Ducati Monster Forum

In the process of selling my 696 and stumbled across a shop selling almost  brand new Red EVO. Technically it is used with under 100 miles, not sure of exact number yet. They were going to mod it or something or other not my concern, so what I want to know is what would be a fair price on such an item? The first response was $11,500 but I can pretty much get that at dealer plus the fees. Am i being a greedy pig to think that say $10,750 is a fair price. I'd need to save enough to not get the perks that come from buying from your local dealer. It is usually appreciated by the staff and can reflect in better service when needed, such as a loaner bike etc.

I'm looking at the 11 Street Triple, 11 Honda CB1000r, Harley FatBoy, Aprilia Tuono, and as stated the EVO Monster and perhaps a nicely modded late model S4RS. I really like the BMW K1200R but want a lime green 08' with low miles. If anyone knows anybody who knows anybody have them track me down quickly.

Also am I forgetting to look at something?

I think you need to think about what ya want a bit more.  Do you want a lame, slow cruiser for poseing at bars? If yes, then the FB is the only bike on the list that will do.  If you want something that's at least sorta quick and goes around corners then the FB is out.

The Street Triple is a 675 - not a ton more motor than you'e got now, though it should have a bit more peak power.  The Speed Triple is more similar to the Tuono and if you are looking at a bike like the Tuono, why not the duc streetfighter?  The 4cyl bikes I find rather bland/boring feeling so if it were my list I'd scratch the rest on that basis.

I suspect that the Evo would be pretty awesome - easier to ride than the streetfighter, but still quite quick and packing loads of low-mid range grunt.

I agree with what most of what Bikepilot said except for the what he said about the Street Triple.  I have a 696 and one of my best friends has a Street Triple R (it's actually in my garage right now).  I've ridden it and it has a ton more motor that the 696.  It way out accelerates my 696, not even close.  I don't like the looks and I like the character of my Ducati's motor but when it comes to performance my bike doesn't keep up.   

Jim

The Street Triple has a killer motor, it's may lack a bit of the low-end torque (maybe, the triples have good torque) but it has plenty more up high.  The Speed Triple is basically the wheelie-o-matic of the group.  You'll be disappointed in the Fatboy, it lacks ground clearance, is a ton heavier, and has nearly 1000cc on the 696 but isn't all that much more powerful.  The Tuono is a great bike, it is more upright than a sportbike, but carries a retuned motor from the Mille underneath and can flat haul ass.  Being water cooled BikePilot is pretty on par with suggesting looking at the Streetfighter. 

Me personally?  I'd probably go with the Monster, with the Tuono & Speed Triple as my second and third choices.

JM

Hey Guys thanks for the replys, but I meant the new Speed Triple not the STreet Triple. Friggin' names are to close.

As far as the FB I just always liked the look and have never ridden one. Gonna test ride one for giggles, leaning
heavily towards the EVO or Speed Triple, love the new headlights.

Still really dig that Madmax styling on the K1200R though.

Technically, it's probably a demo model that has never been titled so technically, it is still new.

Ducati Newport Beach had one a couple weeks ago.  Don't know if they still do but they were selling it with around 100 miles on it.

Well to today was an interesting day. I stopped into my local Duc store and was able to demo the 1100evo and the 11 Speed triple back to back. I rode the Duc first then the triple. Keep in mind i've only been riding about 3 years and my 696 is my only real test subject to work off of.

First impressions would be I think I like the Triple better. I enjoyed them both, but they are entirely different animals. The Duc has appreciably more torque at lower speeds, but with that added torque comes loads of hand vibration which is not present on my 696 or the Triple. Handling at the demo speeds I was going seemed to be about the same. Again I'm sure someone with more experience would laugh at that assessment. All I can say is what my ass felt. To me why the Triple shined was how smooth and really fast it was compared to the Duc, and I had a bunch of problems getting used to the clutch on the Duc; I must have stalled it 5 times on my 20 minute ride compared to not a one on the Triple. I may have been used to the different clutch feel by the time I got on the Triple though to be fair to the Duc. But if you have ever ridden a 696 you would know the odd feel the clutch has compared to a dry clutch so it was messing me up at the start. I also never even came close to lifting either wheel so womping on them does not turn them into wheelie machines as I feared.

The Triple is just smooth as butter with almost zero road feel at the hands, and it's not quite as purdy, but it does have me thinking?
However I can get a sweet deal about a flat $11k for the EVO so I am really torn.

how about cornering?

When I tested a BMW F800 it turned like a fat dog.
How was the triple compared to the Monster?

both are great bikes with fanatical owners... i dont think you can really go wrong with either.

btw, the 1100evo has a wet clutch now, not a dry clutch and the only complaint i've heard about the triple is some vibration at highway speeds.

MAybe a smidge of under steer I think one would call it on the TRiple, but nothing that disconcerting. I also only really hit it hard on the straights as I didn't want to be the idiot who dumped it on the demo. I rode them like I normally ride and honestly handling wouldn't be a factor as I thought they were similar. I hit 80 tops on both, i was in a 45mph, and the Triple was almost nill vibration at the grips. Really nice, smooth, untorky power compared to the EVO. To me the EVO felt meaner or rougher, kinda harley vibrations in the hands. The Triple same as the 696 maybe better. I will probably take them out one more time going Triple first. I will post up.
The deal I can possibly get on the EVO though may be hard to pass up, and I just got a line on a low mileage SF that a guy needs to sell fast, so new option. Any problems with the first run of SF"s that went out?

My next test drives I will take to I95 and see about that for you.

Is it the same style clutch? My 696 a 2 year old could squeeze it and there is a one inch almost lag before the wheels turn, that's how mine has been since day one. I remember because I kept stalling it when I first got it trying to figure out the pause before moving. The EVO clutch was firm and moved forward immediately. I normally keep my pinkie under the lever to help on the 696, but can't do that with the EVO because your moving already. It might be similar, but probably not the same?

I'm gonna hijack my own thread, friggin' big lout that I am.  So I just stumbled across a pimped out beautiful 07 S4RS with under 3K on the clock. How similar is this in power to my 696? The price is much nicer than anything new and between you and me it kinda gave me a chubby just looking at the pix. Going for an in person tomorrow.

So 07 S4RS  [thumbsup] or not so much? I want a reliable bike much like my soon to be former 696 which was super reliable.
Also what is the maintenance interval with this older model vs. the new ones.

Thanks as always for the vast knowledge on here!

Older - Every 6K for valves, belts every 12K

The S4RS will be more expensive to service than the 1100, but the S4RS is a good bit more motor than the 1100.  S4RS has around 130HP, the 696 around 80, however the torque is about 37lbs on the 696 and around 77lbs for the S4RS.  That is a HUGE torque difference.  Hello power wheelies  [evil]

JM

S4RS is a beautiful bike. It will come with full Ohlins all around which to me is a HUGE plus.

+1!!! [thumbsup] [Dolph]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50228.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50228.0)

You're welcome! ;D

That white & red combo in the link is a nice color combo.  I still REALLY like the blue/white on the S4R too ~

JM

+1

I've always loved that color combo more than any other. Too bad they didn't use it on an RS. I'm sure it would look sharp with the gold Ohlins  [drool] [drool] [drool]

The one I'm looking at bright and early is Black and what appears to be a silver stripe. I would prefer white, but we'll see in person.

But the used Streetfighter market is a little better than i thought so that is becoming an option I might pursue a bit more before finally
buying something.

Streetfighter is the new S4RS. It has a good bit more motor though and is a pretty badass bike all around. It certainly retains that raw, uncompromising Ducati feel to the way it rides.

I assume you have not ridden the new EVO? I wonder how the SF and the EVO compare? The shop doesn't have a SF to test.
I also doubt I will be able to test ride the S4RS this morning, but who knows. I've ridden an S2 for a few miles, but I assume
they will not be the same.

Haven't ridden an EVO however I have been on an 1100S.

IMHO the 1100 had more usable power for the street. I thought it had more immediate torque available in lower rpm's than the SF. The SF wasn't lacking though. It definitely had more top end than the 1100 and seemed more track oriented than anything. I don't think I would want to commute much on the SF because it was really raw.

Well the S4 was a disappointment. It was in very poor condition for only 2100 miles and the asking price.

And rain stopped another round of test drives. I did get to ride the S4 in a parking lot and I must say it
has some low end giddy-yup. Seemed similar to the EVO but would need a back to back to say for sure.

I stopped at Ducati Miami as well to sit on a SF. I don't like the position, so that is out.

On a side note, if the owner of that shop reads this it would have been nice if someone
actually came to me to see if I needed help before I had to go find it. I mean really, the
place was empty with employees sitting around seemingly doing nothing as I wandered
from bike to bike for a good lets say 7 minutes before I bothered someone. I'm glad
there is a shop now closer to me than that place.

I only got to ride the Triple again today, but left feeling that could be the one. What a sweet bike. There is definitely more vibration in the bars than I thought, slightly less than the EVO, but it is really fast and pulls in every gear less torque or not. And I really put it through some slow speed circles, tight U-turns, and figure eights and it's right up there with the 686 in that regard. It cant go quite as tight due to longer wheelbase but it is very balanced in parking lot situations. I commute on my bike, and actually use it, so this attribute is important for me.

Still waiting to see another S4RS before taking the plunge.

I did a lot of shopping and test riding before I bought my 1100EVO a couple of weeks ago, and it came down the the Speed Triple and the Monster.  The Triple is a complete beast, no doubt.  For me it came down to three things:

styling - I like the older Triples more than the new, and the new EVO looks great!

character of the motor -The Triumph is incredibly strong, but sounds like a moped at normal speeds and like a weedwhacker on crack at high speed.  It seems much happier in the higher RPM range, which could only lead to (more) speeding tickets. 

ABS - I'm a big believer in ABS, and with it added the new Speedie costs more than the Monster.  Throw in traction control?  Yes, please.


The only thing that made me waver was that the Triumph dealer had a 2010 Anniversary Edition in stock.  Yep, the black one.  Made the "looks" department a lot closer!  Still, I'm very happy with my Ducati - she's the right bike for me.  But I do have a lot of respect for the Triumph.

Either one is probably more capable than you are so get the one you like

Just remember... in ten years the EVO will still be a Ducati and the other one will just be a strange jap bike that is missing a cylinder

I'll buy most of that. The Triumph is much nicer than I thought though. It's not a Duc, but it's not a Kawasaki either.

JUst in case someone cares the EVO valve service is still 7500 miles while the Triple is 12K. So if your factoring that in the S3 is about a grand cheaper to run every 24k miles.

+1000 on the S4RS  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

The 696 is a naked looking scooter (no offense) compared to the S4RS which is a true naked superbike with entirely different power and handling characteristics.  If you can get a good deal on an RS, GO FOR IT!  They don't come up very often, trust me, I looked for a long-ass time for mine.  I almost settled on an 1100 EVO just because I was sick of waiting but am soooo glad I didn't settle.  The old trellis frame couple with Ohlins, 4 pot 320 mm Brembos, an ohhhh, the 4V Testastretta.  Doesn't get any better!  Obviously it's a big step up from the 696, and I can't speak to your experience, but be careful to choose a bike that is within your skill level.

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No offense taken. However there is no accounting for taste as they say. I happen to love the look of the 696, hate the rear sets, and swingarm if I had to nitpick. If i never had the 696 the 796 would be just about perfect. Now however I need more power captain.

I made the mistake of asking my GF what she thought of the bikes I was looking at and she thought they all looked the same and didn't know why I was selling mine to get one that "looks identical to the one you have." She thinks the S3 in white looks basically the same as my white 696! So to you, myself and those in the know that can see the sometimes slight nuances between the varying monsters, s3's, Mv's, etc that makes one theoretically better than another... but to those that don't give a shite about bikes they are all crotch rockets as my 75 year old Pops calls mine.

Well I finally pulled the trigger and put a deposit down on my new rig.
After all of my test drives and hemming and hawing over what to get
I forgot about my original sleeper pick because I had been unable to see one
in the flesh. As luck would have it, or perhaps me calling every dealer
within 500 miles of me, I finally got to see it in person...

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As soon as I saw it I had to have it, but for wheeling and dealing purposes I didn't want them to know that... I drove the 45 minutes home and immediately called the dealer and gave them a deposit before someone snagged it up. They are very, very hard to find near me right now, and I didn't want to wait to see if more might show up.
I know it's not a Duc, hell some of you thought my 696 wasn't really a Duc, but in person it is really sharp. I haven't even heard it start because it just came out of the crate and wasn't prepped yet. I bought my 696 without a test ride and never looked back, hopefully it is the same here. Should be mine in a week or so. I've already started ordering mods. Will post up thoughts after a few rides.
Thanks for the mammories  [drink]

not a duc, but still sexy!

hate Honda (the company) but their bikes are hot.

 :-\ :-X [thumbsdown]

Well I picked up my new CB on Wednesday and have about 175 miles on her. WHile it lacks the grunt of the Vtwin it is really, really quick and pulls like crazy in every gear. The power delivery is very smooth. There is definitely a buzz in the bars that I will be working on getting rid of, but other than that I am very pleased. Handing has been seemless and very similar to the 696 but better because the rear shock is better and the fork is actually adjustable.

So far no regrets other than the 848 SF now coming out... fargin' bastages.

 

Congrats on your new ride. In the end, they are all bikes and I see lots of nice naked bikes I would to have in my garage brand withholding. It is not a crotch rocket, so you can still hang with us, hehe! [Dolph]

 [beer]
all that matters is you found two wheels that make you smile.  [Dolph]

I was just ogling an identical CB down at the dealer just the other day.

Should be a nice ride, plus maintenance is cheap and virtually nonexistent.  ;)

Thanks guys! Quite honestly the low maintenance cost is what sealed the deal for me. The shop I bought it from had both Honda and Ducati and I really, really liked the EVO but it is a maintenance Diva compared to the Honda. The most expensive service on the CB comes at 25K and is $350 plus "maybe a few parts, under $100 for sure." Other than that services are $100-$200 assuming you don't do it yourself.  The Duc is a rich mans toy if you are going to properly maintain it and I am not a rich man. So far the weak spot is the exhaust note. It is pretty week I can not deny, it sounds like a really badass Singer Sewing Machine. This will be going on it shortly,  http://www.hpcorse.com/EN/moto/37/cb-1000-r (http://www.hpcorse.com/EN/moto/37/cb-1000-r)  ....  hopefully it helps in the noise department.

Does anyone know how to get some buzz out of the grips? I was thinking of shooting in some construction gap sealer foam in the bars, it sets up like semi firm styrofoam. I figure it couldn't hurt. Do those weighted bar ends help? Thanks!

And Honda haters the product seems to be working fairly well for a guy named Casey, oh I didn't just say that out loud... doh!  [cheeky]

Bar end weights, a bar snake, or just filling the bars with shot should all do the trick. You need to add weight, so foam probably won't work too well.

You didn't buy his bike though.

Point=moot   [beer]

Speaking as one who just bought a Monster 1100 EVO a few weeks ago, and has put over 1,000 miles on it already, I can honestly say that I went from being completely in love with it to thinking I bought the wrong bike to being completely in love with it again.  It just takes some getting used to and it really needs to break in.  Ride it, ride it, ride it.  

Mine does need a more comfortable saddle though.  Oh, and the first service cost $200...which is on par with the Japanese bikes.

Edit-Congrats on the new bike though.  I've owned a Honda and a Suzuki motorcycle and they make great bikes, my only problem with them is the fact that everyone has one.

Only Honda would put a 4-lug wheel on a SSS motorcycle. What a travesty. 4 spoke wheel also!

 [bang]


Congrats on the new bike, but you shoulda got an S4RS.  [thumbsup]

Guzzi and BMW do as well.

While I prefer the look of the single nut, 4 smaller ones is nice because you don't need some expensive ass socket to remove the wheel and the torque values are much more reasonable.

I was referring to it more like how they just designed it like a car wheel. BORING. The other manufacturers that do that usually have it designed in such a way that it still looks good.

And the socket might be expensive (in relation to other sockets) but you just bought a multi-thousand dollar toy (motorcycle), you can't buy a $65 tool for it?

SDRider - If I may ask... what was it that got you to thinking you bought the wrong bike? And what swung the needle completely back to the love zone again?

I've been trying to decide myself whether to bring the 1100 EVO home and let her make herself at home in my garage. More details please!

Sure you can. Nothing like a $65 tool with only one use on one piece of equipment. Also, be sure to take it with you if you ever go on a long trip...as some shops (non-Duc) may not have one if you need a new rear tire in the middle of BFE.  ;)

That said, the single nut does look best. But there is definite practicality in the Honda arrangement. I'll agree they could have made it look better though (goes for the entire wheel IMO). BMW did a nice job on the R1200S and HP2 Sport...not so much on the GS.

You know until you brought it up I never even noticed the Duc's have a uni-nut. Thanks now I like the single nut better, but not dropping a G-note or more every 7500 miles will more than make up for that slight cosmetic snafu. I also agree the single nut could be impractical in certain instances, albeit them probably pretty rare situations.
The S4's which I also really liked made no sense financially. Most of the nice ones were 2-3 years old, $9k-10K, and had 5k mileage with a $1k'ish 7500 service looming. I paid 10,700 for the Honda and it's obviously brand new, and will take a while before I spend $1k on service. This was a money based decision largely. No regrets at this point but I reserve the right to buyers remorse [beer]

I hear ya. But when you think of it in a "value" sense, you could also say the S4RS is a $16,000 bike that's just been 'broken in'.

Anyways, more than 1 way to view ANYTHING, let along motorcycle buying decisions.

Congrats either way, having previously worked as a designer for Honda, I assure you their bikes are their pride and joy and they would never make a motorcycle they weren't proud of.  [thumbsup]

Well it makes more noises than my Suzuki ever did and I put 16,000+ trouble free miles on that bike.  It never stalled on me, never failed to start, never did anything out of the ordinary.  This bike pops on decel, isn't smooth at all when cold, has stalled on me a few times (not starting out stalling, I'm talking about I pull the clutch in at speed and it stalls), plus the clutch takes a bit of getting used to simply because the motor is so lumpy below 4,000rpms, as does the relatively narrow powerband and tall gearing compared to the bike I came from.  It is smoothing out as I've put a bit over 1,000 miles on it already and should only get better as she continues to break in.  Plus, I'm getting used to the bike and haven't had a stall in the last couple hundred miles, touch wood.

The small tank is probably my biggest complaint though.  I ride to work once and I'm filling up again the next day on my way home.  100 miles and the fuel light comes on, 25 miles later and you're down to less than 1/2 a gallon if you're lucky.  I do wish the gas tank was a little larger but that isn't going to change and will probably get a little smaller if I decide to do the Caswell sealer like my friend did on his GT1000 Sport Classic.

It is just a beautiful bike though and riding it in the canyons is pure joy.

the bike gets a lot better after break in... i'm on 4500 miles on my 796 right now and i had all the issues you mentioned when it was getting loosened up... now it's just been smooth as hell recently.

the dp ecu helps alot for the low end though, and i havent put on my 14t sprocket yet.  i'm debating whether or not to right now as i've become pretty used to the 15 sprocket.