My bike has been sitting in a garage for over ahlf a year, this wasn't planned so no prep work ahs been done.
What should I do to get her back to road worthyness....or start for that matter!
I have changed the battery as this was overdue and have done a spot of Googe'in and established that what fuel is in the tank no doubt has water in it by now and should be drained and replaced? along with the spark plugs??
It turns on, dials spin round, sounds like the fuel pump starts up and then ticks over but fails to start.
Suggestions?
If you got new battery and drain fuel and put fresh gas- start it, see how it runs and go from there...
Ok so I have lifted the tank and found the following:
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but how do I actually get what is left of the fuel out?? I have checked the manual, FAQ's and Google but cant find instructions on how to actually get any remaining fuel out the tank??
I use a cheap siphon.
You can also turn the tank upside down.
Go to your local auto/moto shop and pick up a (hand) fuel pump. Just pump it out into a can. You can't really drain it via the hookups on the bottom.
Plugs are probably fine - but they are cheap so it's no big loss if you replace them.
Other things to plan on - once it fires.
- An oil change
- Some Sea Foam/BG 44k/Techron for the next couple tanks of gas
- While you're doing maintenance work, a flush of the brakes and clutch can't hurt.
- Ensure your tires are aired up and don't have flat spots from sitting.
- Clean the chain and lube the chain. Inspect if for kinks or frozen links.
Ok so I have spent the last day looking for the screw to drain the fuel in the float bowls........still cant find it...Help.
Look on the right side towards the rear of the engine. You will see two plastic tubes. Those tubes attach to the float drains. Follow them up to the carbs. You will see a screw with (I think) an 8mm hex head where each tube attaches to the carbs. Loosen these a turn or two and the float bowls will drain.
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] You have a fuel injected bike, NO FLOAT BOWLS [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
To prevent Howie from hurting himself - it's always a good idea to mention the year and model of the bike... Your forum name is a good hint (ahem) but not everyone looks at that.
Quote from: Sad Panda on August 03, 2011, 06:06:29 AM
To prevent Howie from hurting himself - it's always a good idea to mention the year and model of the bike... Your forum name is a good hint (ahem) but not everyone looks at that.
Besides 620dark's name the initial post mentions some key words, like "dials spin" and "sounds like the fuel pump starts up". That is the cause of the head banging. 620dark is innocent.
I'm glad we are all agreed that I'm not at fault [thumbsup]
On a scale of 1-10 of mechanical handiness I would be somewhere around a 1 with the right guidance....
Sooo I have injectors and no bowls!? I assume that I would have crap fuel in the injectors? So do I need to take the return fuel line off and the pump will pump the crap fuel into a bucket?
So would a few litres of fresh fuel and a jump from my car to be enough to dilute the crap fuel and get it started??
The fuel light is on so there isn't much there at the moment
Er, Howie doesn't think you will find it on a machine with fuel injection like the 620.
Change the filter, put fresh gas in it, maybe add some Sea Foam or Techron (not too much, follow the directions), pray to the motorcycle gods, then [Dolph]. Chances are the injectors are fine and there is no way for you to flush them.
Howie, if they do not clean well with Techron, I've read the injectors can be shipped to cleaning stations that use special fluids and ultrasound. Apparently it is big business with diesels, and reasonably priced.
The stuff I list is about a 1 maybe a 2 on the tech scale. Now removing the injectors goes up a few notches.
If you jump the bike be sure the car is NOT running. A running auto will provide more juice than you need and can cause damage. An auto battery in a non running auto will provide plenty of power to turn over a bike.
Drain as much old gas as you can. Add some detergent agent (the Sea Foam or Techron) add some new gas and give it a whirl. It'll probably fire up pretty quickly.
I resurrected a Yamaha and a honda that had been sitting way longer with a fresh battery and some new gas. Didn't even drain the old stuff. Now they ran like poo at first... but the sit wasn't a death sentence by a long shot.
Quote from: battlecry on August 04, 2011, 06:17:00 AM
Howie, if they do not clean well with Techron, I've read the injectors can be shipped to cleaning stations that use special fluids and ultrasound. Apparently it is big business with diesels, and reasonably priced.
Yes you can, but I would get it running first. More than likely the injectors are fine since they are not open to the atmosphere and protected by the filter
Got some fresh petrol in it yesterday, turned it over a few times..still no life. I've added Techron to this weekends shopping list so fingers crossed by Monday she'll be signing again.
If your bike has been using E10 (10% alcohol) open the cap and look for bubbles in the fuel when the pump primes. You might have loose or cracked fuel hoses. If so, you must replace with SAE 30R10 fuel hose.
I've never used E10, 91 was the minimum as I heard some bikes don't like 98 for some reason...
Im guessing that bubbles are a sign of dodgy fuel hoses regardless of the fuel used? I'll get the fuel additive, check the fuses, look for bubbles and try again over the weekend.
Massively thankful for the hints and tips, I really want to get it started without the help of a mechanic.
Quote from: 620dark on August 05, 2011, 02:16:12 AM
I've never used E10, 91 was the minimum as I heard some bikes don't like 98 for some reason...
Never used E10? How's that even possible in this age? I can't find a pump that doesn't have E10.
What's the 91 and 98 you're referring to?
Quote from: Sad Panda on August 05, 2011, 05:16:08 AM
Never used E10? How's that even possible in this age? I can't find a pump that doesn't have E10.
What's the 91 and 98 you're referring to?
The octane rating of gasoline is measured in a test engine, and is defined by comparison with the mixture of 2,2,4-trimethylpentane (iso-octane) and heptane which would have the same anti-knocking capacity as the fuel under test: the percentage, by volume, of 2,2,4-trimethylpentane in that mixture is the octane number of the fuel. For example, petrol with the same knocking characteristics as a mixture of 90% iso-octane and 10% heptane would have an octane rating of 90.[1] This does not mean that the petrol contains just iso-octane and heptane in these proportions, but that it has the same detonation resistance properties. Because some fuels are more knock-resistant than iso-octane, the definition has been extended to allow for octane numbers higher than 100.
95/98 Ron fuels are basically a bit better quality than 91 Ron or E10 which has a 10% ethanol.
So, is it basically the "racing" fuel I see around here? I think it's called CAM 2.
The ethanol blend and octane rating aren't directly attached. Withing a couple hundred miles of me (on the east coast of the US), every pump I've visited has a lovely sticker plastered to it saying that the gas is E10, regardless of the octane rating. So don't assume that a given octane rating correlates to the percentage of ethanol in the gas blend.
Do you live in an area where ethanol free gas is available? If so, lucky you. That's not an option here.
Also, higher octane doesn't mean better for all engines. Running high octane fuels in a lower temp lower compression engine, like a circa 2000 air cooled Ducati, can lead to increased tail-tipe hydrocarbons from unburnt fuel. For older bikes like yours or mine premium fuels for regular use are waste of cash
I'm in Oz, our pumps have a choice of 91, 95, 98 in some places or an E10 blend. I run my car (Audi s3) on 98 and the bike on 91/95 as I had heard similar stories that my bike isn't a fan of 95+.
IT LIVES!!!!
Just wanted to thank everyone for the assistance, running like a dream after new fuel, plugs, battery, oil and filter.
I think she could do with a tune so got it booked into the local garage once I've run all the bad fuel through all the lines.
Cheers