Ducati Monster Forum

Hi,

is there any way to convert Monster 796 wet clutch to dry clutch?

thanks

A way yes, an easy way, not exactly  ;D  A lot of people on here have looked into it.  I think i've seen at least two 696's with a dry clutch mod.  Couldnt get a hold of either person to ask how easy it was.

All the research i've done led me to believe it was costly and not the easiest mod in the world

supposidely the 848 conversion kit is used and only 1 or 2 custom nuts need to be made

ic, if i were to fix it, where do i go to get it fixed? ducati workshop?

why didnt you just buy the 1100?

It will cost at minimum half of what you paid for the bike to begin with. Not at all worth the time or trouble. I would ask the same question He Man asked.

Cause the EVO has a wet clutch.... 

I'm sure one could still get a 2010 1100 though... but not for much longer  [evil]

The 848 kit that's available has a slipper and Mag side cover. those two items drive the price crazy high.
If a dealer were to make a normal kit, it could be reasonably priced, and they could make a big and small case version.
Any dealer/sponsor wanna step up?

Wow... none of the new Monsters have dry clutch. This is really sad.
Looking at the rest of the Ducati line up... i see where this is going  [thumbsdown] All part of the "green agenda" bs!

Seems they are keeping the dry clutches only for the race oriented bikes.
HM, SF and 1198.

silly that the 848 doesn't have it though not that is being raced more.

then again if the new Evo wet clutch is as good as it's cracked up to be then it makes sense to carry it over the line of anything south of 170hp

leaving only the 1198 for the dry clutch.

how so  ???

dry clutch would be "greener" wouldnt it? oil mess and all? or would clutch smoke be asbestos smoke?

Holy irrelevant batman. Might want to do some more research... Quieter, more reliable, more "masses" friendly. This is the way of ducati, less a niche bike and more a brand. Such is life.

Precisely Robin!... less maintenance and quieter = easier on the environment. So we have been told.

I stand by the notion that every Duc should have two options:  First is a red frame and second a dry clutch, if you so desire. 

Now, I'd love to hear about the conversion

Wet clutches work really nicely, embrace progress  :P

I like my dry clutch.  I can open it up and let the hampster that turns the motor breathe a little easier.

But in all seriousness, I much prefer the feel of my dry clutch to wet clutches i've ridden.

Small case wet clutch to dry clutch conversions have been done, but there is no info out there and most will give you a crazy high price quote just to avoid doing it.  Here are some photos of the difference between the small case & large case transmission input shafts.  They are from a 695 & a 749 but I do not think it has changed any on the latter models.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/WetClutch.jpg)
This is the wet clutch small case, notice the way the threads are set up in the splines of the transmission input shaft.


(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/bmeath/DryClutch.jpg)
This is the dry clutch large case, the input is about 5mm longer then the input on the small case engine.  The shaft also necks down to the threads.

The splines are the same on both input shafts so the cluch assembly can physicaly be installed.  The nut that holds the clutch basket will be the main issue. 

+1

thanks for the well taken photos :)

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Ahhrrr... i see many cases of "the dry clutch envy" coming down the pipeline once the mod bug hits these new Monster owners. :'(
There is definitely a market there for a company to put together some sort of a conversion kit.

It seems both wet and dry clutches have advantages/disadvantages...

But the main reason people seem to like it is for 1. looks, and 2. the sound.

I have seen some sport classics that have a clear cover to show off the clutch, yet retain the wet clutch.... and from what I have read, it seems to be much cheaper than a full on conversion...

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/78277-my-clutch-has-been-pimped.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/78277-my-clutch-has-been-pimped.html)

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/77029-wet-turn-dry-done.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/77029-wet-turn-dry-done.html)

I have seen one new monster with this as well..

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/97794-m696-tip-over-gravel-parking-lot-busted-open-clutch-cover.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/97794-m696-tip-over-gravel-parking-lot-busted-open-clutch-cover.html)

This seems like a pretty sweet, unique, and cheaper option for us wet clutch guys to get the "look" of the open...

Might be a good project!

ummm, 1100.

as you noted above the shaft is shorter on the wet clutch thus the nut that must be put on is not the same that comes with the 848 conversion kit and has to be custom made, that is what i heard from my local dealer that put the conversion kit on an old 620 monster that everything bolts up fine but the problem is the nut has be be custom made, so its something you ahve to have done by a machine shop, so in all it ends up costing you something like 2k dollars for the conversion since the dry clutch conversion kit 848 is around 1500$ to start and a few hours labor and the custom nut make up the difference.

The new EVO is a wet clutch. There is no current Monster with a dry clutch  [thumbsdown]

THe 848 kit costs 1500 because it comes with 1 Magnesium side cover and 1 EVR slipper clutch.
A simple kit would cost a LOT less if they use a standard cover and clutch.
Telling you, if a dealer were to setup this kit, they would make a TON of money.

Wanted to dig this topic up again in case anyone had anything new to share, the new gen monsters are getting much more common and I know theres still interest in the mod.

I talked to my local dealer and he is sure the 848 kit will fit right up, in fact he said he would be willing to bet money on it.  (of course people have already determined the customization required)  I think I will try and wrestle a deal out of him, I buy the kit, he figures out how to make it work using my bike as a lab rat...and he gets to keep the bragging rights that his dealer does dry clutch conversions on new monsters. 

Ideally I would like to pay for parts (the kit and machinging of custom parts) and have him donate labor...
keep your fingers crossed for me.

Also when I talked to him about it, his high points for the dry clutch were as follows: 
1) no clutch material contaminating the oil.
2) the wet clutch monsters use a drive gear assembly with a spring preload device...its designed to reduce gear noise...but it actually has a slight parasitic power loss...(proabaly in the neighborhood of a HP or two...but with my 135#...thats a decent amount...)
3) of course the customization options and incredible sound.  ;D


Ill keep yall updated!

 if he develops a production kit with those custom parts. PLEASE share.

The good news is EVR will start producing a true slipper clutch for the small case motors this spring!

honestly, I hope your right...because if I rope him into a deal...then I'll have a one off!  ;D

Now that I own the bike im almost toying with trading up again for an 1100s...and get my damn adjustable forks and dry clutch. 

It's called a dual mass primary gear and it has been responsible for a 'few' heavy engine repairs.
Older small Monster's one piece gears can be fitted to avoid this issue, but it's making a really loud high pitch noise.

Puzzled here as well why anyone would do this, (for a bunch of clatter and "loose nuts in a can"), when the APTC works so sweetly on my 796, at least for my taste..., and this is my 9th Ducati since 1965.  ;) Maybe (definitely) I'm getting weaker too!  :) :) :)

although i was on the dry clutch conversion search as well, mainly to get rid of the APTC since it tended to slip under heavy load and heat.
now that EVR has said they will do a true slipper for the small case motors.. i've decided to wait for that. NOW, can I ever afford it...

Never even had a hint of slip, so I must be getting old!  ;) Serious downshifter though and nice to have no hint of lock-up either, and that's with 10 more ft. lbs than you too.

The wet version is 2/3 the cost of the dry? Are you after this, or are you a clatter fan?  8) http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=986 (http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=986)

I've dropped the clutch and had the revs fly up almost to redline (not intentional...one click to many in a panic) and the only time I've ever had any wheel lock was into first on a cold tire. 

I want it for the look, the sound, and the history...


As for this, clearly noise isnt an issue for me, and I actually like the sound of gear whine...makes it sound like it has a roots blower  [evil]

(and I didnt realize that there was a failure concern...looking into that NOW.)

I had clutch slip pretty bad during a trip to italy, me the wife and baggage, summer heat.

Guess you can sell her on the "solution" then?  ;) That must be nearly X2 the load I'm carrying.

Oddly, during break-in I had a couple of instances of clutch "moan" at no load and low speed and RPM for no apparent reason. Disappeared after cooling down, again for no reason. Since my dealer changed the oil to his bulk Redline 15W50 Racing, vs the Shell Advance, that moan never returned. Go figure...

Why a 696 vs 796 BTW? Insurance cost in Germany? Just curious since you sometimes carry a passenger, (brave lad!)...

honestly the 696 was enough through the Alps with passenger and gear. it wasn't til the heat of Italy that I had issues.

COuld have been oil choice, so to prepare for WDW 2012, I'm going to 20w-50

BUT still, A more positive lock clutch would be better IMO. I used to have a M900 with a dry clutch and had a lot of fun with that setup, so even going with a non-slipper I wouldn't mind.

I know motowheels put out a feeler thread on a different board wondering how many would be interested in a dry clutch conversion..... Maybe if enough people email them, they will decide to do it....

I looked into this for my S2R800 and was quoted $2300 for parts and labor by a well respected Ducati shop in WVA. Unfortunately for that price I might as well buy an S2R1K. 

Good luck with the conversion. 

There phil, fixed it for ya ;)

Thanks evan!