Ducati Monster Forum

So it seems like the retail price on the kit has gone up considerably in the last few years. When I dug up threads from 05-06, it seems that you could’ve purchased the kit for a little over $500, but now I see the price is approx $725 before shipping.

So am I better off purchasing the whole kit OR sourcing the bare essentials (used) off a S2R 1000, which I believe are just the calipers, pads, rotors and lines for around $400? The only thing I’m having trouble finding are the master cylinders... also will my coffin style reservoirs work with this upgrade?

This is going on an 06 S2R 800... thanks in advance

The coffins will work. I did the same, sourcing the pieces on my own, and retained the stock master on my 620. 

you don't need the pee cups for it to work. 

Thanks guys, that really clears things up. The make/break factor to my decion was the need to purchase new cylinders/reservoirs/levers but this makes my decision much easier. So just to recap, calipers, rotors and pads are a must. New lines will make my life easier due to different mounting style, but nothing else needed?

i am pretty sure the hoses have to be replaced as the 2-pad goldlines have a different angle banjo

when you say hoses, you mean brake lines right?

unless you know of some other hoses on your brakes! :-)

LOL no which is why I was confused. I had used the term "lines" in my prev post but when you responded with hoses, thought you were referring to something in addition. Thanks again...

these.. didn't you get a few pairs with your bike? 

(http://www.wfu.edu/~knott/images/wash_nylon_pantyhose.jpg)

lol, what do you think i layer with on chilly days?

any recommendation on good street pads?

depends on what rotors you are getting, but if you are getting the straight up stainless type, i used HH sintered

Good stuff, yea I'm keeping the stock S2R rotors that are coming with the calipers. Who knows, I may use the pads that come with it now in the meantime and upgrade rotors/pads together after they wear down. At least on my car, I do rotors/pads together...

You won't be sorry - it's a huge improvement [thumbsup]

+ 1 on sintered pads.

You WILL need special lines/hoses for this calipers/master combo.
16mm master instead of stock 15mm works a little better, but isn't absolutely required. ~$ 120 from Yoyodyne, who also can make correct lines for the same amount. (The kit came with the 16mm master)

That's ONLY if I choose to upgrade the master cylinders? But if I keep my stock 15mm coffins, those should work fine with the lines/calipers I got off together from the S2R 1000, correct?

The banjo fitting (end of the lines) angles are different at the caliper - so different that they don't fit.
The custom lines must fit a coffin master AND Goldline 4 piston 2 pads calipers.

Thanks for the heads up. I was going to start the install the second all the parts arrived. But I guess this makes sense b/c I remember reading how if you were going to use stock lines, you should pull ones from say a m900 which had the goldline brakes (and the coffin masters) as opposed to the pee cups off the S2R 1000 I'm using.

I'll look into Spielger's custom lines... would you happen to know the length I'll need?

I think Yoyodyne use Spiegler, but I'm not sure.
The type they use has the rotating fittings, which make things a little easier.

Anyway - they'll know the length.

I replaced the stock 2 pot calipers and 300mm rotors on my 695 with 320mm rotors and 4 pot goldlines when I did my suspension.  I also swapped the master cylinder for a 16mm coffin.  The kit I bought included rotors, calipers, lines, and master.

I've heard the brakes feel spongy if you keep the 15mm master.  With the 16mm master they're wonderful.  Really strong and progressive.  Totally confidence inspiring.

What's weird to me is that I understand the need for new lines because of the way the banjos connect differently to the caliper, but I figured the m/c connectors would not make a difference which is why I thought I could get away with the S2R 1000 lines. Unless the diameter of the banjos are different, whether it's angled or straight on the m/c side, it would appear that it should connect regardless?



Thanks for the feedback, I'm not opposed to switching to the 16mm coffin. If anything I heard there wasn't much difference bet 15 and 16mm, but if I could find a set for cheap, I'd definitely switch over. When you upgraded to 16mm coffins, where did you source your lines?

My coffin masters and pee cup masters connect the same way, not sure what that's about.

the difference is in the way the calipers connect.  i would have used the same hose but for that.  in fact, i connected the stock hose to the pee cup master before i put the calipers on to check clearances and length needed.

That's what I was thinking as well, which is why I would imagine the S2R 1000 lines I'm getting with calipers should work fine (will fit calipers duh! but as well as the coffins). Before I start ordering stuff I don't need, I'll just wait for everything to arrive. I'll take a look and see if it connects to my 15mm coffins, and if so great. If not, I'll look at custom lines or perhaps a set from an older monster that used the 4pot 2 pad calipers and coffin style masters.

Stupid question, but say I upgraded to 16mm coffins, suffice to say my current aftermarket "shorty" levers for my S2R 800 would not work on the brake side? And if I wanted a matching lever set, I'd either have to throw my stock clutch lever back on (and use a stock brake lever off a 16mm coffin)?

Ok - the 800 fitting is 90 degrees at the master - the 1000 fitting is almost straight.

The two master types seem to have similar mounting angles/positions, so it's strange why 800 line fittings are angled like they are. (routing?)

That means that you MIGHT be able to use the 1000 lines on the 800/coffin master. (length and routing?)

Sorry that I was so sure in my previous post.

The 15 and 16mm coffins are identical - same levers [thumbsup]

My lines came with the kit.  They're angled about 45 degrees, as shown:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4859904970_24e839957e_z.jpg)

All coffin levers are interchangeable, so if you upgrade your 15mm reservoir to 16mm, you can still use your old levers.

For reference, here's what the bottom end looks like:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/4870555511_b1bcea73f7_z.jpg)

Gotcha, I just thought they were different because I remember when I ordered the levers I had to confirm the pivot bolt size (12 vs 8mm), and I recall the S2R 800 and 695 were different from the the other Monsters 2003 to current...

Don't see how a picture of your setup without any description is supposed to be even remotely helpful to our question(s). Post in the gallery instead.

you forgot to snap your fingers and say "pregnant dog"

Sorry I get tired of seeing shameless self plugs that add no value other than the purpose of adding to one's own post count or showing off something that nobody asked for. That or I'm just getting too old for forums, lol.

Now back on topic!

Just go baller status and get the Brembo RCS Master cylinder.  This is the route I am going with my 06 S4R and Aprilia Dorsoduro this winter.

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1651%7CMonster%20Brakes&productID=6517&showDetail=1&categoryID=1657 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1651%7CMonster%20Brakes&productID=6517&showDetail=1&categoryID=1657)|Monster%20Brake%20Master%20Cylinders&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts

parts is parts - some stuff you need:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50128.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50128.0)