_11114869.jpg)
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j06_RTR2JR0Y.jpg)
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j14_RTR2JQRS.jpg)
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j27_RTR2JR49.jpg)
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j29_RTR2JR6G.jpg)
my heartfelt condolences to all people affected by this in Japan and around the globe. This is truly a devastating event that we have no control over. I am so sorry for the lives that this has shattered and taken.
My best wishes to the people of Japan.
Erica.
this is seriously intense.
for those not familiar with the richter scale, each unit of intensity goes up by a factor of 10. meaning a 8.0 is 10x more powerful than a 7.0.
this was an 8.9. haiti was a 7.0 and christchurch was 7.1 if i recall correctly.
we're talking about 80x more powerful to give you a comparison to recent tragedies.
i know we have some members in japan, i hope everyone is safe
:'(
Quote from: live2ride on March 11, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
this is seriously intense.
for those not familiar with the richter scale, each unit of intensity goes up by a factor of 10. meaning a 8.0 is 10x more powerful than a 7.0.
this was an 8.9. haiti was a 7.0 and christchurch was 7.1 if i recall correctly.
we're talking about 80x more powerful to give you a comparison to recent tragedies.
i know we have some members in japan, i hope everyone is safe
I think that I heard this was the 5th strongest quake on record....ever. :-\
What's really worrisome now is that they (Japan) are trouble cooling the Fukushima nuclear reactor (160 miles north of Tokyo) because emergency coolant transfer systems are offline. There's talk of releasing some radiative steam to relieve pressure at the reactor, and have thus started a "precautionary" evacuation of the area immediately around the plant.
This brings to mind the reactor disaster at Three Mile Island back in '79. Scary stuff!!
Quote from: live2ride on March 11, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
christchurch was 7.1 if i recall correctly.
6.3. Not all that large really, but shallow and the buildings were old.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2011/usb0001igm/ (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2011/usb0001igm/)
My ex is there and pregnant. Her hubby i currently underway. She's been scared shitless as she couldn't get a hold of her family until just a lil while ago. Her phone's FB was working. But, she had no power at the house. It was cold and dark everywhere.
No bueno, no bueno at all.
Sorry to hear that. Hope all's ok.
Check this out - see how the waves traveled:
http://gizmodo.com/#!5781040/see-japans-massive-underwater-earthquake-ripple-across-the-world (http://gizmodo.com/#!5781040/see-japans-massive-underwater-earthquake-ripple-across-the-world)
This is just horrifying. Any board members in the areas affected? You have my thoughts and prayers - I'll be donating as soon as the major NGOs are set up to receive funds, but please tell us how we can help.
Contacting U.S. citizens in Japan:
U.S. citizens in Japan who need help, or people concerned about U.S. citizens there, can email the State Department at JapanEmergencyUSC@state.gov or call 1-888-407-4747 or 202-647-5225.
Donations: American Red Cross -
http://american.redcross.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main&s_src=RSG000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton (http://american.redcross.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main&s_src=RSG000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton)
The devastation is incredible.
This is scary...
Japan earthquake factbox: Entire Japan coast shifted 2.4 metres, earth axis moves ten inches
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan+earthquake+factbox+Entire+Japan+coast+shifted+metres+earth+axis+moves+inches/4425617/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan+earthquake+factbox+Entire+Japan+coast+shifted+metres+earth+axis+moves+inches/4425617/story.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 11, 2011, 02:37:33 PM
Japan earthquake factbox: Entire Japan coast shifted 2.4 metres, earth axis moves ten inches
Damn!
Quote from: ducpainter on March 11, 2011, 02:37:33 PM
The devastation is incredible.
This is scary...
Japan earthquake factbox: Entire Japan coast shifted 2.4 metres, earth axis moves ten inches
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan+earthquake+factbox+Entire+Japan+coast+shifted+metres+earth+axis+moves+inches/4425617/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan+earthquake+factbox+Entire+Japan+coast+shifted+metres+earth+axis+moves+inches/4425617/story.html)
I recall the Indonesian one caused similar movement.
Just think of the energy involved to do that, crazy.
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 11, 2011, 07:28:43 AM
Anyone from Sydney on here? I've got a buddy who lives there and haven't been able to get in touch with him. How are things down under?
:o
Everything is fine down here. ;)
Can't describe the way I'm feeling right now. Mother nature is a cruel pregnant dog.
So CA did get a bit of it afterall. I see some people in OR didn't pay attention to the warnings either and got swept out in the ocean. It was their lucky day though.
Nakid is over in Yokosuka naval base. I interviewed with them last summer. They weren't affected but they will be helping ouy a lot with the rescue efforts. Dana..think that's his name..is up at Yakota AFB. Just west of Tokyo. All military personel accounted for. What number is being reported now for the victims?
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 08:32:32 PM
What number is being reported now for the victims?
According to Japanese news update an hour ago, at least 398 dead and 805 missing.
:'(
Quote from: IZ on March 11, 2011, 04:41:29 AM3-4 Nuc plants affected but all shut down. 2000 people being evacuated. Supposedly, no radiation leak but what if it didn't shut down? Another Chernobyl..just on a larger scale??
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 11, 2011, 12:46:44 PMWhat's really worrisome now is that they (Japan) are trouble cooling the Fukushima nuclear reactor (160 miles north of Tokyo) because emergency coolant transfer systems are offline. There's talk of releasing some radiative steam to relieve pressure at the reactor, and have thus started a "precautionary" evacuation of the area immediately around the plant.This brings to mind the reactor disaster at Three Mile Island back in '79. Scary stuff!!
Shit. It seems you were both correct to air such concerns...
:(
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 11, 2011, 04:54:17 AM
1) Japan's expertise in earthquake/tsunami mitigation is second to none.
2) Japan's nuclear facilities are constructed and managed with reference to 1).
And I was overly optimistic.
:(
Fukushima Nuclear Plant Explosion (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/12/3162450.htm)
:(
Shit. Shit. Shit.
:(
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 12, 2011, 02:48:49 AM
Shit. Shit. Shit.
:(
+1
This could be bad for
everybody..... :-\
Isn't this how AKIRA started?
On July 16, 1988, Tokyo is destroyed by an apparent nuclear explosion, leading to the start of World War III.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_%28film%29)
Haven't seen that in years.
Good news?
Edano said the radiation around the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant had not risen after the blast, but had in fact decreased. He did not say why that was so. The pressure in the reactor was also decreasing after the blast, he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110312/as-japan-earthquake/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110312/as-japan-earthquake/)
I guess we'll find out.
Hopefully not a precursor to somehow worse news. :-\
Latest reports do indeed seem to be just slightly less worrisome.....
"It appears the outer structure of the building that houses the reactor blew off in the explosion, but Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, says the reactor's inner container sustained no damage"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/12/3162554.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/12/3162554.htm)
That was reported in the Huff Post article also.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 12, 2011, 05:31:28 AM
That was reported in the Huff Post article also.
Good, if the journalists all say it often enough it just could be true.
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 12, 2011, 05:34:06 AM
Good, if the journalists all say it often enough it just could be true.
Well, the problem with that is it's similar to weather reports...
all the info comes from the same propaganda source.
It is appearing a lot worse than original reports - which makes perfect sense after seeing the videos and pictures of the waves.
tens of thousands is the missing number now...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8378631/Japan-earthquake-tens-of-thousands-missing-as-full-devastation-emerges.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8378631/Japan-earthquake-tens-of-thousands-missing-as-full-devastation-emerges.html)
2 reactors are likely melting down. I think the information released is not completely transparent yet...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSTRE72B3GI20110312 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSTRE72B3GI20110312)
Words fail..... I feel so sorry and helpless. But there will be fund raisers, no doubt. It'll be something.
:'(
oh, geez...
watching the video of the tsunami washing over everything made me feel sick... :P
:'(
After seeing that videos footage, Mother Nature wins. No way those Nuc plants weren't going to suffer. How are the people doing now on food and water?
It seems as tough each new disaster is worse than the last. Maybe its due to media coverage, but clearly something is going on here. If that epicenter was 200miles south near Tokyo, what would be the damage and casualty? What if a 9.0 hit 2 miles off coast of San Fran? I have to say thanks that these events are not hitting the major cities or we could be looking at hundreds of thousands.
9,000 missing from a town.. that's the whole fuken town... reactor meltdown will happen
Quote from: cokey on March 12, 2011, 05:22:45 PM
9,000 missing from a town.. that's the whole fuken town... reactor meltdown will happen
It's a tsunami, what do you expect? The EQ wasn't that far off the coast so some towns pretty much got enough warning to call your friends and say goodbye. Unlike the EQ, you don't engineer for a tsunami. They're too scary and too far between to make the cost worth it. Sounds bad, I know.
This whole earthquake/tsunami thing is crazy. I have watched several videos and still can't get over it.
Now, there are 10s of thousands with no food or water or a place to sleep.
It's just mind blowing.
Hey guys, ducatini sent me a message asking how we are. I haven't been on here in a while, but we are south of Tokyo, about 300 miles from the epicenter. The base is designed to take hits like this so we suffered no damages or power outages. Now, the city of Yokosuka (the base is in this city) has a bit of damage, power failures and the such. My family and I are fine, but like others have said, the real problem coming up is going to be supplies. We are an island country that has most things shipped in. All of the ports are closed so you can imagine what that means...
Quote from: NAKID on March 13, 2011, 12:36:00 AM
Hey guys, ducatini sent me a message asking how we are. I haven't been on here in a while, but we are south of Tokyo, about 300 miles from the epicenter. The base is designed to take hits like this so we suffered no damages or power outages. Now, the city of Yokosuka (the base is in this city) has a bit of damage, power failures and the such. My family and I are fine, but like others have said, the real problem coming up is going to be supplies. We are an island country that has most things shipped in. All of the ports are closed so you can imagine what that means...
Glad to hear you and the family are safe Chris.
Images and footage are just.... sickening...
(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201103/r733551_5936140.jpg)
(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201103/r733166_5929086.jpg)
(http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201103/r733151_5928814.jpg)
10,000+ dead now :'(
...and that's before we account for nuke meltdowns..... about which there now seem to be confusing and contradictory reports:
>> Nuclear Reactor Meltdown? (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/13/3162752.htm)
>> Or Explosion, but No Meltdowns (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/13/3162802.htm)
well, there definitely was an explosion. Whether it's considered a melt down yet? Haven't heard the "official" word.
BTW, the "official" word in Japan seems to be not always the whole truth. A lot of hiding the truth of just how bad things really are going on here...
Good to hear you and the family are ok Chris.
Quote from: NAKID on March 13, 2011, 05:25:19 AM
well, there definitely was an explosion. Whether it's considered a melt down yet? Haven't heard the "official" word.
BTW, the "official" word in Japan seems to be not always the whole truth. A lot of hiding the truth of just how bad things really are going on here...
Bear in mind that there is no technical definition of "meltdown." It's a general term and more used by the news than the Nuc industry.
Well, here is what they're throwing all over the TV to define it:
melt·down
[melt-doun]
â€"noun
the melting of a significant portion of a nuclear-reactor core due to inadequate cooling of the fuel elements, a condition that could lead to the escape of radiation.
Just saying...
So then, whilst a significant explosion has occurred at at least one nuclear power plant..... this >>
Quote from: NAKID on March 13, 2011, 06:06:57 AMthe melting of a significant portion of a nuclear-reactor core due to inadequate cooling of the fuel elements, a condition that could lead to the escape of radiation.
<< has not (yet) occurred, or been confirmed as having occurred?
Quote from: NAKID on March 13, 2011, 06:06:57 AM
Well, here is what they're throwing all over the TV to define it:
melt·down
[melt-doun]
â€"noun
the melting of a significant portion of a nuclear-reactor core due to inadequate cooling of the fuel elements, a condition that could lead to the escape of radiation.
Just saying...
in one of the MSNBC articles, one of the guys interviewed from a nuc agency said there's no technical definition of it, but that in general, it refers to some wide, massive failure of the system. i'll see if i can find the quote.
Good to hear you're all doing well Chris (this is Yuu with a new name btw)
Consensus seems to be that a melt down happens when the fuel burns through containment and is exposed to the world at large.
At 8.9 this quake is in the top 10 recorded quakes. Probably the top 5.
It's mind boggling to see what's happened
Upgraded to 9.0
Quote from: ducatiz on March 13, 2011, 06:19:18 AM
in one of the MSNBC articles, one of the guys interviewed from a nuc agency said there's no technical definition of it, but that in general, it refers to some wide, massive failure of the system. i'll see if i can find the quote.
I dont really care about the semantic definition of "meltdown".
What I'm interested to learn is if the confirmed explosion has led to (or is likely to lead to) any catastrophic reactor failure resulting in significant irradiation of the community at large.
Hi Chris, good hearing from you. Great knowing all is good with you and your family.
Quote from: howie on March 13, 2011, 08:55:58 AM
Hi Chris, good hearing from you. Great knowing all is good with you and your family.
+1 [thumbsup]
here is a pretty good explanation
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html (http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html)
Quote from: Sad Panda on March 13, 2011, 06:21:51 AM
Consensus seems to be that a melt down happens when the fuel burns through containment and is exposed to the world at large.
Consensus of whom? A melt down is when some of the fuel melts. It doesn't have to burn through containment to be considered a melt down, and it all doesn't have to melt.
People always remember Chernobyl when they think about a meltdown, but that was an extreme worst case condition.
Quote from: mitt on March 13, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
here is a pretty good explanation
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html (http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html)
Good article [thumbsup]
Quote from: scduc on March 12, 2011, 03:56:32 PM
It seems as tough each new disaster is worse than the last. Maybe its due to media coverage, but clearly something is going on here. If that epicenter was 200miles south near Tokyo, what would be the damage and casualty? What if a 9.0 hit 2 miles off coast of San Fran? I have to say thanks that these events are not hitting the major cities or we could be looking at hundreds of thousands.
It only seems that way due to the media, combined with our increasingly centralized populations. Nature has always laid the smack down on us though. There is a ton of evidence of massive 9+ earthquakes in the geologic record.
You're correct on the potential for devastation. Wait until the next earthquake in Istanbul. It's coming soon, and it will be very ugly due to their very dense population and lax (and corrupt) building codes.
That whirlpool still interests me. So I understand the natural whirlpools are created differently in nature than in your tub or toilet but it seems to me that they're normally created by a difference in current. I'm guessing that's not the case with this one? This one seems like more of a toilet whirlpool to me with a giant crack in the sea floor. How's that work? My geology is weak so maybe I don't understand this thing at all.
Quote from: erkishhorde on March 13, 2011, 10:32:30 AM
That whirlpool still interests me. So I understand the water can't just disappear into thin air so it's gotta be a crack in the floor. But is it like a toilet that will stop eventually or is it like a tub and it's not gonna stop unless a big rock falls into it?
I don't think it's a hole in the floor, it's just a huge volume of water moving, causing a big eddy
Oh, I get it now that I watch a different video of the whirlpool.
Uzumaki whirlpool Japan tsunami (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU8zyscGWe4#normal)
All the things I read said that whirlpools usually appear in straights and so I got confused when it looked like it was happening right there in the open waters. Now I see that video before was just really zoomed in. The man-made harbor is channeling the tsunami flood water as it recedes which is causing the whirlpool because there's something on the ocean floor creating drag, yes?
10' wave spotted. :x
I hope people get enough food and water, I heart goes out to the victims and their families.
2nd explosion occurred. Another Hydrogen pressure build up.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm)
http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf (http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf)
Words just fail where sadness wins so decisively. Sorry folks, half crocked. I am going to watch my kids sleep.
Three Mile Island scenario possible but not inevitable. But no Chernobyl. >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/14/3163650.htm?section=justin (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/14/3163650.htm?section=justin) << So, a monumental failure rather than a total catastrophe seems likely?
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 14, 2011, 02:20:08 AM
Three Mile Island scenario possible but not inevitable. But no Chernobyl. >> So, a monumental failure rather than a total catastrophe seems likely?
No doubt whatsoever about the monumental failure.
Any time you introduce salt water or seawater into a system like that, it becomes a total writeoff.
the reactors cant be easily cleaned so they require the ultimate in pure water. the salt water for cooling and boric acid to slow the neutron reaction guarantees the plant will never be used again. Billion dollars down the drain...
Quote from: il d00d on March 14, 2011, 12:14:10 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm)
http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf (http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf)
Words just fail where sadness wins so decisively. Sorry folks, half crocked. I am going to watch my kids sleep.
that abc.net.au link was amazing (in a bad way) - thanks for linking it.
mitt
Quote from: NAKID on March 14, 2011, 03:53:02 AM
the reactors cant be easily cleaned so they require the ultimate in pure water. the salt water for cooling and boric acid to slow the neutron reaction guarantees the plant will never be used again. Billion dollars down the drain...
i read that the Fukushima plant was to be decommissioned but was given another 10 years recently after passing some inspection. all of them built by GE in the 60s
It doesn't matter when it was built and by whom when there was an 8.9 earthquake "in the front yard" followed by a tsunami. Those two natural occurences even in their own right let alone in combination have a tendency to screw up anything we stupid monkeys create and/or plan for.
Quote from: Drjones on March 14, 2011, 08:29:07 AM
It doesn't matter when it was built and by whom when there was an 8.9 earthquake "in the front yard" followed by a tsunami. Those two natural occurences even in their own right let alone in combination have a tendency to screw up anything we stupid monkeys create and/or plan for.
i think you missed his point.
I heard this AM that a US Aircraft Carrier 100 miles off the coast had to move further out to sea because it was detecting radiation. :-\
The good news is that means that the wind is carrying radiation out to see rather than inland. The question is, where will it end up? Hawaii??
Nope. They planned to continue using the plant, but nature screwed up that plan. Every point was well covered, but thanks for the concern. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 14, 2011, 09:41:21 AM
I heard this AM that a US Aircraft Carrier 100 miles off the coast had to move further out to sea because it was detecting radiation. :-\
The good news is that means that the wind is carrying radiation out to see rather than inland. The question is, where will it end up? Hawaii??
I heard the same on CNN, and that a helo crew nearby was exposed and they had to be treated.
Quote from: Monsterlover on March 14, 2011, 09:45:59 AM
I heard the same on CNN, and that a helo crew nearby was exposed and they had to be treated.
Wow - that's horrible. Doesn't that lead you to wonder how much of a cap the Japanese gov't has placed on the actual danger level of the radiation.
Here in AZ we have a nuclear energy plant about 45 miles from central Phoenix (population approx 1,321,045), from time to time I've worried about our proximity in the event of a dangerous situation like this. :-\
Navy is saying the radiation exposure on the helicopter was very minor...equal to about one months worth of normal background radiation. Crew decontaminated with soap and water.
The carrier group was moved to a different area apparently as a precaution, not because they detected radiation.
I hear you.
Perry nuke plant is East of me out in OH. The weather always goes from OH to PA so if that thing goes.. . .
a 3rd eye I will grow.
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 14, 2011, 09:54:23 AM
Here in AZ we have a nuclear energy plant about 45 miles from central Phoenix (population approx 1,321,045), from time to time I've worried about our proximity in the event of a dangerous situation like this. :-\
I wouldn't worry too much. You aren't in a real seismically active part of the country, and a tsunamai isn't going to happen. Human error is about the only thing that could happen...and that is very unlikely.
The alternative is continuously breathing the thousands of tons of pollutants discharged by a coal or gas power plant. :-\ Power isn't free.
Quote from: Triple J on March 14, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
I wouldn't worry too much. You aren't in a real seismically active part of the country, and a tsunamai isn't going to happen. Human error is about the only thing that could happen...and that is very unlikely.
You're absolutely right. Odds are very remote, but the thought is frightening and lends itself in a small way to relate what the people of Japan must be facing. God be with them.
In a small attempt at levity on a sincerely tragic topic, someone said to me this morning that with the radiation going out to sea, we'll probably see a dear friend of the Japanese come to save the day:
(http://download.lavadomefive.com/members/BigClawz/NewGFilms-GvSG-GodzillaWaterRoar04.jpg)
;)
Unbelievable the destruction of a tsunamai. Geez. :-\
Before/After pics:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm)
derby from page 7, 2nd post.
not that it really matters
:(
Fukushima plants weren't the only ones affected btw, but are the only ones were the cooling system backup generators were damaged by the tsunami leaving only the battery backup which only lasts 8 hours leaving pumping seawater the only option. If the generators weren't damaged then the Fukushima plants would be OK, since they shut down normally when the quake happened.
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 14, 2011, 10:01:52 AM
You're absolutely right. Odds are very remote, but the thought is frightening and lends itself in a small way to relate what the people of Japan must be facing. God be with them.
In a small attempt at levity on a sincerely tragic topic, someone said to me this morning that with the radiation going out to sea, we'll probably see a dear friend of the Japanese come to save the day:
(http://download.lavadomefive.com/members/BigClawz/NewGFilms-GvSG-GodzillaWaterRoar04.jpg)
;)
Godzilla cant do much unless hes got retarded deep pockets.
Another set-back
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110314/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis)
Quote from: Dan on March 14, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
Another set-back
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/15/3164151.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/15/3164151.htm)
Things are going worse. Before this is done, I think it will be closer to the Chernobyl disaster than 3 mile island.... This could be bad, very bad, for not just Japan, but the entire globe from an environmental and economic standpoint.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703908304576201382455819162.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703908304576201382455819162.html)
I had the impression from the start that this was worse than the government and utility was admitting.
mitt
I think that the next big question that I have yet to see being addressed is if there is in fact a radiation cloud following the jet-stream, where will it end up and how will that impact Hawaii and the west coast of the US??
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 14, 2011, 07:50:49 PM
I think that the next big question that I have yet to see being addressed is if there is in fact a radiation cloud following the jet-stream, where will it end up and how will that impact Hawaii and the west coast of the US??
One of the dozen videos I watched addressed that. It is here but you might have to watch a couple vids to get to the one with those details:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-radiation-leaking-fukushima-nuclear-plant-explodes/story?id=13131123&page=2 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-radiation-leaking-fukushima-nuclear-plant-explodes/story?id=13131123&page=2)
Much like the rest of the information out there, the answer was open ended. Yes, the extreme heat of the meltdown could loft radioactive material into the jet stream. Yes, some of it will make it to the US and its territories. But, the amount will be "safe".
As a side note, the first outside hint something was wrong in Chernobyl was from a Swedish nuclear facility that was monitoring air. It is pretty easy to spread around when material burns.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on March 14, 2011, 08:18:56 PMAs a side note, the first outside hint something was wrong in Chernobyl was from a Swedish nuclear facility that was monitoring air. It is pretty easy to spread around when material burns.
mitt
If its any consolation, I was in North Eastern Sweden when they detected incoming from Chernobyl. As far as I know, I dont glow in the dark.
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 14, 2011, 07:50:49 PM
I think that the next big question that I have yet to see being addressed is if there is in fact a radiation cloud following the jet-stream, where will it end up and how will that impact Hawaii and the west coast of the US??
For now I think you can save your concern for the unfortunate citizens of Japan, I seriously doubt that the USA will feel any direct ill effects. Economic repercussions notwithstanding.
even if carried in a jet stream, temperature effects, weather conditions and patterns will probably degrade the radiation to the point of no effect. Though I can't say for sure, but if i had to put my money on it, i wouldnt be all too concerned.
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 14, 2011, 11:00:19 PM
For now I think you can save your concern for the unfortunate citizens of Japan, I seriously doubt that the USA will feel any direct ill effects. Economic repercussions notwithstanding.
Yep. It is natural to wonder and worry, but for what concern I have over what the jet stream may bring our way, I am utterly horrified about what may just blow down the road in Japan. I am sure everyone else here is, too.
Interesting reading, and by way of demonstrating that there is such a thing as a safe level of radiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose)
Quote from: Triple J on March 14, 2011, 09:56:19 AM
The carrier group was moved to a different area apparently as a precaution, not because they detected radiation.
Not true. The Reagan were moved specifically because of the radiation detected.
On another note, my carrier detected radiation this morning as well. As a precaution, the base has recommended that everyone stay inside with the windows closed. Again, just as a precaution. The normal radiation received from natural background sources (radon, cosmic rays, etc) is 360mrem. The amount detected on the flight crew was 17mrem...
Are you talking about Yokosuka Navy base when you say they recommending stay indoors Chris?! That's in Yokahoma...south of Tokyo!
Yes, on base, but we are not in Yokohama. Yokohama is a few stops up towards Tokyo. Yeah, we're about 75 miles from Tokyo.
BTW, we just had a huge 6.0 aftershock, epicenter was about 10k from here!!!!
Yeah, just saw that aftershock. Stay safe with your family!
Chris, we had no idea you and your family had been relocated out there. By all means, stay safe!
Amongst the aid flowing from the U.S. is a U-2 will be used to capture high-resolution, broad area synoptic imagery to help the Japanese identify the location and extent of damage caused by the earthquake and tsunami.
What's it been now...6 months at least, right?
Quote from: IZ on March 15, 2011, 10:08:23 AM
What's it been now...6 months at least, right?
Adam, you're the other one hard to keep track of - you move around more than anyone!! [cheeky]
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 15, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Amongst the aid flowing from the U.S. is a U-2 will be used to capture high-resolution, broad area synoptic imagery to help the Japanese identify the location and extent of damage caused by the earthquake and tsunami.
The concept of high resolution and broad area imagery are completely contradictory to each other. Just saying...
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2011, 02:06:13 PM
The concept of high resolution and broad area imagery are completely contradictory to each other. Just saying...
Military intelligence?
Quote from: Dan on March 15, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
Military intelligence?
[laugh]
And yes, those two terms are generally contradictory as well.
interesting read on alt nuclear fuels
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-08/thorium-reactors-could-wean-world-oil-just-five-years (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-08/thorium-reactors-could-wean-world-oil-just-five-years)
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 15, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
[laugh]
And yes, those two terms are generally contradictory as well.
Don't you mean the concept of central intelligence... [cheeky]
Quote from: NAKID on March 15, 2011, 12:39:47 AM
Not true. The Reagan were moved specifically because of the radiation detected.
By the helicopter, or the Reagan itself? The article I read said the carrier was moved because of what was detected by the helicopter. It could have been wrong though. Doesn't matter now as things have gotten worse. :-\
Quote from: Monster Dave on March 15, 2011, 10:11:02 AM
Adam, you're the other one hard to keep track of - you move around more than anyone!! [cheeky]
[laugh] In NC scoping out a new place to call home..
temporarily. ;)
Actually, this will probably be it for awhile while we raise the little one.
Anyway, what's the latest word? I heard another fire at #4. Chris..anymore aftershocks down in Yokosuka way?
I salute those people who are at the reactors trying to manage the unmanageable...
talk about sacrifice
Quote from: RAT900 on March 15, 2011, 04:24:08 PM
I salute those people who are at the reactors trying to manage the unmanageable...
talk about sacrifice
The ultimate!!
Quote from: IZ on March 15, 2011, 04:36:48 PM
The ultimate!!
Likely will be, for some of them
Quote from: IZ on March 15, 2011, 04:22:48 PM
[laugh] In NC scoping out a new place to call home..
temporarily. ;)
Actually, this will probably be it for awhile while we raise the little one.
Anyway, what's the latest word? I heard another fire at #4. Chris..anymore aftershocks down in Yokosuka way?
You were moving to Japan as well weren't you? And NZ.
So, if you don't end up moving to NC, will there be an earthquake there as well?
believe me stinky...we've already talked about this! :x the next big one is supposed to be up in the NW. We already lived there. Maybe they'll be spared?!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110315/wl_time/httpnewsfeedtimecom20110315miraclesinjapanfourmontholdbaby70yearoldwomanfoundalivexidrssfullworldyahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110315/wl_time/httpnewsfeedtimecom20110315miraclesinjapanfourmontholdbaby70yearoldwomanfoundalivexidrssfullworldyahoo)
:)
Clutching at straws now?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166038.htm?section=justin (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166038.htm?section=justin)
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 16, 2011, 06:47:55 AM
Clutching at straws now?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166038.htm?section=justin (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/17/3166038.htm?section=justin)
Difficult to sit and do nothing.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 16, 2011, 06:54:51 AM
Difficult to sit and do nothing.
True. But something about urinating into the wind comes to mind......
Well, it is kind of fun....until the wind shifts.
Quote from: ungeheuer on March 16, 2011, 06:47:55 AM
Clutching at straws now?
Like DP said, you can't really stand around. Might be straws, but there's a chance, ever so small as it may be, that it can help.
Despite all the bad news, it's been good to hear the citizens are being so
Japanese about it. No tales of looting, hoarding etc. I'm sure there's some bad stuff going on, but not like we get here.
http://genkienglish.net/teaching/japan-earthquake-and-the-irresponsible-foreign-media (http://genkienglish.net/teaching/japan-earthquake-and-the-irresponsible-foreign-media)
West Coast Quake Likely To Happen This Month (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkDiCjkggx8&feature=related#normal)
Another 6.5 near vanuatu.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110317/ap_on_re_as/as_vanuatu_quake (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110317/ap_on_re_as/as_vanuatu_quake)
Quote from: erkishhorde on March 16, 2011, 10:03:13 PM
West Coast Quake Likely To Happen This Month (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkDiCjkggx8&feature=related#normal)
The west coast has earthquakes ALL THE TIME. If he's going to sit here and predict there will be an earthquake on the west coast this month, then I say DUH. In the last hour alone, according to the USGS, there have been 5 earthquakes in Cali. In the last week, there have been 7 in the Oregon/Washington area. I'm not going to completely discount his theories but I'm a skeptic.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/ (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Berkland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Berkland)
This planet is not to be trusted....very shifty sort of crusty mudball....time to migrate to a more stable environment
Quote from: RAT900 on March 17, 2011, 12:36:31 AM
This planet is not to be trusted....very shifty sort of crusty mudball....time to migrate to a more stable environment
http://www.lunarregistry.com/ (http://www.lunarregistry.com/)
http://www.marsshop.com/ (http://www.marsshop.com/)
i was thinking more like this..http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/fast-company-calendar/fast-company-now-blog/how-build-your-own-spaceship (http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/fast-company-calendar/fast-company-now-blog/how-build-your-own-spaceship)
Military considering mandatory evacuations in Yokosuka Naval Base. So, you and the family coming home then Chris?
In case you haven't seen this already - the cartoon explaining the nuclear reactor crisis to Japanese kids is awesome...
Nuclear Boy Has to Poo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA#normal)
In the end it all comes down to this:
The End of the World (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpjgl2baLs#normal)
[laugh]
The nut job wasn't entirely wrong but he wasn't really right either.
7.0 quake near the border of Burma and Thailand. Shallow too, about the same as Haiti. Not along the ring of fire either.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/24/myanmar.quake/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/24/myanmar.quake/index.html)
Send a kind word:
http://www.toyotasupportforjapan.com/ (http://www.toyotasupportforjapan.com/)
Also, while it will take quite a long time for Japan to return to anything close to normalcy, they are quite capable of moving very quickly to rebuild.
For instance, a roadway chronicled in this Autoblog.com post: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/24/japanese-repair-quake-ravaged-road-in-just-six-days/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/24/japanese-repair-quake-ravaged-road-in-just-six-days/)
A concrete pumping truck is headed to Fukushima to assist with the cooling of the nuclear reactors: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/25/meet-the-203-foot-truck-on-its-way-to-save-fukushimas-no-4-rea/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/25/meet-the-203-foot-truck-on-its-way-to-save-fukushimas-no-4-rea/)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 25, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Also, while it will take quite a long time for Japan to return to anything close to normalcy, they are quite capable of moving very quickly to rebuild.
For instance, a roadway chronicled in this Autoblog.com post: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/24/japanese-repair-quake-ravaged-road-in-just-six-days/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/24/japanese-repair-quake-ravaged-road-in-just-six-days/)
While any amount of road destroyed like that and then repaired quickly is amazing, how much are we talking about? 100 m or 100 km?
In any event, I am gobsmacked they were able to do that. Just shows what you can do if you STFU and get to work.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 25, 2011, 08:07:23 PM
While any amount of road destroyed like that and then repaired quickly is amazing, how much are we talking about? 100 m or 100 km?
In any event, I am gobsmacked they were able to do that. Just shows what you can do if you STFU and get to work.
that particular stretch was 150m.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on March 25, 2011, 08:12:41 PM
that particular stretch was 150m.
like i said, pretty amazing.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 25, 2011, 08:22:48 PM
like i said, pretty amazing.
+1
From the article:
Quote
Given the fact that road crews in the U.S. can spend three or more months repairing a single lane of concrete, only to leave the orange barrels on the road for another two weeks, we're blown away by this feat of engineering. Simply amazing.
The difference exhibited here is the work ethic.
Quote from: DRKWNG on March 26, 2011, 05:09:15 AM
The difference exhibited here is the work ethic.
Wrong. The difference here is emergency work vs. low bid contract work. Comparing the two is ridiculous.
For instance, check to see how quickly the Bay Bridge was repaired after Loma Prieta in 1989(which was a tough repair), or how long it took to get I-880 was repaired in the Bay Area after a portion of it collapsed due to a massive truck fire a few years ago. The US is just as capable of cleaning up when it's needed, working around the clock to get something done.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 25, 2011, 08:07:23 PM
While any amount of road destroyed like that and then repaired quickly is amazing, how much are we talking about? 100 m or 100 km?
150
meters
The statement below from the article ia about as stupid as they get, and shows the authors complete lack of understanding of the heavy construction industry.
Given the fact that road crews in the U.S. can spend three or more months repairing a single lane of concrete, only to leave the orange barrels on the road for another two weeks, we're blown away by this feat of engineering. Simply amazing.
Not to take away from work the guys did, and are doing, in Japan. [thumbsup] [bow_down] I just think it's a stupid statement.
Anyone else noticed that there is almost no aspect of the whole earthquake damage/recovery process in Japan that is not getting blown totally out of proportion by English media?
Bad news: 7.4-magnitude earthquake strikes off coast of Miyagi, Japan, Japan's meteorological agency says.
Quote from: Monster Dave on April 07, 2011, 08:06:15 AM
Bad news: 7.4-magnitude earthquake strikes off coast of Miyagi, Japan, Japan's meteorological agency says.
Who cares?!
The Bronx Zoo is about to unveil the escaped cobra's name!! !! !! !! [popcorn]
[roll]
Quote from: IZ on April 07, 2011, 09:10:40 AM
Who cares?!
The Bronx Zoo is about to unveil the escaped cobra's name!! !! !! !! [popcorn]
[roll]
[laugh]
(http://www.godspeed.dk/officerBarbrady.gif)
Some things truly are set in stone.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/japan-tsunami-warnings-fr_n_845818.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/japan-tsunami-warnings-fr_n_845818.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
Some things truly are set in stone.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/japan-tsunami-warnings-fr_n_845818.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/japan-tsunami-warnings-fr_n_845818.html)
Sad how we so easily forget...or neglect to listen.
Another prime example is in San Francisco. The 1906 EQ there ruptured water lines throughout the city, leading to it burning down. In the re-build engineers built a highly redundant water supply system to prevent this from happening again.
Fast forward to 1989 EQ. Over the previous 50 years the water department had removed a lot of the redundancy in the sytem because it was...wait for it...redundant. When the 1989 EQ hit you can guess what happened...no water. The only reason the city didn't burn down again was due to the typical on-shore afternoon breeze not being present, and SF had a couple fire boats that could pump water from the Bay. It was very close though, as described by the then fire chief.
Nothing is new.
Make me wonder more and more about the Myans..... [roll]
Quote from: Triple J on April 07, 2011, 12:03:02 PM
Sad how we so easily forget...or neglect to listen.
Another prime example is in San Francisco. The 1906 EQ there ruptured water lines throughout the city, leading to it burning down. In the re-build engineers built a highly redundant water supply system to prevent this from happening again.
Fast forward to 1989 EQ. Over the previous 50 years the water department had removed a lot of the redundancy in the sytem because it was...wait for it...redundant. When the 1989 EQ hit you can guess what happened...no water. The only reason the city didn't burn down again was due to the typical on-shore afternoon breeze not being present, and SF had a couple fire boats that could pump water from the Bay. It was very close though, as described by the then fire chief.
Nothing is new.
It would be incredible if there were people smart enough to undue the redundancy in public school paperwork! [roll]
Quote from: IZ on April 07, 2011, 12:38:55 PM
It would be incredible if there were people smart enough to undue the redundancy in public school paperwork! [roll]
It would be even more incredible if the people teaching school knew the correct word was undo. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
It would be even more incredible if the people teaching school knew the correct word was undo. [thumbsup]
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
and pay attention!!
azz!! [cheeky]
Quote from: IZ on April 07, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
and pay attention!!
azz!! [cheeky]
so...
you...as an slp, have a problem with the English language...
and that makes me an azz?
That makes me want to violate several board rules. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
so...
you...as an slp, have a problem with the English language...
and that makes me an azz?
That makes me want to violate several board rules. ;D
in his defense, he does have to stand on his tiptoes to see the keys he's typing
My company, Toyota (along with Scion) has just signed on to be the presenting sponsor for a benefit concert/event here in Denver on April 23rd.
I'm the point man from our side with the event.
I'll post more information as it becomes available.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on April 09, 2011, 02:09:51 PM
My company, Toyota (along with Scion) has just signed on to be the presenting sponsor for a benefit concert/event here in Denver on April 23rd.
I'm the point man from our side with the event.
I'll post more information as it becomes available.
Funny how my uncle in Japan doesn't even think of Toyota and Honda as Japanese companies.
Well no one thinks of GM as an American company now...
DP, I just have to get them to speak not spell. ;)
Randimus, may have to make a trip up to CO!
Quote from: IZ on April 09, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
DP, I just have to get them to speak not spell. ;)
Randimus, may have to make a trip up to CO!
true...
but that has to be the weakest excuse for a language mistake I've ever heard. [laugh]
More bad news: a magnitude 6.6 aftershock today knocked out power to the Daiichi plant's unit 1, 2, & 3 reactors for almost an hour. While officials at the national nuclear safety agency said the power outage didn't appear to have any safety implications, I'm willing to bet it didn't help the race to get the plant fully under control.
The government expanded the evacuation radius around Daiichi from 12 to 19 miles, adding to the ~150,000 folks living in evacuation centers.
:(
The 7.1 aftershock Monster Dave mentioned on the 7th killed 2, injured hundreds, and knocked out power to two different nuclear plants. I really hope all of Japan's plants are beefing up their emergency power supplies!
They just can't catch a break can they :(
Threat level set to equal that of Chernobyl. We're doomed! :-X
Quote from: IZ on April 12, 2011, 12:05:28 AM
Threat level set to equal that of Chernobyl. We're doomed! :-X
Japanese officials have said the leaks from the Fukushima plant so far amount to a tenth of the radiation emitted in the Chernobyl disaster, while acknowledging they eventually could exceed Chernobyl's emissions if the crisis continues.we're fine, for now.....
Quote from: DanTheMan on April 12, 2011, 02:43:51 AM
Japanese officials have said the leaks from the Fukushima plant so far amount to a tenth of the radiation emitted in the Chernobyl disaster.
Not really getting into whether we're doomed or not, but the TEPCO and the Japanese government have been known to downplay the significance of the crisis since it all started.
Quote from: DRKWNG on April 12, 2011, 03:05:35 AM
Not really getting into whether we're doomed or not, but the TEPCO and the Japanese government have been known to downplay the significance of the crisis since it all started.
geeeeeee...ya think?!?!?!....
Quote from: DanTheMan on April 12, 2011, 02:43:51 AM
Japanese officials have said the leaks from the Fukushima plant so far amount to a tenth of the radiation emitted in the Chernobyl disaster, while acknowledging they eventually could exceed Chernobyl's emissions if the crisis continues.
we're fine, for now.....
..... absolutely fine...
.....in a nation of fish eaters, this should be nothing of any concern then... >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/06/3183332.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/06/3183332.htm)
Tokyo Motorcycle Shop Turns to Disaster Relief!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tokyo-motorcycle-shop-turns-to-disaster-relief/2011/04/10/AFkmrUKD_story.html?hpid=z3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tokyo-motorcycle-shop-turns-to-disaster-relief/2011/04/10/AFkmrUKD_story.html?hpid=z3)