Can anyone supply the part number for an oil filter wrench - preferably NAPA - that fits a M900? I'd like to find one that fits the facets of the filter.
Thanks, Danny
I've got one and it doesn't grip the filter well enough. I don't remember the size but I don't recommend that type.
I use one of these, got it at my Kmart:
(http://www.stridetool.com/tools/autospecialty/images/oilwrench_if103104.gif)
I recommend a claw type.
http://www.google.com/products?q=World%27s+Best+Universal+Oil+Filter+Wrench&btnG=Search+Products (http://www.google.com/products?q=World%27s+Best+Universal+Oil+Filter+Wrench&btnG=Search+Products)
(http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Worlds%20Best%20Oil%20Filter%20Wrench.jpg)
edit: Balls! Beat me to it!
I use this: Craftsman strapwrench. Works like a charm, only $15, made out of aluminum. Tough as hell, and does a million other jobs:
(http://www.rotordesign.com/xt600/strapwrench.jpg)
i use my teeth.
or if i havent brushed my teeth yet, i use the autozone one for $4.99 or thats how much i bought it last time. dont forget that you dont need a filter wrench to PUT IT ON. otherwise u will be using the screw driver technique to remove it.
MotoMFG has a great CNC wrench for Ducati filters.
Thanks everyone. Too tight/waterpump pliers or screwdriver for removal is OK. Too loose/oil squirting on the rear tire is bad.
I can't get much of a grip on it to tighten, and hand tightening it with a oil filter socket would make me more comfortable.
Thanks again, Danny
Will try Autozone
Also, the KN filters have a hex welded on top of it.
Quote from: 671M900 on May 03, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
Also, the KN filters have a hex welded on top of it.
This.
Chris Kelley at CA Cycleworks sells them.
With either that, or one of the claw types that fits on a ratchet, you can use a torque wrench to get it exactly where you want it. You can do that with a cup style, too, but most of them that I've used were too thin/flimsy to give much grunt.
however hiflo filtro filters are half the price...if you dont go ballastic on the oil filter then it shoudlnt be so tight that you need a hex socket to remove it.
True, but in my experience "hand-tight" = slow leak.
Single-purpose tools suck.
(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/qRfL2pYWWk8NQgS1iHCZLTMq79CyEHOwEuMv4oWN7s2dH1nnZluEuh7LG_kmC7qNlQTR5c0Xafqchkr6uaF6PmCyCAGnbagxeIyyHRIvCUwOzk4NFuR3BTLCZZznNPl5N8Gop5elSZtGfK-ko9v8PiPdUotrHX1QQZi0r4RZIe4HmGto12iWiqhogTY)
how many people actually have a channel lock at home unless they do their own plumping???? those things arent cheap either.
Quote from: Buckethead on May 03, 2011, 06:58:44 PM
True, but in my experience "hand-tight" = slow leak.
I have never had a screw-on oil filter leak when I have tightened it by hand.
Never.
next time man up and put some effort into it [cheeky]
I've used a wide rubber band to get a grip on the filter for hand tightening, and even loosening. But I've got the grip of a bear.
I don't have a part number, but Cycle Gear has ones that work great.
Just a word of caution, K&N filters restrict flow too much, it's best to use Ducati's own or a HiFlo, these both work good on Duc's
Quote from: bergdoerfer on May 03, 2011, 07:36:34 PM
next time man up and put some effort into it [cheeky]
My bad.
Guess all those years being single and playing bass have left me with forearms like that of a little girl.
:-*
Maybe your really a lefty.
10-12 Nm (Ducati's fatory recommendation) without some sort of tool requires the grip of a gorilla.
Here is a link for a tool for the factory filter:
http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html (http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html)
The K&N can be removed and tightened with a socket, 17 mm IIRC. No torque wrench? 7/8 turn after O ring makes contact will work.
Quote from: howie on May 03, 2011, 09:13:15 PM
10-12 Nm (Ducati's fatory recommendation) without some sort of tool requires the grip of a gorilla.
Here is a link for a tool for the factory filter:
http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html (http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html)
The K&N can be removed and tightened with a socket, 17 mm IIRC. No torque wrench? 7/8 turn after O ring makes contact will work.
You can buy that for $5.99 at your local auto parts house.
This is the type I use.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_OIL-FILTER-WRENCH-Mountain_26941895-P_N3401A_T (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_OIL-FILTER-WRENCH-Mountain_26941895-P_N3401A_T)|GRP2082_____
Quote from: howie on May 03, 2011, 09:13:15 PM
10-12 Nm (Ducati's fatory recommendation) without some sort of tool requires the grip of a gorilla.
Here is a link for a tool for the factory filter:
http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html (http://www.motostrano.com/ducoilfilwre.html)
The K&N can be removed and tightened with a socket, 17 mm IIRC. No torque wrench? 7/8 turn after O ring makes contact will work.
my torque wrench isn't accurate at those low specs. i just put the thing on and tighten it.
I like using the cap type when possible, but I have OEM filters of different shapes and sizes, so I havent bothered to buy one yet for the duc. >:(
There isn't much of the filter sticking out of the case. I wonder if it might be the filter.
I ordered some from a buddy - didn't specify the brand - and he sent me several "Fram" filters. Truth be known, if I had known that he was going to send "Fram" filters, I would have asked for some other brand. Plus, they're chrome, which I dislike.
Thanks for the help. Danny
P.S. He's my racing partner, and has a Motul sponsorship. I use it in my hemi, and like it. He got a case of Motul motorcycle specific oil that I just installed. Goofiest light green color that you ever saw. Politically correct oil - whoda thunk?
Quote from: ductech31 on May 03, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
~~~SNIP~~~
Just a word of caution, K&N filters restrict flow too much, it's best to use Ducati's own or a HiFlo, these both work good on Duc's
Got any data/link/article to back that up?
Quote from: ductech31 on May 03, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
I don't have a part number, but Cycle Gear has ones that work great.
Just a word of caution, K&N filters restrict flow too much, it's best to use Ducati's own or a HiFlo, these both work good on Duc's
HiFlos are K&N copies so you are contradicting yourself. I take it you haven't read through ducatiz's oil filter thread yet. The only filters to stay away from are the Frams.
I use a cheap pair of HF oil filter pliers to get the filters off, and a wide rubber band around the filter to tighten them by hand. Using a torque wrench on a spin-on oil filter is silly.
It's OK to use both hands for that. Never had a leak.
Quote from: bergdoerfer on May 05, 2011, 11:59:47 AM
HiFlos are K&N copies so you are contradicting yourself. I take it you haven't read through ducatiz's oil filter thread yet. The only filters to stay away from are the Frams.
I use a cheap pair of HF oil filter pliers to get the filters off, and a wide rubber band around the filter to tighten them by hand. Using a torque wrench on a spin-on oil filter is silly.
It's OK to use both hands for that. Never had a leak.
Just to be clear: the K&N are made by HiFlo, but the element is different. It could just be dyed red, which is my feeling, but the filters are identical save for the label, the K&N nut, and the color of the element. I believe the elements are the same size and material from what I can see with the naked eye ( and I seem to remembe they weighed within 0.05 oz of each other...)
I don't torque them, but I use a strap wrench off and on.
I've never used a tool to put a filter on in my life.
I do wear mechanic gloves which have rubber on the fingers and that probably allows me to turn the filter easier.
Dirty oil on the o-ring. Once its finger tight, give it another 1/2 to 3/4th turn. Also recheck after you go riding and it's cooled down. If its going to loosen, it will be too easy to turn at that point.
And you can pick up a cheapo channel-lock at a 99 cent store. I bought mine at Jacks 99 Cent store in Manhattan. Keep it sprayed with WD40 and it never rusted.
Every time I've tried on my Monster it leaks.
I don't care if I have to weld the thing on...
I don't want it to leak.
useful calculator:
http://www.boltscience.com/pages/calculator.swf (http://www.boltscience.com/pages/calculator.swf)
Someone please get me squared away on filters. Do I need to rip the Fram filter off?
What filter is the best - bar none?
Thanks, Danny
Quote from: dan miller on May 05, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
Someone please get me squared away on filters. Do I need to rip the Fram filter off?
Fram filters are shit. I would not use it for long. Bypass city.
Read my thread about it: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39672.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39672.0)
Lots of pics
Quote
What filter is the best - bar none?
Thanks, Danny
The best? That's hard to say. In terms of filtration capability, the Ducati, the HiFlo/K&N and the Baldwin are probably the "best" that are available in the US market. Ducati is made by UFI which isn't available in the US. Scott's makes a reusable stainless gauze filter which is supposed to be good, but it's pretty $$$$
As far as any data or testing on filtration, I didn't do any personally but going through one of my Ducati classes the instuctor, who does a lot of race work, told use that was from testing that he had done.
Quote from: ductech31 on May 05, 2011, 08:15:08 PM
As far as any data or testing on filtration, I didn't do any personally but going through one of my Ducati classes the instuctor, who does a lot of race work, told use that was from testing that he had done.
Did anyone ask him what sort of equipment he used or how he determined it, or did everyone just believe it uncritically?
HiFlo makes the K&N filter. Look at the pics.
We didn't ask for specifics, next time I see him I'll ask. I checked out your filter surgery, very impressive, and I see what you mean about K&N and Hiflo.
Know I am curious as to what he used and how he derived his info, I will find out and report back to the forum.
Another comparison between K&N and OEM oil filter:
http://www.tpoparts.com/articles/oilfiltercompare.html (http://www.tpoparts.com/articles/oilfiltercompare.html)
IMO, it is possible the filter paper itself may resist flow more than the OEM filter. Since there is more paper surface area I would think that has been figured in. I use either OEM, HiFlo, K&N or Proform, depending on what's available. If the K&N does resist flow a bit I think this would not be an issue at 4-6 BAR oil pressure.
As far as Fram filters go, this link seems to be dead, but the paper may not stand up to high oil pressure and can distribute paper throughout the engine.
http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters.shtml (http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters.shtml) in case it works again. This is not only a Ducati issue. Google Fram oil filter failure
New link: http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml (http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml)
Quote from: dan miller on May 05, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
What filter is the best - bar none?
Thanks, Danny
George, in THE oil thread, tested an Amsoil EaO filter and said it was far beyond anything else then available on the market. There may be other filters now with the same filter media, but his test results ended any discussion for me.
Quote from: Dan on May 06, 2011, 03:05:07 AM
George, in THE oil thread, tested an Amsoil EaO filter and said it was far beyond anything else then available on the market. There may be other filters now with the same filter media, but his test results ended any discussion for me.
Now I remember :P