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2010 Recap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqwN_YDtuM&feature=player_embedded#at=1276 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bqwN_YDtuM&feature=player_embedded#at=1276)


So . . . anyone actually betting against Biaggi?

not if Bayliss has anything to say about it!!!...

Yeah, but Edwards has his RC-51 back and will kick Bayliss' arse!

on a serious note in response to this question...if people can get their bikes set-up right...I am thinking there is a distinct possibility that Melandri could be a fly in Biaggi's ointment...

Seems the BMWs have the speed, remains to be seen if they can get the rear tire to last.

Never.  He'll win one and DNF the other.


I agree completely.  But I still wouldn't bet against Biaggi.  

FP1

1. Jonathan Rea GBR Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 43.712s
2. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 43.765s
3. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 43.913s
4. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 44.099s
5. Marco Melandri ITA Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 44.208s
6. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 44.221s
7. Eugene Laverty IRL Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 44.232s
8. Michel Fabrizio ITA Suzuki Alstare GSX-R1000 1min 44.257s
9. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1min 44.265s
10. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 44.303s
11. Jakub Smrz CZE Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 44.336s
12. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 44.364s
13. Maxime Berger FRA Supersonic Ducati 1098R 1min 44.374s
14. Joan Lascorz ESP Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1min 44.466s
15. Ruben Xaus ESP Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 44.559s
16. Noriyuki Haga JPN PATA Aprilia RSV-4 1min 44.564s
17. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 45.109s
18. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 45.123s
19. Roberto Rolfo ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 45.944s
20. Mark Aitchison AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 46.129s
21. James Toseland GBR BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 46.568s
22. Fabrizio Lai ITA Echo CRS Honda CBR1000RR 1min 46.735s

Q1

1. Leon Haslam GBR BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 42.934s
2. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 42.953s
3. Eugene Laverty IRL Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 43.235s
4. Ayrton Badovini ITA BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 43.276s
5. Jonathan Rea GBR Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 43.321s
6. Noriyuki Haga JPN PATA Aprilia RSV-4 1min 43.531s
7. Marco Melandri ITA Yamaha WSBK YZF R1 1min 43.588s
8. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 43.640s
9. Maxime Berger FRA Supersonic Ducati 1098R 1min 43.679s
10. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 43.730s
11. Michel Fabrizio ITA Suzuki Alstare GSX-R1000 1min 43.762s
12. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R 1min 43.850s
13. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 43.861s
14. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1098R 1min 44.071s
15. Joan Lascorz ESP Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1min 44.095s
16. Ruben Xaus ESP Castrol Honda CBR1000RR 1min 44.232s
17. Jakub Smrz CZE Effenbert Liberty Ducati 1098R 1min 44.401s
18. Roberto Rolfo ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 44.922s
19. James Toseland GBR BMW Italia S1000RR 1min 44.989s
20. Mark Aitchison AUS Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 45.356s
21. Fabrizio Lai ITA Echo CRS Honda CBR1000RR 1min 46.964s
22. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki RTS ZX-10R No Time

It may not be the most exciting track, but Monza is my all time favorite to watch.  I wish MotoGP raced there.

Q1 speeds: Aprilia 206.6, Yamaha 203.1, Kawasaki 202.4, Honda 201.1, Ducati and Suzuki 198.5

206.6 mph.  On a production-based bike (as if).  Fastest recorded speed for a Superbike.  That's make the beast with two backsin' unbelievable.   :o 

Really?  Is Assen in your top 3 at least?

Never thought about it, but I do like watching Assen a lot.  I don't know why, but I get excited about Monza every year.

Misano and Kyalami are towards the bottom of the list for me.  I'm embarassed to say that Imola is close to the bottom of my list too  :-\

I'm not a Biaggi fan, but he got screeewed  :-\

Laverty, that's some badass riding  [thumbsup]

Checa didn't get hurt nearly as badly as he could have this weekend.

What a bullshit make the beast with two backsing call that was.  [bang]

It was...and it wasn't.

I don't think they gave him a ride through for gaining an advantage.

They did it because he didn't re-enter the track according to the rules.

You gotta explain that one then.

They have a prescribed method of re-entering the track if you blow that corner...there are a set of white lines you have to stay between to renter. According to the eurosport feed he didn't gain any time.

I don't think the little emperor figured he had to follow that rule...like he figured he didn't have to do a ride through earlier this year.

My take is race direction is making a point.

>cough< Bullshit>cough<

sucks to be Max.

Not as much as Reay

That was nasty...

did he get hurt?

They were saying, again on the eurosport feed, that Checa got into the back of Rea which put him down, and you could see Smyrz get collected. Wasn't Haslam involved too?

I've seen lots of people run into others and it's always the one with the front wheel involved that goes down. I don't see how Checa could have caused it.

"Carlos Checa cut across the nose of Johnny Rea, causing the Castrol Honda rider to crash, taking Jakub Smrz and Leon Haslam with him."

I'll watch it again.

If you think about it...

it's a bunch of racers heading in to 1...like moto 2...they all want the best position possible.

Not all of them make it. :-\

No...you mean like in Moto2 it's part of racing......?  :D

sumthin' like that.

On a completely different note, just started watching my tivo'd race one and they did a scan down the grid and stopped at Troy Corser who had on a sponsor hat that had "pussy" on it!!! Ah... WTF kind of sponsor is "pussy"??? What do they do and how much would they have to pay you to wear that hat?? Curious minds want to know! [bang] [laugh]

http://www.troycorser.com/html/challenge3e.htm (http://www.troycorser.com/html/challenge3e.htm)

I am not surprised at all.  It's an energy drink.  Racers have been trying to get it for ages.  Everyone has been trying to get Pussy.

(http://www.pussydrinkitalia.it/images/pussy-can.gif)

Biaggi got screwed, plain and simple. He went from a 5 second lead to 11th place...and was lucky to finish 8th and in the points. The re-entering theory is BS (even if it is why they did it)...he didn't seem to re-enter any different than other people who blew that corner. Even if he did, who cares...he was alone and knew it. Subtracting 2-3 seconds from his final time (so he would have had to win by that much) would have been reasonable.

That said...

...it made for a fantastic race 2!!  ;D ;D Laverty at the end!  [bow_down] [bow_down] The Haga, Fabrizio battle was great as well. I was cheering for Haga, but whatever. Great racing.

Race 1 was super as well.  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Maybe if douche-E-aggi had attended the riders meeting about just that very rule I'd feel a tiny bit sympathetic.... alas he didn't and I don't, AND he's still a spoiled douchebag.


http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-wsb/biaggi-penalised-in-race-two-at-monza/17961.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-wsb/biaggi-penalised-in-race-two-at-monza/17961.html)

My guess would be (and based on the fact that I don't race WSBK >cough<) The lines are there for safely
re-entering the track..line of race etc. (you can see them in the video), but.......since there was no other
racer in his zip code at the time. WGAF.

Bullshit call.

A rule is a rule. A meeting was called to explain just that very rule, Biaggi felt he was too good to attend. Tough shit, he broke the rule he got penalized.

Personally I'm sick of Biaggi's on and off track antics and don't get me started on Aprilia's massaging of the bike set up rules... the team had it coming IMO.

Are they still doing that?  I remember they were playing fast & loose with the cam drive a while back.. uhh.. last year...

I'm with Kopf...the ride through was excessive given the circumstances.

nope... that "loophole" in the regulations was closed for this season.

i agree sympathetically, just cuz it blew a gigantic lead for him.  however..



exactly.  they make a point of saying if you do X, Y will happen.  then someone does X.  they have to do Y.

that said..


ok, donington aside, what antics? 

and what massaging?  the cam was legal, they used it, it became illegal, they stopped using it.  clearly the bike still works pretty well..


STOKED for eugene.  awesome ride, twice.   [thumbsup]

The pass for the win in Race 2 was epic.  [clap]


SBK Race 2 - Monza 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGR26TwpUDo#normal)

loved that marco tried to let him go by the lap or 2 before and laverty wouldn't do it.

Ya, ya, I get it. A rule is a rule. It sounds like a safety rule, which he broke. Fine. Given the conditions though, the rule he broke didn't make a difference. A ride through still seems excessive to me. If they were that concerned about safety then there seemed to be some pretty tough passing/blocking going on (not that I'm complaining!  ;D). Haga sure seemed pissed a couple times. The 3/10s part of their explanantion is BS...he obviously slowed down, but didn't have a reference.

Whatever though...it did make for a much better ending to the race!  ;D

what gave you that impression??   ;D

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-wsb/biaggi-and-aprilia-rule-breakers/17833.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-wsb/biaggi-and-aprilia-rule-breakers/17833.html)

I know it's a piddling little thing, but they DO seem to keep coming up on the wrong side of the rule book don't they? Beside 2 or 3 bhp here and there adds up. Like I said, no sympathy for the team.  >:(

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2011/04/20/aprilia_denies_rumors_of_illegal_fuel_pu.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2011/04/20/aprilia_denies_rumors_of_illegal_fuel_pu.html)

Dude, leave me my righteous indignation will you?  [laugh]

beat me to it  ;)

Ya know I smelled ambush... jes sayin'. ;)

excellent monza article.  INCLUDES WSS SPOILER.

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/05/09/2011_monza_wsbk_post_race_roundup_balls_.html (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/05/09/2011_monza_wsbk_post_race_roundup_balls_.html)

You know, WSBK was my favorite series until this race. The penalty call on Max was total bullshit. My two cents but it was the worst race official call I have ever seen in WSBK. WSBK is now in the realm of MotoGP. And that's not good. Look up weak bullshit in the dictionary and there will be a picture of Max in this race! Just sayin'....

as "shitty" as it seems, it's kinda hard to feel sorry for a guy that broke a track-specific rule that was gone over in a (mandatory?) riders meeting that he didn't bother to attend.

Suppose Biaggi had tried to make the corner and crashed.....

In a way, that rule forces the rider to make that kind of decision - enter the corner/chicane at a controllable speed, or else...

I think the penalty associated with this rule is about more than just gaining a few tenth's of a second...it's like a kind of virtual gravel.

biaggi wasn't (just) penalized for straight-lining the chicane, he was penalized for not following the re-entry procedure covered in the riders' meeting.

so he gained, if anything, a negligible advantage and then followed that up with entering the track incorrectly.

if he'd showed up to the rider's meeting, he'd have had a better chance to know about the re-entry procedure and then he might've just gotten away with a small time penalty (we'll never know).

What does bad stitching on his leathers have to do with anything?  :D

 ;D

so monza is fast as shit
so they put in these run off lanes as a safety measure
so they have this rider's meeting and cover exactly how to deal with them
max doesn't go
max blows it, 5 second lead or not

what would EVERY other rider and team manager on the grid say if they hadn't given him the ride-through?

it totally sucks, yes, since he slowed down, had a monster lead anyway, and it just really didn't matter in the scope of the race. 

but it would have been bigger bullshit to go through all those gyrations just to say, ah, make the beast with two backs it, we weren't all that serious about that rule.

not to mention: italian-owned series, italian officials, italian rider, italian bike, italian team.  can you just imagine what would have happened if they blew that one off?

pretty much nailed it all the way thru..  especially:


if they didn't penalize him, it would have been bs

Yeah, I know you guys are right. But I was just so pissed when I saw the race last night. I still think he got make the beast with two backsed but you're right, they can't give him a pass on it. It would really piss everyone else off and I can see why. That's why they call them rules. ;D I'm already over it. Move along, nothing to see here. ;)

Troy had a pussy hat on.

[laugh]

my favorite!

(http://www.powerslide.net/forum/uploads/monthly_02_2010/post-2194-1265983707_thumb.jpg)

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=48737.msg890304#msg890304 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=48737.msg890304#msg890304)

I avoided this thread because I just watched the race..... ;D


I havent read all the posts yet [laugh]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34562.msg605986#msg605986 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34562.msg605986#msg605986)

 ;D

Oh yeah?!

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35444.msg632586#msg645686 (http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae158/designerteez/Mature/BlowMe-Burgundy.jpg)


 ;D

I think I noticed this at Miller last year...he wore an all white helmet with Pussy across the front IIRC.  [laugh]

I looked for some Pussy last night at the grocery store, and sadly couldn't find any. Bummer...I'm curious what flavor profile they went with.  [coffee]




(sorry...couldn't resist)

[laugh]

James Bond got Pussy Galore....

but that was in the '60s when peace and love ruled the world, and Monza (?) still had that death-trap curve with the guardrail at the top  ;)

Did laverty ever say why he pulled back on that second to last pass in the last lap?  That one where he was looking behind him afterwards.  Seemed like a weird moment to me

Melandri wanted him to lead, but he declined.

LOL, I would assume they come in cherry flavor.







ok, I am banning myself from this thread

yup, very smart on eugene's part.  marco was trying to line him up for what eugene later did to marco.

 [thumbsup]

Yeppers, that's the way I saw it. Laverty didn't fall for it. [thumbsup] More smart race stuff from Eugene! [moto]

haslam, race 1:

Cutting the chicane at Monza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ubsUk2Jl4Bc#normal)

Biaggi, race 2:

Cutting the chicane at Monza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M5JVoqaVoaY#normal)

Ya, after seeing those a couple days ago they really couldn't not penalize him with a ride through since that was the only penalty option available to them.

Even though him being outside the chute didn't make a shit bit of difference for safety.

...because there happened to not be a bunch of other riders coming by at the time

Agreed, but that's entirely the point. He knew he was way ahead, looked over to see it was clear (which he knew it would be), and apparently decided to blow the chute lines. Bad decision from a rules standpoint, but not an unsafe one given the circumstances.

Either way, the penalty was unavoidable since they said there would be no lienency if someone didn't follow the lines. I agreed with your earlier post on why they had to give him a ride through.