Ducati Monster Forum

1   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   277.5   1'22.823   
2   27   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   284.4   1'23.004   0.181 / 0.181
3   1   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   278.6   1'23.046   0.223 / 0.042
4   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   278.2   1'23.205   0.382 / 0.159
5   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   281.1   1'23.355   0.532 / 0.150
6   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   272.1   1'23.416   0.593 / 0.061
7   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP   Ducati   279.3   1'23.433   0.610 / 0.017
8   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   271.4   1'23.534   0.711 / 0.101
9   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   274.6   1'23.558   0.735 / 0.024
10   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   277.1   1'23.594   0.771 / 0.036
11   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   282.7   1'23.604   0.781 / 0.010
12   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   Suzuki   277.8   1'23.989   1.166 / 0.385
13   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   276.5   1'24.162   1.339 / 0.173
14   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   275.2   1'24.512   1.689 / 0.350
15   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   277.6   1'24.620   1.797 / 0.108
16   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   278.9   1'26.060   3.237 / 1.440
17   65   Loris CAPIROSSI   ITA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   274.9   1'26.334   3.511 / 0.274

Vale 14th, Nicky 4th? Huh? Things always change when the lights go red on race day.

rossi wrecked.

and not surprisingly the consistently fast rookie Abraham is up in the mix again on practice, this kid may surprise everyone next year when he gets a better bike.

fixed for ya

...with no idea of how many satelite bikes there will be vs. the CRT bikes out there...the only certainty is that there will be 6 factory bikes on the grid for sure...2 from each of the 3 competeing manufacturers...

His dad will buy him a factory ride ;D

more than likely...you are right...he practically bought him a track afterall...

Will Kawi ever consider rejoining the club? And will Suzuki consider staying? The Honda, Duc and Yammyhammer race series is getting a little old. Not only is the racing better in WSBK so is the mixed variety of scooters. I keep hoping for KTM to join the WSBK fray. [thumbsup]

Am I too old to be adopted? ;D

LEGALLY SPEAKING...in the good ole US of A, apparently not!...but I am in line in front of you!!!

 ;D [cheeky] [laugh] [beer] [Dolph]

FP2

1 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda RC212V 1:22.225
2 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:22.320
3 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:22.432
4 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:22.542
5 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Honda RC212V 1:22.654
6 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Ducati GP11 1:22.882
7 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:22.894
8 Randy De Puniet Pramac Racing Ducati GP11 1:23.037
9 Alvara Bautista Rizla Suzuki Suzuki GSV-R 1:23.261
10 Karel Abraham Cardion AB MotoRacing Ducati GP11 1:23.352
11 Colin Edwards Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:23.431
12 Valentino Rossi Ducati Marlboro Ducati GP11 1:23.533
13 Hector Barbera Aspar Team Ducati GP11 1:23.625
14 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:23.760
15 Hiroshi Aoyama San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda RC212V 1:23.906
16 Toni Elias LCR Honda Honda RC212V 1:24.304
17 Sylvain Guintoli Pramac Racing Ducati GP11 1:25.964


Capirossi was not ready for his return to MotoGP, thus the team substituted Guintoli for the remainder of the weekend.

Again, thoughts and prayers out to Burgess and his wife. First things first, then racing. Wish them the best. [thumbsup]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110714a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Jul/110714a.htm)

ouch.

Valentino Rossi - 12th - 1’23.533:

“This morning’s crash caused a hole in my right arm that looks like a little anatomy lesson because you can see inside as far as the muscle, but I also took a hit on my shoulder - the right one, which was operated on - and now it hurts a little. It’s nothing too bad, and I wasn’t really affected much today.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/Ducati+riders+review+day+1+in+Germany (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/Ducati+riders+review+day+1+in+Germany)

This year is just turning into a forgettable one for Rossi.  First session he crashes early and misses virtually the whole session after boring a hole into his arm, then in the second session his bike shuts off due to a missed pebble still stuck in the bike from the first session crash.  Even when they have good weather to test, he loses more than half his testing time.

Well at least Rossi didn't qualify dead last.  [thumbsdown]

Yes, he did beat Guintoli.  :P

Second race without Burgess... the wheels have truly fallen off the wagon.

Rossi 16th, that bike must be a handful for him, he must be pretty pissed

1   27   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   283.4   1'21.681   
2   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   283.8   1'21.933   0.252 / 0.252
3   1   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   279.2   1'21.944   0.263 / 0.011
4   58   Marco SIMONCELLI   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   279.2   1'21.954   0.273 / 0.010
5   11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   275.6   1'22.056   0.375 / 0.102
6   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   283.1   1'22.157   0.476 / 0.101
7   5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   276.6   1'22.368   0.687 / 0.211
8   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   277.6   1'22.388   0.707 / 0.020
9   14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   274.8   1'22.503   0.822 / 0.115
10   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   Rizla Suzuki MotoGP   Suzuki   279.9   1'22.604   0.923 / 0.101
11   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP   Ducati   279.5   1'22.676   0.995 / 0.072
12   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   274.5   1'22.676   0.995
13   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   273.7   1'23.164   1.483 / 0.488
14   24   Toni ELIAS   SPA   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   280.2   1'23.201   1.520 / 0.037
15   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   280.2   1'23.248   1.567 / 0.047
16   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   279.1   1'23.320   1.639 / 0.072
17   50   Sylvain GUINTOLI   FRA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   273.8   1'24.707   3.026 / 1.387

Should be a good race, with anyone on the first two rows in with a chance of winning.
Stoner looks ominous, but you don't know, after last race an all. Pedrosa likes the place, the Yamahas are agile at the 'go-kart track and Simo is due.
Should be a good one.

Hayden must take some satisfaction out of qualifying better than Rossi.

I don't see any satisfaction in qualifying 8th on the grid, while watching your supremely talented teammate ride next years piece of crap chassis wrapped around an 800cc engine to last place.  No offense but Guintoli doesn't count.  There is no satisfaction from being consistantly bad on a factory bike and never in contention unless half the elite front runners crash out.

I'd be willing to bet that if Rossi just hopped on the Suzuki, he'd be consistantly better and in podium contention faster than the Duc.    [evil] [thumbsdown] [bang] >:(

I know Ducati would never admit it, but the CF experiment is a failure.

Bring back the trellis frame!

Wow!

i enjoyed that race  [thumbsup] [Dolph]

Stoner screwed up the second to last turn by taking a tight line.  It would have been the right move if Lorenzo wasn't so far back, which actually allowed him to carry more speed and get a better drive.  All Casey had to do was look back before taking that line and he woulda finished 2d.

I'd love to hear what happened between The Ben and Super Sic.  Looked like they were jawing at each other as they crossed the line.  That, or The Ben was telling him "I own you."

FTR, a Suzuki beat both factory Ducs, both of which are piloted by MotoGP World Champions.   :'(

Toby and Jules pointed a couple of times this weekend that there's something going on inside the team that no ones talking about....they called it "infighting"

The race was good.



But




I think this is a dark period for Motogp.  It's getting a little boring with only two manufacturers.  The third is having a few issues.  And it's the same three riders on the podium.  If it wasn't for the rain and Simoncelli, those three riders would be running away with it.  Kind of boring. 

Why does Suzuki bother with one bike?


The carbon fiber has way too many variables.  They'll never get it right.  The bugs in the steel trellis have been worked out a long time ago. 

...which makes their decision to base their new superbike on the CF frame all that much more interesting...

actually the new sbk frame is AL not CF... which should be maybe something the GP should try.

Where'd you read that? Everything I've seen indicates CF. And gear-driven cams ;D

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/February/feb1710-ducati-plans-gp-style-frameless-superbikes/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/February/feb1710-ducati-plans-gp-style-frameless-superbikes/)

omfg... my dvr messed up the recording...  now i have to wait till it gets online to watch  [bang] [bang] [bang]

sincerely thinking about getting a tivo now.  this time warner dvr messes up way too much.

Ah, thanks for the link. That was something I was wondering about: how would they make the CF/composite frame cheap enough to homologate. This seems to be their answer.

talk about bring up the rear. EVERY single ducati came in behind the single Suzuki and only had the two tech 3 Yahama's in the mix.

At least the 125 GP race was hot! Talk about a literal dead heat!! :o [clap]

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=45334 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=45334)

+1  anyone find a pic yet of Spies throwing a kick at Sic as he was about to cross the finish line??  I want it!   [evil]

Yeah. I was wondering "what dick move did supersic pull on the last lap to piss off Ben ?"  ;D

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/DrunkenMonkey_bucket/BenKick.png)

I'm pretty sure they said the new sbk would be aluminum for quite some time.  Besides, aluminum is a better material for this in my opinion and its what they should have been using on the GP bike instead of being exotic for the sake of being exotic.

This is a whole different interpretation on the "hanging the leg off the footpeg out in the breeze" MotoGP riding style! [laugh]

A great race.
Champioship is down to the wire. Some tracks will suit the Honda, some the Yamaha. Laguna will be a ripper, can't wait. Stoner and George with Nicky and the Texans fighting it out!

Go Bautista! Hope it encourages Suzuki to dive back in.

Here's what worries me: I've heard stories that folks racing the 1198 (at the club level) have been having issues with cracked engine cases at the frame mounting points.   [thumbsdown]

 Seems like Ducati don't quite have their shit together (lately) with the whole 'engine as a stressed member' thing. Seems to me they are overestimating the strength of their new "vacuum cast" cases and I can only see that getting worse with the new design.

Or maybe they are learning their lesson on the 1198 and they'll sort it out next year [fingerscrossed]

 

Best race of the season .......................so far   LS should be a cracker

I just don't know if Duc is heading in the right direction with the MotoGP team or the new SBK. Reminds me of the BMW WSBK team and their electronics package. :P We're doing it different no matter what, damned if it doesn't work! But we're doing it our way! [bang] Maybe they should buy one of the 10 Brittens and see how he did the frameless thing. :P Is it just me or don't you think some or all of the Jap teams would be all over this idea if their engineers thought it was a good one? When the Duc twins were kicking their asses in the 90s in WSBK and the rules were in Duc's favor guess what? RC51s and TL1000Rs showed up. Don't see them following Duc's lead here. [roll] If the race results were there they'd be all over this like stink. Glad all my Ducs are trellis framed bikes. ;D Thoughts?? Comments??

I don't know if we're going down a technical rathole here to try to explain things. There are so many other factors: the team could be in turmoil..the riders could be far less than 100%. Do I blame certain technical aspects of the bike? Sure. But Casey rode the wheels off that thing, doing far better last year than Vale's doing this year. Something else is going on here.

Something else going on for sure! I didn't expect any miracles from Rossi this year any more than I did from The Ben on the factory Yammyhammer. But damn. I feel Rossi is twice the rider that The Ben is (with all due respect to Spies) and this is all he can do? And why is Nicky doing so much better than Vale? I don't hear that much about Vale's physical condition any more. That's not being used as an excuse. Curious minds want to know... what's up? ???

Very good race...2 in a row now.  [thumbsup]

Moto2 was also very entertaining!  [thumbsup]

The Duc is a piece of shit.  [thumbsdown]

1) is nicky using the 2012 chassis?

2) rossi fell this weekend and aggravated his recently injured shoulder.

not according to Moody and Ryder.

The plan is for him to get it for Laguna.

Does he want it?

they're probably bringing 1 of each.  and yeah, putting the 800 in the GP12 seems to have put rossi right back to the drawing board.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/17/2011_sachsenring_motogp_sunday_roundup_g.html (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/17/2011_sachsenring_motogp_sunday_roundup_g.html)

2 seconds?!

Casey steers with the rear better than anyone in the field.  The Ducati has a good rear end, so it fit the bill for Stoner, although the crap front end was still a big enough problem that he crashed the bike pretty frequently.  I'm sure Stoner would probably podium the darn thing as it sits, but that doesn't make it a good bike.

this is also the GP11, not the GP10.  supposedly not that different but we also don't know how different it really is.  and the GP10 did throw stoner down on his ass quite a bit.

rossi and JB have been requesting changes since they got there; doesn't mean they're gonna work or that the baseline of the bike wasn't effed from day 1. 

One thing is for sure, you can't blame all of Vale's poor qualy and race results on Burgess not being there. With all due respect to Burgess and his wife's medical problems, I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned. But things were spiraling downward before JB left camp. But it is funny that Nicky is doing better than Rossi. Think he's just more used to the Duc's problems and can somehow try to ride around them? I just can't get over why they would drop the WSBK team and put all their efforts into this sinking boat. Yeah yeah, I know... Checa is the "factory" WSBK team in sheeps clothing. But I would have put my money into WSBK not MotoGP. I'd follow Kawasaki's lead. Screw MotoGP, we don't sell those bikes. We sell ZX-10Rs and that's what we race. ;D

Maybe, just maybe, he's not that good anymore. :O

*flame suit on*

Nice ride by Pedroboit, awesome ride by Lorenzo. Can't wait to hear what's Stoner's excusethis time

+1 Great rides by them for sure. This week I'm in Stoner's corner. No whining this time. He said he was just trying to not make the beast with two backs over his tires and make them last (un-like last race) and he just couldn't hang with the other aliens. No complaints, no blame. Man up time. [thumbsup] [beer]

I'm impressed, good on him. If he keeps this up he might win me back as a fan

I love Stoner on the track, he's awesome. So is Pedrobot. Holy shit did I just say that? [laugh] It's their off track personas I am not a big fan of. OK... I still don't like Pedrobot taking out Nicky in '06 on the track but I'll someday get over it. [laugh]

Still another good MotoGP race this weekend! Sad I have to make a big deal out of that. [bang] Hopefully they will continue. [thumbsup]

dude.  rossi is still rossi.  even finishing 9th he's still a 9-time world champ who's italian.  ducati is selling more bikes now because of him, guaranteed.

plus, he's rossi on the other hand too.  meaning, he doesn't give up very easily.  they'll get it sorted.

Steal the M1 that Rossi liked the best, put the Duc engine in the Yamaha frame, cover the frame with CF graphics, paint it all yellow and red, and go racing....  [popcorn]

As others have said, if this is a preview, the remaining races should be great to watch.  It was more like a WSBK or moto2 race as tight as the packs were.  Ducati should revive the screamer engine and at least give the boys a bullet in a straight line.  Who cares if it doesn't last the season, just take the engine penalty, start from the back of the grid and pass everybody  [Dolph]

comparing the avg speed at Assen this year

C. CHECA  168,199 km/h

V ROSSI  167.7 km/h

In fact, Checa with the WSBK 1198 would have finished 3rd in the Assen MotoGP race.

Yeah, I think Ducati has it backwards

also according to the announcers the 800 engine in the GP11.1 is the 1000 engine destroked to 800.

supposedly ducati couldn't make it all work with the current GP11 800 engine.

GP11 and all previous have had the swingarm pivot go through the cases, like everything since the Pantah, AFAIK.

GP12 swingarm pivot is not through the cases, so GP11 motor will not work with GP12 rear suspension parts.

Hence the destroked GP12, known as the GP11.1.

I think GP12.-1 is a more appropriate designation.  [laugh]

How does that factor into the engine count for the year?  I thought they had to have the engines sealed at the start of the season?

not at the start... in fact, the teams generally don't have the motors sealed until shortly before they need them because it leaves them open to engine improvements throughout the season.

As of the beginning of this month, Hayden has 4 GP11 engines sealed.
Leaving him 2 of GP11 or GP11.1 configuration for the rest of the season.

As of Assen, Rossi had 3 GP11 and 2 GP11.1 engines sealed.
Leaving him 1 of GP11 or GP11.1 configuration for the rest of the season.

They can both take more engines beyond that, but then have to start the race from the pit lane.
A likely situation, as we've only reached halfway in the season.

I assume it's one pit lane race start for *each* engine taken.

Thanks for the info on the engines  [thumbsup]

 [evil] Might be interesting to see Sic start a race from pit lane  ;D

Finally got 'round to watching the race.

Reasonably decent racing. Very nearly interesting, at times.

finally got around to watching it, and that was my first thought...


mitt

that is f'd up!


mitt

Someone else said take Rossi's M1 and turn it into a duc.  If you notice the GP12 -.1 is starting to look like a M1 IMO.  The swing arm is the obvious difference.  They finally went chain through the bottom of the swingarm like Yamaha and Honda are doing.  Nicky's bike still has the chain through the top, and the "mud guard" integrated into the swingarm.


mitt