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Finally here. A month off for everyone to mend and heal. So who you got?


1. Lorenzo
2. Stoner
3. Rossi

1. Pinty McDoucheWallet
2. Lorenzo
3. Hayden
...
XX. Stoner (DNF, crashed into Rossi for revenge)
XX. Rossi (DNF, taken out by Stoner)

This.

Well Ducati has no plans on the revised chassis for Estoril, so Rossi won't be close enough to the front for these scenarios to happen unless it rains.

Yeah, they definitely needed a whole month off after that grueling 2 race schedule. They need to watch a Hockey
season.  :D

about time we get this train back on the tracks.


mitt

This ever happen in hockey?

(http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/yatesx-ray.jpg)

This ever happen in road racing?

Clint Malarchuk Neck Injury Full Video- 1 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvKlnguJVE&feature=related#normal)

Touche'  [thumbsup]

It's just a flesh wound....  :o

That musta hurt a bit....

So, other than crash dirt bikes and badly injure their shoulders, what do these guys do with all their time?

It's the 'walking wounded' event...

Bautista trying to come back after breaking his leg.
PedroBot just had the hardware removed from his collarbone.
Crutchlow had his arm worked on.
Rossi's still nursing his bum shoulder.

Did I miss anybody?

Stoner will probably have something if he doesn't win...

 ;D

mitt

reportedly he's at 90%

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/28/2010_estoril_motogp_thursday_roundup_of_.html (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/28/2010_estoril_motogp_thursday_roundup_of_.html)

FP1

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   302.1         1'38.032   
2   27   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda           299.2         1'38.241   0.209 / 0.209
3   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda           300.6         1'38.259   0.227 / 0.018
4   1   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha           292.1         1'38.413   0.381 / 0.154
5   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati                   307.7       1'38.569   0.537 / 0.156
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   294.8         1'38.781   0.749 / 0.212
7   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   298.9         1'38.862   0.830 / 0.081
8   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha                   304.1       1'38.895   0.863 / 0.033
9   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP   Ducati   293.5         1'39.042   1.010 / 0.147
10   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati           289.5         1'39.779   1.747 / 0.737
11   65   Loris CAPIROSSI   ITA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati           296.7       1'39.848   1.816 / 0.069
12   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda           299.3       1'39.856   1.824 / 0.008
13   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   293.8       1'40.129   2.097 / 0.273
14   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati                   304.0         1'40.199   2.167 / 0.070
15   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda                   306.3       1'40.407   2.375 / 0.208
16   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati           296.1         1'40.469   2.437 / 0.062
17   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   Suzuki           290.2       1'41.034   3.002 / 0.565

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation      Km/h    Time   
1   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   308.0    1'37.663   
2   1   Jorge LORENZO      297.4      1'37.724   0.061 / 0.061
3   26   Dani PEDROSA      301.4   1'37.727   0.064 / 0.003
4   46   Valentino ROSSI      299.3   1'38.102   0.439 / 0.375
5   27   Casey STONER      300.2   1'38.102   0.439
6   5   Colin EDWARDS      297.2   1'38.203   0.540 / 0.101
7   17   Karel ABRAHAM      282.2   1'38.473   0.810 / 0.270
8   11   Ben SPIES   USA      301.1   1'38.563   0.900 / 0.090
9   69   Nicky HAYDEN      307.4   1'38.596   0.933 / 0.033
10   8   Hector BARBERA      297.1   1'38.611   0.948 / 0.015
11   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA      291.3   1'38.645   0.982 / 0.034
12   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   295.8   1'38.658   0.995 / 0.013
13   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW      295.9   1'38.760   1.097 / 0.102
14   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA      302.9   1'38.912   1.249 / 0.152
15   65   Loris CAPIROSSI      297.4   1'39.021   1.358 / 0.109
16   14   Randy DE PUNIET      294.0   1'39.137   1.474 / 0.116
17   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA      289.2   1'40.173   2.510 / 1.036

Simoncelli rides like a girl.   [cheeky]

Sideshow Bob wanna be

(http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/attachments/f6/57717d1247839935-rihanna-s-new-hairstyle-me-nuh-kno-bout-dis-one-yah-sideshow_bob.jpg)

"It's German for 'The Pedrosa The.'"

FP3
1   65   Loris CAPIROSSI   ITA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   283.8   1'44.515   
2   1   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   278.8   1'45.079   0.564 / 0.564
3   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   276.0   1'45.955   1.440 / 0.876
4   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   286.1   1'46.481   1.966 / 0.526
5   27   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   276.2   1'47.676   3.161 / 1.195
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   276.3   1'47.849   3.334 / 0.173
7   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   265.9   1'48.102   3.587 / 0.253
8   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   280.5   1'48.140   3.625 / 0.038
9   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   267.6   1'49.117   4.602 / 0.977
10   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   262.7   1'50.896   6.381 / 1.779
11   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   245.8   1'51.497   6.982 / 0.601
12   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   256.3   1'51.611   7.096 / 0.114
   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   281.3   1'52.111   7.596 / 0.500
   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP   Ducati   267.7   1'52.704   8.189 / 0.593
   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   236.4   1'53.670   9.155 / 0.966
   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   274.7   1'53.872   9.357 / 0.202
   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   Suzuki   

I dont know what happened, the Honda's must have stayed in the garage

With those times, and Nicky near the top, I'm guessing it rained a bit.

Estoril qualy results:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110430b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110430b.htm)

Also interesting banter between Marco and Jorge during the front row press conference. Bet that was fun to watch and hear. Pedrobot thought so! [laugh]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110430rydernotes.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110430rydernotes.htm)

Simoncelli has never been afraid to stir the pot a bit.  [evil] 

Race is live on SPEED at 0800est. Moto 2 at 1600, GP replay at 1700.

Simo is going to push too hard tomorrow.

Spies did very well today. I think we'll see something out of him

Not the whole exchange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNZ1yX1X4u4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNZ1yX1X4u4)

The race was awesome!!!  It was so much fun watching it in person.
(http://catie.smugmug.com/MotoGP/MotoGP/i-THRqnnd/0/M/motogp%20015-M.jpg)

Very cool!! [thumbsup]

Nice ride by Pedrobot.  [thumbsup]

Great race by Pedrosa.  [clap] and Dovizioso squeaks out the golden boy at the line.

It's kinda depressing how good the Hondas are  :P

Very nice ride by Edwards! [thumbsup] Bet he was wishing for a slighly faster ride. Had he been able to close that gap he could of made it interesting. Same said for Stoner and his gap.

Nasty ass high side by Marco. OUCH!! :P [thumbsdown]

A very forgetable race for The Ben. [bang] Nothing to see here. Move along. ;D

And Moto2 was awesome [thumbsup]

Didn't watch it yet.  How many died at turn 1?

None. Go make Commo hater.  :-*

Turn 2 now, that was some "War of 1812" carnage.

Shhh  :D

 [laugh] [laugh] Gonna watch the mayhem later tonight.

It makes me want to spit up a little bit but Pedrobot did ride a nice, calculating race today and Jorge couldn't answer his attack. It's like someone is twisting the shit out of my arm making me say this but "well done Pedrobot!" Oh God, I need to take a shower and go to confessional. [laugh]

 [laugh] [laugh]

I was right!  Pinched nerve in his back.


mitt

Seriously?  That's what the in race self massage was all about?

How long is Spies contracted to Yamaha? Things are not looking good, what the hell is going on with him and that bike

through next year.  see the other thread, it was a mechanical(ish).

The summary article over at MotoMatters has a couple more details about the Ben. Apparently, after pulling the tool off, he was worried that he might have damaged the brake system.  He intentionally ran off-line to avoid crashing out other racers, and lost the front in unfamiliar territory.

Didn't take long for me to be half correct

Great racecraft shown by Crashy McSmurf. I hate the guy but today I hate him just a lil less.

Gotta say, I felt a bit burned by Dovi and his last second pass of Rossi...but damn nice snag at the end.

I know the bikes are different, and may be the answer to this question should be obvious....but I don't understand why Ducatis are competitive in WSBK but so far not so much in MOTOGP  ?

Riders ?

Dolph   :)

They don't get a 200cc advantage in MotoGP, for one :)


Seriously?

Doesn't that come with some weight penalty having the extra ccs.

What I meant about the Riders .

The Hondas are faster this year it seems and the Ducs are slower.

By now Nicky should be able to ride a Duc to the front if it is fast enough and for sure Rossi if he is familar w. the Desmo.

Dolph      :)

I was kind of joking, but in any case, I think the intake restrictor is a much more significant penalty than the weight one.

My guess is as good as yours why Ducati is having some trouble in MotoGP, but I don't think it's a rider problem, even considering Stoner's success.

Did Rossi have anything to say about his performace?

To me, WSBK is more fun to watch than MOTOGP.

More suspense as to the final outcome.

Dolph

It does seem to be more closely matched in wsbk

And there are 437 people on the grid ;D

Go watch a 6 or 12 hour race, with multiple pit stops and rider changes if you really want to see some fun racing.

Me too. I love WSBK, it kicks ass! MotoGP is 90% as good. MotoGP is good enough for me to make the trek to Austin whenever that happens. But I'd rather drive further to see a WSBK race. Hey, you get two races for the price of one and the support race is better too! ;D [thumbsup]

Can't say about WSBK, but here's Rossi's recent take on MotoGP...from motomatters.com (emmett)


"...Valentino Rossi was far more forthright in his opinions about the riders complaining about aggressive moves. Rossi conceded that in 250s, Simoncelli had made a few moves "at the limit", but in MotoGP, his moves had not been beyond the pail. The problem, Rossi avowed, lay elsewhere: "For me, the problem is that big part of MotoGP riders now are pussies," Rossi declared. "In the past, this is normal, the riders were more like real men. Now it is more like they are children."

My personal opinion is the carbon chassis they keep trying to use.   I think if Ducati designed a chassis out of a more conventional material, they would have more success, but they seem dead set on using carbon because its exotic.  From what I understand, the carbon fiber is very progressive on initial flex, but the snap back is not nearly as progressive, so you get no feel and a twitchy bike.  I believe a more conventional metal alloy chassis would be smoother in both directions and provide a better bike to work with.  Its never been their engines.

Nicky was fastest through the speed trap on the Duc.

It's not all about how 'fast' the bike is.

I thought Barbera's highside was nastier personally...

It is rare to have a really great Motogp to watch, but Moto2 is pretty exciting every week  [thumbsup]  I think having a large field really helps, and "spec" engines.

mitt

it's not that the bikes are different.  it's that they are *completely* different.  and the character of the spec tires between the two series are about as opposite as they could be.  ..if you put the spec bridgestone on the ducati wsbk i bet it would run around in the back of the pack.

and the ducati isn't necessarily competitive everywhere, just like all the bikes.  there are 'ducati tracks' and 'non-ducati tracks'... the next race (monza) will be the latter.

as for more exciting, yeah, usually.  2012 should help that situation a lot in GP.  it better.

 ;)

That was a completely different Midget Mcdouchemake the beast with two backs than we've seen before.  He usually runs up front and takes off or stays with the leaders and then fades toward the end.  On rare occasions, he's had a battle at the end.  But he's not the one to drop the hammer with a coupla laps to go, ala Rossi or Lorenzo.  Totally unexpected.  And pretty refreshing.  He's still a make the beast with two backswad.

I love Simoncelli.  He's a madman.  I hope he takes a dump in Lorenzo's helmet.  

I'm starting to get disappointed with The Ben.  I expect him to be running with the big boys, not telling us each time how his laps woulda had him running with the big boys on if _______ [Mad Lib] hadn't happened.  Ben, give us results.

I'm also pretty impressed with Crutchlow.  He killed it in WSS, and had flashes of brilliance in WSBK but was inconsistent (understandable considering that WSBK Yami tha tyear).  So I thought that would translate into middling MotoGP times, but with a strong British fan base.  I just didn't expect him to be doing quite so well so fast.

Elias is never gonna wrap his head around those tires, poor guy.  

Man, it sucks when the guys you're rooting for aren't finishing on the podium or are crashing out.   :'(

Agree - I worked in FRP/CF R&D in the "early days."   CF is amazingly light but one has to ponder how (fiber-reinforced) PLASTIC can be manufactured & tuned to handle all the subtle (and not so subtle) stresses/flexing a GP bike puts on the chassis/SA during a race.   [coffee]

Any "modern" CF engineering experts around?

Well, according to THIS ARTICLE (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/05/03/2011_estoril_post_race_motogp_test_round.html), it was less a matter of the CF itself than, likely, the weave/layup pattern. Stiff in the wrong direction(s).

My point (almost exactly); plastic (the P in FRP) doesn't behave like metal.  Fibers (the F in FRP) themselves have no flex, so it becomes the plastic trying to bend and the inflexible fibers resisting/directing the bending.  A designer can try to introduce 'spring' into the FRP using 2/3-D geometric shapes, but the thicker the FRP becomes the more variables get introduced (i.e., the fiber core, etc.).

Anyway, that article indicates both Rossi and Nicky liked the new chassis they tested after Estoril, so maybe Ducati's on the right track...

Finally got around to watching the Moto2 race and I gotta say gawddamn whatta rush.

Are Simoncelli and Ianonne related? They sure as hell both ride a lot alike. I was stoked for Ianonne but he just pushed her a tad too hard and ran out of rubber.

And then a pretty good exchange after Ianonne took himself out of contention.

on this alone, I would love it if an older member "SP3" ( who doesn't participate here anymore, but may apparently on occasion lurk) chime in with his opinion...

How old does he have to be?

I'm sneaking up on 60