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Title: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: wiredbeans on July 06, 2011, 02:12:32 AM
Hi Folks

I was offered these for a really good price but not sure if it's fixable/worth getting. I am pretty sure these will fit my bike but I want to know if these can be fixed and if I will have any future problems with them after they are fixed.

I was offered $600 USD for both, you guys think that's a good price?

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x190/wiredbeans/1016l1l_20.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x190/wiredbeans/2823cdn_20.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 03:22:07 AM
That wheel is repairable, but will probably need paint after the repair.

By the time you're done you'll have close to 1K in the set.

Still worth it?
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: 2-Skinny on July 06, 2011, 08:07:27 AM
These Marchessinis on Woundedduc.net look similar and are in flawless condition for $600...

(http://www.woundedduc.net/images/PA110029.JPG)

Not sure if they are the same though...

http://www.woundedduc.net/Wheels.html (http://www.woundedduc.net/Wheels.html)
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: Buckethead on July 06, 2011, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: 2-Skinny on July 06, 2011, 08:07:27 AM
Not sure if they are the same though...

Nope.

Those will fit (with some doin') a dual-sided swingarm bike, but not one with a single-sided swingarm.

Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: wiredbeans on July 06, 2011, 12:11:16 PM
I will try talk him down a bit, maybe $500 for the set or even $400 for the set. Do you think paint is strong enough? I always thought for rims you need powder coat especially the edge because we change tires more often and the edges gets chipped easy if painted.

Quote from: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 03:22:07 AM
That wheel is repairable, but will probably need paint after the repair.

By the time you're done you'll have close to 1K in the set.

Still worth it?
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
Quote from: wiredbeans on July 06, 2011, 12:11:16 PM
I will try talk him down a bit, maybe $500 for the set or even $400 for the set. Do you think paint is strong enough? I always thought for rims you need powder coat especially the edge because we change tires more often and the edges gets chipped easy if painted.

I'm a painter... ;D

Powder is just paint without solvents.

The only advantage on a rim is the powder is fully cured once it's cooled.
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: Desmo Demon on July 06, 2011, 06:21:53 PM
I don't know where you are located, but we have a guy with a straightening machine that cost several thousands of dollars and he'd probably straighten that rim for about $75. I had him do a rim for my Paso 750 and a buddy has had him straighten a couple of rims for his Suzuki TL1000


Quote from: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
I'm a painter... ;D

Powder is just paint without solvents.

The only advantage on a rim is the powder is fully cured once it's cooled.
I don't know if I'd agree with you on this, and I'm positive my father wouldn't. Powder is much more durable and is therefore much more of a PITA to remove, especially when a primer base is applied (done submerged under water - electrocoat bath). I used to get powder coating done for free as long as it was black, silver, or John Deere green....my father was in charge of a powder-coating line for the MetoKote Corporation for about 15 years. ;)

http://www.metokote.com/ (http://www.metokote.com/)

The e-coat process: http://www.metokote.com/coatingTechnologies/ecoatProcessSpecifics.asp (http://www.metokote.com/coatingTechnologies/ecoatProcessSpecifics.asp)

Not that Wikipedia is ever the absolute authority on information - "It is usually used to create a hard finish that is tougher than conventional paint." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating)
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 06:30:48 PM
Quote from: Desmo Demon on July 06, 2011, 06:21:53 PM
I don't know where you are locate, but we have a guy with a straightening machine that cost several thousands of dollars and he'd probably straighten that rim for about $75. I had him do a rim for my Paso 750 and a buddy has had him straighten a couple of rims for his Suzuki TL1000

I don't know if I'd agree with you on this, and I'm positive my father wouldn't. Powder is much more durable and is therefore much more of a PITA to remove, especially when a primer base is applied (done submerged under water). I used to get powder coating done for free as long as it was black, silver, or John Deere green....my father was in charge of a powder-coating line for the MetoKote Corporation for about 15 years. ;)

http://www.metokote.com/ (http://www.metokote.com/)

The e-coat process: http://www.metokote.com/coatingTechnologies/ecoatProcessSpecifics.asp (http://www.metokote.com/coatingTechnologies/ecoatProcessSpecifics.asp)

Not that Wikipedia is ever the absolute authority n information - "It is usually used to create a hard finish that is tougher than conventional paint." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating)
I won't dispute that powder is tough...but it's still just a coating.

It still chips and offers no corrosion protection once the coating is breached.

For a refinish application bearings must be removed, and often replaced, and the entire finish must be blasted off making the claimed labor savings moot.

Where is the advantage?

Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: Desmo Demon on July 06, 2011, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 06:30:48 PM
Where is the advantage?

You said it right here...
Quote from: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 06:30:48 PM
I won't dispute that powder is tough...
Title: Re: Is this worth getting? Bent rear rim and good front from 848 cast
Post by: ducpainter on July 06, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: Desmo Demon on July 06, 2011, 06:50:10 PM
You said it right here...
I have no issues mounting tires on rims I've painted.

Powder will chip as easily as paint, in my experience, when a gorilla whacks your rim with a steel tool or part of the tire machine.

I'm not seeing any real plus.

That said...it will come down to price.

It always does.