Ducati Monster Forum

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I guess somewhere between the lines it reads: the newbikes based on the new 1199 engine is going to be so expensive it opens a gap somewhere between the M1100/SF1199/SBK849/SBK1198  ;D

I'd like to see that happen. I miss the SS and ST bikes from the line up.

mmm loving that rumor.

IF this is true and I can talk the wife into one in a couple of years... oh man oh man

If they do it I hope they use frame from the 848 though and not based on the Monster. I think an 1100 2V motor in the 848 frame would strike the ideal balance between road and track bike. [Dolph]

it would make more sense than the Monster frame.
the current superbike frame and suspension, the 1100 motor bumped up some cc and hp, and maybe a 900 version :D

:D

The sketch looks good - but they gotta lose that garbage-can exhaust  :o

that's how they boost termi sales!

i find the sketch a bit hideous though... that front fairing doesnt flow in terms of lines for me at all.

I'm not keen on the pictured concept, but I would love an air-cooled superbike.

The girl is way more attractive than that bike.

Ducati has almost always had an "SS" model.  It would be bizarre if they did not come out with a new one.

The bike pictured would be great.

I don't know.  I like this

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Moto/011209top.jpg)

better than this

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Ducati-Supersport-Luca-Bar-Design-girl.jpg)

+1

first pic ftw

ftmftypiatw?

ummm...ok?

ForTheMothermake the beast with two backsingThrowYourPantsInATreeWin.

[bow_down]

If they want to sell them as supersports, they will do exactly what they did with the 1098, which was go back to what they know sold well -- which was to drop the 999's design and start with the 916/996/998 look and update it.

Likewise, the second bike looks a LOT more like this bike:

(http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/415039798_51e959a866_o.jpg)

The first bike just looks like yet another SBK design

I agree with Ducatiz except for one thing, the 999 is beautiful IMO.  what's wrong with a Cedici nose/body work to start with anyway? [beer] [beer] [beer] [beer] [beer]
oh and does the model come with?  ;D

The exhaust in the picture does need some help. Plate hanger, too.

Which is why it looks believable. :P

It even has the cartoonish looking trellis that someone at Ducati seems to favor.

I agree 100%!

If its priced to move, I think either would work. 

While I would love to see a lighweight supersport using the 1100 evo motor and a SBK frame, I was told it isn't going to happen by Dave R.  :'(

it definitely needs some sort of lower faring to complete teh look the whole half faring look, looks.. well half done.

naahhh

(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-KYGKEVIP.jpg)

maybe throw some gauges on the 1100 and it wouldn't look so silly. I like the less is more idea.
The 1000 looks beautiful, the exhaust is a little impractical and I can't imaging the OG trellis will make a comback.

A thought: Ducati produces an 1100 or 1200 SS/ST with a wet clutch that does double-duty (albeit not as well as a dedicated bike of either flavor).

Why? Because the people who will buy an ST probably don't feel they need 11ty billion horsepower, and there aren't enough people with a raging hard-on for an air-cooled sport bike to justify a pure version (the reason it got canned in the first place). Maybe with hard bags, ABS, etc. as options.

The SS was ended in 05 because the new design was unpopular and the racing class of the same name had bikes with significantly more output.

the 848 should have been an SS. 

seems to me that Ducati is missing out on a lot by not having a bike for that named class of racing.

it would be very interesting to see a 600cc class water cooled 4 valve. I think you'd be looking at about 80-85 hp and if you did it with a superlight bike.. well..

I have a raging hard-on for an ST2, but I'm poorer than a church mouse. Well, a church mouse with an entry level Ducati.
Practicle ain't proftable.

Or they could decide to keep the 1199 as the pure SBK, produce a 1100 2V SS and see of it's (commercially) good enough the replace the 848 all together. The 848 is a bit too successful I think, in the sense that it cost probably almost as much as an 1199 at a lower selling price. A cheaper to produce 1100SS to replace the 848 would solve that. Heck if it doesn't work out they can always later still produce a 849. Given that the 1199 is the most expensive bike to develop Ducati has made up till now, I think this line of thought makes sense.

i've seen ST2s go for as little as 3 bills on craigslist.  plenty of them on CL nowadays.

The 848 currently races against 600cc I4s in the supersport class (Daytona Sportbike according to DMG). What would a 600 cc water cooled twin race against?

i think after the way they are doing, they may not allow the 848 in the class again. it used to be the 600cc I4 vs the 750 V2, I am surprised they finally let the extra 100 cc's in.

I'm also surprised the 848 was allowed in with 600cc I4s.

Ducati's decision to totally disregard class rules (at the time, and still in WSS) always struck me as an acknowledgement that the 748/749 hadn't really been competitive. Like a kid taking his ball home because he's not winning the game.

ya - they are rare as rocking-horse shit in these parts, - haven't got the gumption (or cash)for a fly and ride (yet). I'd want to confirm it'll be comfy for the Mrs on weekend jaunts.

i MEANT to say a 600 cc class, and I was thinking a quatrovalvole version of the 696 engine, but I guess that's really a 700cc class.

Any idea why Ducati doesn't do a 4-valve air cooled motor...ala BMW or Guzzi? Is it a heat issue with the vertical cylinder? Seems they could get some more HP out of it that way.  ???

It's a good question.  I know they tried out the desmotre head on an aircooled monster.  Seems they could figure something out, but maybe it goes in line with the desmodue = simple idea?

I'd like to be able to rig up desmotre heads onto the SC when the day comes that I put high-comps in it.  I think that, combined with a modest displacement boost would be down-right silly.

ST3 heads are water-cooled, right?

And after this thought, I had a momentary pipe-dream about casting finned, air-cooled versions. Which sounds ridiculously intensive and/or expensive.

ST3 heads are, yes. 

thdre was that tre monster that was for sale in fran e last year it was air cooled

Yep.  Extremely low production (might not have ever truly made it past prototype stage) 3 valve, air cooled monster.

Most likely, yes, it's the heat in the exhaust side of the vertical cylinder.
Ian Falloon's "The Ducati Story" book has pics of prototype 4V air cooled heads.


One of my customers got one of those.
With ~$1500 in parts and labor added it's a really nice ride.