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A must read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears)
It is inevitable. If not mobile devices, cameras are not far behind.
mitt
Your phone tells where you've been, and its contents can be downloaded at a traffic stop (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp).
(May as well get in on this ban-wagon while the gettin's good...)
Knows this for years. It's so the machines will know our exact positions when skynet takes over.
If you want the software so you can track you own movements (or someone else) get this.
http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/ (http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/)
Yup...don't fudge your mileage on your expense reports or try to fake your whereabouts on company time if you have a company hand-held in tow
corporate skynet is already watching many employees
hmmmm maybe this is why my wife was so determined that I should have an iPhone [laugh]
http://www.mobistealth.com/employee-monitoring-tracking-spy-software.php (http://www.mobistealth.com/employee-monitoring-tracking-spy-software.php)
The company I work for is right now installing GPS tracking in our vehicles, ostensibly for our "safety " in remote areas, apparently it comes with a panic button so the cavalry can come running if we get attacked by a killer wombat or sumpin.
We have full use of our vehicles after hours and I'm not too happy that the boss can see when I'm at the Blue Oyster Bar on my night off.
Quote from: brimo on April 21, 2011, 01:26:25 AM
The company I work for is right now installing GPS tracking in our vehicles, ostensibly for our "safety " in remote areas, apparently it comes with a panic button so the cavalry can come running if we get attacked by a killer wombat or sumpin.
We have full use of our vehicles after hours and I'm not too happy that the boss can see when I'm at the Blue Oyster Bar on my night off.
aluminum foil will solve that problem ;)
Quote from: J5 on April 21, 2011, 02:18:16 AM
aluminum foil will solve that problem ;)
So if'n I wear me tinfoil hat, then I'll be safe?
Carrying a spare dead battery will work for employer tracking [thumbsup]
Quote from: brimo on April 21, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
So if'n I wear me tinfoil hat, then I'll be safe?
that may work
but they have an antennae , which if you cover with al foil wont be able to be tracked :)
i am guesssing they dont work without power either so would be looking at that option as well ;)
The company is keeping track of their property.
What is wrong with that?
Quote from: wbeck257 on April 21, 2011, 04:23:37 AM
The company is keeping track of their property.
What is wrong with that?
absolutely nothing if one is honest
Off button. At least the men in white suits wouldn't be able to predict where I am going then. /tinfoilhatemoticon
Paranoid ;D
Who cares track me ,I'm doing nothing wrong [laugh]
Unless speeding is illegal [evil]
Quote from: Drjones on April 21, 2011, 06:15:17 AM
Off button. At least the men in white suits wouldn't be able to predict where I am going then. /tinfoilhatemoticon
The off button is just cosmetic ;D
mitt
Quote from: RAT900 on April 21, 2011, 06:03:27 AM
absolutely nothing if one is honest
A former manager at a former employer made a comment to one of our sales girls that she, "Stayed at a different house every night." He's lucky he didn't get sued.
I always deferred to having a personal vehicle- didn't tell them it was the Duc.
She should have replied that she wouldn't have to if he gave her a decent salary :-)
Quote from: wbeck257 on April 21, 2011, 04:23:37 AM
The company is keeping track of their property.
What is wrong with that?
Yes it is their property, but why, when I'm trusted with looking after millions of dollars in contracts and infrastructure, can't they trust me with their $30,000 vehicle? Or indeed, to trust me to say where I am and when.
I also go back to my "Blue Oyster Bar" comment before, where I am and what I do in my own time is my business.
Except for the fact that you're in their vehicle and the company can be held liable for any personal or property damage to others incurred by you in their vehicle.
I am astounded this has not gotten more attention - it is no longer on the front page on google news. Here is a more reasoned analysis of how this came to be, and what the implications are:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/04/21/andy-ihnatko-location-log (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/04/21/andy-ihnatko-location-log)
This message is getting through, but it is not really penetrating my tin foil hat.
More on Term of Service, and how we are all happily allowing all the providers and phone makers to gather tracking information.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/20/your-smartphone-is-tracking-you-and-you-said-it-was-okay/ (http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/20/your-smartphone-is-tracking-you-and-you-said-it-was-okay/)
Quote from: brimo on April 21, 2011, 01:47:46 PM
Yes it is their property, but why, when I'm trusted with looking after millions of dollars in contracts and infrastructure, can't they trust me with their $30,000 vehicle? Or indeed, to trust me to say where I am and when.
I also go back to my "Blue Oyster Bar" comment before, where I am and what I do in my own time is my business.
What you do outside the company vehicle after hours is your business.
However, they are keeping track of their property, not you.
If you have a problem with that, get off work, park it, and take your own vehicle.
For all their talk about "safety", "looking after their property" etc. I call Bullshit. It's all about me and my colleagues not cheating on our timesheets.
Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get me.
Quote from: brimo on April 21, 2011, 09:35:49 PM
Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get me.
Lol, the crazy ones never think they're crazy.
é...'後å真言 - wine brings out the truth?
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on April 21, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
Lol, the crazy ones never think they're crazy.
é...'後å真言 - wine brings out the truth?
and the ones that say "oh, it would never happen here"...
well the pages of human history bear out how poorly
their prognostications served them
Ya know? I sat down and questioned myself over a Bushmills or two and figured out why this really pissed me off, it wasn't about some sort of concern about Big Brother watching over me or the fact that management looked me in the eye and told me a make the beast with two backsing big lie about their motivations behind this tracking system, it was the fact that by doing this, they were questioning my integrity, and that, I don't like.
Just saw a patent application this week for module inside a handgun to record and transmit GPS information every time a shot is fired... "It" is inevitable.
Quote from: mitt on April 22, 2011, 06:38:45 AM
Just saw a patent application this week for module inside a handgun to record and transmit GPS information every time a shot is fired... "It" is inevitable.
That's why I already own a large variety of the best built firearms in the world. Let all the new-fangled crap come out with gps tracking and fingerprint ID's. I'm just fine with my collection. 8)
Wow...
So beginning with iPhone OS 3.2 released in April 2010, Apple started replacing the Skyhook location database with their own location database.
And the real question is: How did Apple create their own location database? They did not have cars driving around the world. They didn't need to. They had existing iPhone owners around the world do the work for them.
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002145.html (http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002145.html)
"None of the information transmitted to Apple is associated with a particular user or device."
I don't know what everyone is worried about. Everyboy gives up there location willingly all the time. (foil hat time). The government invented "checking in" so that they don't have to do the work tracking you.
And second of all, Ladies if your being stalked don't check in at the Starbucks down the street from your house.
Quote from: Latinbalar on April 25, 2011, 11:43:53 AM
And second of all, Ladies if your being stalked don't check in at the Starbucks down the street from your house.
I always find that interesting - letting everyone know you are not home or out of town for a week on fb ...
mitt
Quote from: mitt on April 25, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
I always find that interesting - letting everyone know you are not home or out of town for a week on fb ...
mitt
That completely floors me when people do that. In the words of a fellow DMF'er "that level of stupidity makes me sad".
Clearly, people were not stalkerproof, under the radar or off the grid before this revelation. The thing that bothers me about it is:
1. Apple has not been exactly clear up until this point what they were using this "enhancement" data for. It comes across as sneaky.
2. They have not exactly been reassuring in their response, which is... [cricket noise].
3. They have not been good custodians of personal data, whether they are distributing it or not. This strikes me as a bit exploitative - they get a free geolocation database, you get a phone full of personal information that really has no business being there and could only compromise your privacy if your phone is stolen, lost, or is subject to search and seizure of questionable legality*
It is very easy to layer on the tin foil - I am not trying to do that here. I am just wondering why, if it is not such big deal to have the data there, is it a big deal to prevent anyone from doing this ever again?
* http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/73258 (http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/73258)
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/226234/lawmakers_quiz_apple_google_about_location_tracking.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/226234/lawmakers_quiz_apple_google_about_location_tracking.html)
Read as lawmakers want Apples tech for thier own use and will publicly drag Apple through the mud unless they hand it over.
Quote from: brimo on April 22, 2011, 02:21:45 AM
Ya know? I sat down and questioned myself over a Bushmills or two and figured out why this really pissed me off, it wasn't about some sort of concern about Big Brother watching over me or the fact that management looked me in the eye and told me a make the beast with two backsing big lie about their motivations behind this tracking system, it was the fact that by doing this, they were questioning my integrity, and that, I don't like.
I agree. That and the fact that when I tell 'em I'm working my butt off at a particular location I dont want technology undermining my plausibility [laugh].
Now bugger off, cant you see that I'm working [drink].
South Park hit this issue tonight. Good stuff.
Cuddwlfwish and Asparugus! [puke]:-X