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Diavel vs V-Max quarter mile race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9w0_8WLWtU#normal)

I kinda thought the Diavel would win  ???

Vmax had 500cc on the Diavel... and only beat it by a tenth.  Granted, the Vmax guy's launch sucked balls.

Yeah, lets see a few more runs with different riders.

Don't forget the VMax is 85kg heavier as well.

0.72 vs 0.65

But that should only really matter on the start...

That is what counts most in Drag racing.  ;)

I agree, but the Vmax's additional 500cc accounts for a lot. 

5.5cc/kg vs 5.32/kg

I wonder what advantages the V4 design has over the L2, if any?

Potential for more HP probably, but less torque.

8.5cc:cv vs 7.4cc:cv (i.e. 1700/200 vs 1198/162)

the vmax has an inefficient engine design then, because for the amount of cc:hp, they are making very little advantage over the diavel's 1198ccs.  for the vmax engine to be as efficient at making 200 hp as the diavel's engine, it should be only 1480 cc.

likewise, if the diavel engine was as inefficient as the vmax with the same displacement, it would only make 140 hp.

if the diavel engine design maintains the same efficiency with increased displacement, it would produce 230hp with 1700ccs.

Who cares? It's REALLY close (better pilots would/could flip the results). 99.9% of those who ride these bikes will NOT drag them. The Diavel has WAY more 'cool factor'.  

all good points (except the who cares bit).. I care because a lot of people do look at stuff like that when buying a bike.  the diavel looks nicer from many angles, but the Vmax is the bike it's competing against in the market.

You're right... I should have said "I don't care." I'm a stats junkie most of the time... overly so. In this case it just doesn't matter to me. It's kind of like the Pontiac commercials not too long ago that said the "Pontiac G6 (or whatever it was) is faster than a BMW 550 in 0-60". I don't care if it beat it in 0-60, the skid pad, Q-mile, 60-0 braking, AND number of cup holders. I still wouldn't want to be seen in it. Same with the V-Max. I can see myself riding one and saying, "Yeah, I thought about the Ducati. But, boy let me tell you, this thing right here beats the Diavel by .01 sec in the q-mile. That's why I bought her."

0-100 mph , which is more likely to happen , they are both dead even at 6.00 seconds.
( MCN Diavel vs Vmax )
Dolph.... :)

I would still like to see 2-3 more tries at the quarter-miler.  that's just too insignificant of a difference.

Unless you are a V-Max fan.



























PS
I agree with you.

Do we know if DTC was on/off on the Diavel in that race?  might have had something to do with the result...

Also, would a Termi full exaust system help the Diavel?  I imagine it would, but I guess the two bikes were intentionally raced as stock...

imo, the big thing about the diavel isnt the straight line performance... what's special about it is the fact that you wont have hard bits dragging the second you make a turn.  so if the vmax beats it in the 1/4 mile by a couple of 10ths... meh.

what i would like to see is both those bikes go through a hot lap and see who comes out on top then.

  I agree, the V MAX Has always been intended to be s straight line, drag race, MuscleBike. If It didn't win I would be very suprised, right on ,I don't think that was the intent of the Ducati, Who have never been into production drag racing marketing, damn good race for the V MAX, but...

I just pointed out that a v-4 has the potential to produce more HP.  If all else remains the same (displacement, bore:stroke ~ 1, etc) the v-4 can spin a lot faster cause the pistons wouldn't have to move as far in the same amount of time.  High RPM HP is easier to get than low RPM HP, and HP is what makes you go fast!

too bad neither of them could outrun the ugly.

  [laugh]


What gets my attention is the launch itself. The portly Vmax roasts the rear while the Diavel lofts the front. Really speaks to the character of each bike. I prefer the latter.

Portly?  Pardon me, do you have any grey poupon?

 [thumbsup]

500 more ccs, it would be obvious. I'm more surprised that it was close. Which one is more expensive? If you ride in FL, then the VMAx might be the better choice. Anywhere else where you actually need to turn, the Diavel.

Did they do multiple runs with the riders switching bikes? I would rather look at averages. The VMax should take it 9 out of 10 times.

Vmax got a terrible launch.  Wish they had the 60' times  [thumbsup]

this thread is starting to look like a mac forum  [laugh]
so what, it got beat.  the vmax was made for the drag strip.  next!

I love how everyone forgets that the V-Max is a shaft drive which loses more power at the wheel than a chain or belt drive....

It still has 40 more HP... don't thing the power losses in the final drive are THAT significant.

wanna bet?....at the wheel, the difference would probably be nowhere near as much as you think...

Diavel 162 HP claimed, about 135 at the rear wheel = about 17% less then crank HP
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/179-diavel/107641-diavel-dyno-results.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/179-diavel/107641-diavel-dyno-results.html)

Vmax 197 HP claimed, about 174 at the rear wheel = about 11.5% less then crank HP
http://www.rswarrior.com/forums/19-general-bike-talk/151495-dynoed-finally-real-2009-vmax-torque-hp-numbers.html (http://www.rswarrior.com/forums/19-general-bike-talk/151495-dynoed-finally-real-2009-vmax-torque-hp-numbers.html)

Could it be that the VMax is geared for top end?

Good to know my spidey-engineer-sense is still hitting right.

I stand corrected!


I would think so for to relieve some of the torque stress on the driveshaft...

Oooooooooo, burn!  : [cheeky]

Telling ya, from the launch it's pretty obvious that the bike isn't the reason why it only won by a tenth.

My 1098 R w. it's Race Exhaust , Race ECU and special Air cleaner is pumping out right about  180 RWHP, and 101 lb. ft . of Torque.

You want a mind bending experience , 20 mph to 100 mph in 3 seconds.

If you've never been there don't even try to imagine what that's like ...magic comes to mind.

Dolph   

 [bow_down] to the god of expensive and fast street bikes.   

 [roll]

ROFL!

mere dicta

Dolph