Hello,
It's about time to do the 600 mile service for my 696. Does anyone have an idea on what I should be expected to spend on this? I know places like Coleman (where I got the bike) are quite expensive when it comes to performing any work on bikes. Are there any other places nearby (NOVA) that would be a better alternative?
Thanks!
I think the 600 miles service is really just an oil change which you could do yourself. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
doesn't it have to be documented for warranty purposes?
Save the receipt and take a pic of you draining the oil.
Not touting one or the other, or even suggesting that you should take it somewhere versus doing it yourself, but have a look in the local shop thread.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2755.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2755.0)
You could call DucPond and make an appointment for a weekday morning. Ride out there and they'll do the work while you walk around downtown Winchester (plan on having at least one meal there).
Coleman was ~15-20% more expensive, and you'll have to leave the bike for 1 or 2 days/weeks.
In theory a 600k is:
Oil Change
Valve clearance check
Check chain tension
Check factory paint marks and retorque any fasteners that may have worked loose.
General inspection.
I miss anything?
600k??
Damn you ride a lot.
If I hadn't blown my ACL the 900 would probably be near 40k.
But yes, I meant 600 miles.
thanks for the replies, yes, only 600 miles, got it during the winter so have not had so much time for riding. This will soon be remedied :)
Quote from: Sad Panda on March 22, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
In theory a 600k is:
Oil Change
Valve clearance check
Check chain tension
Check factory paint marks and retorque any fasteners that may have worked loose.
General inspection.
I miss anything?
All of these are easily done at home. You'll need the torque settings.
As far as proving that you've done it, save receipts (oil, filter) and make a log book with a checklist and date it. Staple the receipts on that page.
Valve clearance check? Retorqueing fasteners?
Oops, I guess I missed some things on my 600 miles check [laugh]
Ehh, whatever. My bike is out of warranty anyway.
Quote from: Sad Panda on March 22, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
In theory a 600k is:
Oil Change
Valve clearance check
Check chain tension
Check factory paint marks and retorque any fasteners that may have worked loose.
General inspection.
I miss anything?
brought mine to Coleman, it's under/about $300.
Turn over time for mine is 4 business day.
Duc pond is too far.
If some one could offer their garage we could get together and do most of these things.
I have a torque wrench and the metric shims, I don't have a garage tho. :'(
We could bring beer (or whatever) as a thanks to whoever volunteers.
As I recall, the rider formerly known as tuanogus formerly known as sugonaut found this: http://www.ditymechanics.com/ (http://www.ditymechanics.com/)
Whatever happened to that guy who was doing tire changes and servicing in his garage?
I forgot his name, it was something Turkish or Greek or Armenian.
Quote from: Ducatician on March 24, 2011, 04:52:30 AM
As I recall, the rider formerly known as tuanogus formerly known as sugonaut found this: http://www.ditymechanics.com/ (http://www.ditymechanics.com/)
Cool, but I was thinking of something more social with a bit of tutoring thrown in if needed.
I don't have a garage to offer, but I would probably come and hang out. I could probably offer a few tips and learn a few things too. I just adjusted my chain this past weekend, so I have a good idea of how to do that.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on March 24, 2011, 06:01:23 AM
Cool, but I was thinking of something more social with a bit of tutoring thrown in if needed.
Quote from: ducatiz on March 24, 2011, 05:47:14 AM
Whatever happened to that guy who was doing tire changes and servicing in his garage?
I forgot his name, it was something Turkish or Greek or Armenian.
I never new about this guy. Only Mike, currently a Midas employee, who doesn't have much free time to do things and is therefore hard as hell to schedule.
I have garage space. I just moved though and its in a bit of a state of disarray - should have it tidied up before too long though. Also the air compressor is currently not useable as the new garage doesn't have the 220v power necessary to run the compressor (I'll fix that shortly too). I've got a moderate assortment of hand tools, a couple of rear stands (DSS only). Most of my power tools are air though...
I don't have any duc-specific tools or shims.
Anyway, its available such as it is. I'm in Annandale VA.
I won't volunteer just yet to work on other people's bikes but can probably give pointers as needed for most stuff. I'm not a ducati expert, but have done most everything there is to do as far as servicing/rebuilding to an assortment of other bikes.
I don't have a tire changer. I've changed sport bike tires with regular dirt bike levers, but its a pita.
For everything short of the valve clearance check you are more than welcome to use my garage. I have all the tools you would need, you would just need to bring oil and a filter.
On April 9th I'm hosting a ride n' wrench at my place in northern Baltimore. Any and all are welcome to come, probably a three hour ride followed by a wrenching session in the garage (with beer).
Quote from: Ducatician on March 24, 2011, 04:52:30 AM
As I recall, the rider formerly known as tuanogus formerly known as sugonaut found this: http://www.ditymechanics.com/ (http://www.ditymechanics.com/)
Problem is, for the stuff you need a garage for on a bike, it's really due to time. Like if you check your valves and find one out of spec enough to need a new one - you'll be days waiting on the new shim unless you've got a kit. And you'll eat up a ton of time getting the bike to, from, and back to a state you could work on the valves if you're using a place like that.
For most other stuff, you don't really need garage space - I've done plenty of work in my condo parking lot. Yeah, might be against my assoc rules... but f those guys.
As I've offered before, I'll do so again - If someone needs a consult or just a more experienced head around I'm happy to help as available. And if you come to me, I've got a pretty hefty suite of tools, including a crank turner etc.
I've got a crank turner as well, but she's out of town that weekend - HAY-O!
Quote from: Ducatician on March 24, 2011, 07:24:26 AM
I never new about this guy. Only Mike, currently a Midas employee, who doesn't have much free time to do things and is therefore hard as hell to schedule.
it's been about a year since he disappeared. he had a website and everything -- maybe a race team too? someone has to know.
I saw him over the winter, seemed like he had about a thousand irons in the fire.
Quote from: Artful on March 24, 2011, 09:24:36 AM
I saw him over the winter, seemed like he had about a thousand irons in the fire.
WHO?
Lol Mike. I take it you were referring to the mysterious other guy. Don't know him.
I had Mike (shop in Gaithersburg) work on both my bikes last year and he did a great job. Great pricing too, probably does need to manage his time better tho. Other than that I can only give him [thumbsup] for the work.
This is a great forum, didn't know there were so many monsters in the area! I've heard good things about Mike, only thing is Coleman is about 20 minutes from me, I'll check with them to see what the turnaround time is. Too bad Ducpond is so far....
yeah, the pond is far, but flexible. I bet that if you called and arranged it properly you could probably ride out for the service while you cool your heals and ride home.
Obviously they would need some lead time if you're trying to make an appointment like that - It can't hurt to call.
Quote from: Sad Panda on March 24, 2011, 11:34:20 AM
yeah, the pond is far, but flexible. I bet that if you called and arranged it properly you could probably ride out for the service while you cool your heals and ride home.
Obviously they would need some lead time if you're trying to make an appointment like that - It can't hurt to call.
Called them once for a valve check and mentioned riding there and back. They gave me a no-go due to the fact that they need to let the engine cool down in order for the measurements (valve clearance) to be accurate.
Hmmm yeah - that'd make sense -dur.
You probably don't want to wait the extra hours for the engine to come down to air temp.
Either that or pour some ice water on it while it's really hot. That'll make access to the valves much easier anyway once the head cracks.
Quote from: Artful on March 24, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
Either that or pour some ice water on it while it's really hot.
What a waste! I'll drink a few beers and recycle (or is it re-use?). [drink] [drink] [drink]
I have a small garage here in Silly String (right by DC / Tacky Park border), tools and a compressor, so if people want to do a garage night that'd be cool.
I do not have shims nor have I ever done a desmo valve so if that's desired someone needs to bring them. Maybe someone wants to demostrate?
If there's a big prob a bike could be left (although I will claim no knowledge of tasty billet / Ti parts that supposedly were on the bike when abandoned your honor, abandoned by THAT MAN THERE! (jury gasps))
Oil changes, brakes, minor electrical no problem for an afternoon. I also have a computer, so I can show you how to buy a bike you don't need off of craigslist.
So if people want to do a garage night let's do it. I know this has come up before.
i don't think the 600 mile service needs valve check but who knows.
dupond is good for simple stuff lik that they will do it wihile you wait if you schedule ahead, for other things like that, the valve jobs they do require to leave it butif you drop it off you can pick it up in a day or two later if you want they usually do that pretty fast, none of this leave the bike for 4 weeks when we get around to it.
Quote from: tocino on March 24, 2011, 02:17:59 PM
So if people want to do a garage night let's do it. I know this has come up before.
Knowing that you at least know how to take a fork apart, I'd like a reservation for respringing my forks to haul my fat ass around. If you're down, we could make it a suspension clinic. I'll help you set your sag if you help me set my sag. I'm taking the total control class next weekend (4/3) but can do it either day of the following weekend (4/9-4/10).
Anybody know what else I need to have to do this right?
Tutorial here: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=37079.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=37079.0)
The most important things are (in my opinion):
- take measurements so the forks go back in right (not higher or lower)
- get the right tool to compress the fork tops when you need to close them
- make sure the bike will not fall over (strap to the roof, ladder, whatever) and don't do this:
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/25597_1348348323082_1662546592_832743_728635_n.jpg)
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/25597_1348348363083_1662546592_832744_7437423_n.jpg)
That's the spare wheel and jack from a Golf III, 2 and 1/2 computer programming books holding up the bike. :-[
Quote from: sbrguy on March 24, 2011, 02:31:06 PM
i don't think the 600 mile service needs valve check but who knows.
According to my manual and experience, valves are NOT checked at 600. It's more than a glorified oil change, though.
Call DucPond, make an appt for a weekday morning (9:00 AM), leave the house/apt at 7:45. Take I66 West (all the cops are watching traffic eastbound) and ride like the wind.
When you get there grab breakfast across the street and, after, walk down the street to the pedestrian mall. Enjoy Winchester for a few hours and head back to the shop. BS with Chad and the other folks on the floor. Have a bottle of water and check out the merch. A few minutes later your bike will be ready.
I recommend breakfast somewhere else ;D
Quote from: Ducatician on March 24, 2011, 02:46:57 PM
Knowing that you at least know how to take a fork apart, I'd like a reservation for respringing my forks to haul my fat ass around. If you're down, we could make it a suspension clinic. I'll help you set your sag if you help me set my sag. I'm taking the total control class next weekend (4/3) but can do it either day of the following weekend (4/9-4/10).
Anybody know what else I need to have to do this right?
My dance card is free that weekend. I've never changed springs on upside-down forks but me and my hammer will try anything once!
Quote from: tocino on March 24, 2011, 05:21:13 PM
I recommend breakfast somewhere else ;D
You cook?!
Quote from: tocino on March 24, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
My dance card is free that weekend. I've never changed springs on upside-down forks but me and my hammer will try anything once!
I watched a youtube video, so we should be pros! I figure the worst case scenario involves throwing it on your trailer and paying you gas money to haul it to the suspension guys at MRP (Lars recommends them regularly). I'll throw a post up in tech to try and figure out what we need besides springs.
Racetech says, "It's easy. Buy our Gold Valve Kits, High Performance Springs, and Ultra Slick Suspension Fluids and install them yourself. (If you get stuck call your Tech Support 951.279.6655.)" I figure I can give them a call since I'm stuck before I'm started. :-[
Trailering will not be necessary, I think we can figure it out. Plus I have a friend who's done USD forks before so we'll wrangle him if needed. Did you plan on revalving? Springs and fluid should only take an hour. Revalving usually is only changing the shim stack, but we'll have to watch the YouTube video just to be sure :)
I found your next bike:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2285290532.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2285290532.html)
I just had my 600mi service done a few weeks back. My dealer is a good 1.5 hours ride away and they did check my belts. I got there in the morning, they let it cool for hours and then did my service, including the belts, which they called the premium service or something like that...not required, but recommended. It was around $300. I spent the day there, except going for lunch, watching the Daytona race and talking with other bike guys and gals. It wasn't a terrible way to spend a Saturday.
Quote from: tocino on March 25, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
Trailering will not be necessary, I think we can figure it out. Plus I have a friend who's done USD forks before so we'll wrangle him if needed. Did you plan on revalving? Springs and fluid should only take an hour. Revalving usually is only changing the shim stack, but we'll have to watch the YouTube video just to be sure :)
What are these words?!? ??? Just kidding. I've got a call into Racetech Tech Support and called MRP for a quote as well. I think you just swap the gold valves in place of your old valves since the mechanism is different. If the price is right, I'm gonna grab a shock spring too so we can treat her like a dirty catholic girl and do it front and rear! [laugh]
Quote from: tocino on March 25, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
I found your next bike:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2285290532.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/2285290532.html)
I saw that sweet piece of bat shit craziness! I figured one of the VW nuts around here would have it already snapped up.
I started a tech thread so everyone can observe our foolishness awesomeness: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47511.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47511.0)
DucPond has had my bike over 3+ weeks for 6k valve adjustment and belt change. Never once got a call about where it was for service. I called once and one guy told me it was done, then Josh got on the phone and said it was next to go on the rack. Not impressed at all so far. We'll see how it all works out in the end.
Three weeks? Yeesh, that's pretty extreme.
Gotta be more to that story? - Gene
Quote from: twolanefun on March 31, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Gotta be more to that story? - Gene
That's kind of what I was figuring.
that is a little strange for 3 weeks. i just broguth my bike up there for a 600 service and was in and out in 4 hours.
they are usually pretty good with the valve jobs in that if you schedule the weekend to bring it up they usually will have you come up the following weekend to get the bike back. now granted, i have called and they said "we can't fit you in for 3 weeks, so if you want bring it in 3 weeks and we'll get it done" and then it was done in 1 week.
I will say that sometimes even with ducpond you have to be the squeaky wheel, in other words you don't get angry, but be polite and ask for a status 1 or 2 times a week if its taking a more time than they originally quoted. I know i have politely emailed and called them a few times in a week to check on the status of parts and they always got back to me promply and if they didnt i would call till i got an answer.
At no time was the shop or I rude to each other or yellling and things worked themselved out fine.
Sometimes they get busy and may forget at times to call back, so it pays to be a little diligent but in a courteous manner and you will get the same in return.