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This was taken from my local forum: PNWriders.  Thank you Slygrin!

"I just picked up a GoPro HD camera, so I stuck it on the front of the Breva and took it out for a test run. I met up with the wife for lunch and thought I had turned the camera off, but didn't press the button long enough. So while we were inside having lunch a couple of guys stopped by and checked out the bike. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time."

Moto Guzzi (and Ducati) owners will appreciate this one.

Turn up the volume a bit, the very beginning is a little hard to hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPM_hvkVaF4

"MADE ... IN.... ITALY!  There ya go, that told tha story, that'sa dago bike!"

LOLL!!

The hand gestures at 0:40 are rather priceless.

You'd think they had never seen a shaft drive bike before...

he went to a lot of frat parties

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap]

Oh shit!  Theres my dose of comedy for the day!  LMAO!!   [clap]

Funny.   [clap]

But it's also awesome.  I like when dudes who don't know anything about a certain brand of bike are interested in how it's put together.  I do that same thing--albeit with a different accent--when I come across a new-to-me type of bike . 

WTH is a dago bike?

"That's right R2.... we're going to the Dagobah System..."
(http://www.starwarshelmets.com/2009/ESB_Luke_Hero_XWing.jpg)

That's great!   :D



[bacon]

Priceless  [clap]

DAGO is an old derogatory term for Italians.  Either that or "wop."

Both have declined into humor due to age.

Someone needs to watch The Untouchables.   [thumbsup]

hahaha @ :28 while these two ass backward yokles are trying to pronounce the name of the bike, Cletus decides he needs to comb his hair.  Awesomeness!

This is like something you see on TV.  Since when did Italy start exporting those new fangled motobikes?

Try being named Vinny, from New Jersey... in Louisiana.  I can assure you that neither word has "declined into humor."

are you eyetalian? 

   

HOLY CRAP, that's funny!!!

It's so off the wall it looks staged.  Dago bike...  [bang] [laugh]

my point was really that it's not all that offensive anymore..  unlike other ethnic slurs..i.e. the "N" word, etc

and my point was that in certain situations it is still offensive... 

I'm guessing that your decision to not answer my question confirms that you are not a dago, but I'm glad that owning a bunch of Italian bikes makes you an authority on the subject  [thumbsup]

nope, i am not italian.  but i do have references:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dago (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dago)


However, unless a person was born in Italy, they aren't Italian, Jersey Shore notwithstanding.  "Italian" is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality. Those folks in Jersey who call themselves Italians are no more Italian than (former Secretary of Defense) William Cohen is Jewish.

and yes besides owning a bunch of Italian bikes, Io parlo italiano, and we've spend fall in Sardegna for the last 11 years.

The thread on my local forum also went into discussion about the slur.

Again taken from the local forum:

Slur = not funny.
Rest of the Video = funny.

Moving on.

People can be offended by whatever they want to.

I don't use the term for any reason, I learned plenty of slang in Italian which is far more effective.

E 'un mucchio di cazzata per mio..  So stop breaking my cogliones...

[popcorn]

he's lucky a seagull didnt come along and steal his gopro

and no.... it's not a mexican seagull

CLASSIC!! 

This discussion is almost as funny as the video.
I profess that I am an authority on this matter.  Although not eyetalian in any genealogical way; I married a one.  I love pasta, red sauce, braciole, and a good guinea red.  All my friends are eyetalian.  I own a fine Italian sport bike and used to own a Lancia.  Last but not least, I have to put up with all my Brooklyn guinea in-laws poking fun at my Irish/German heritage.  We all have fun with it though.  So all you dago, guinea, wop, greaseball, ginzos can put your pride in your pocket and laugh with us drunk, potato lovin krauts.  
[beer]

By the way, if owing a bunch of Italian bikes doesn't make you an authority on something, then its just plain cool. [thumbsup]

a wiki reference with [citation needed] at the end = weak sauce

I bet you have brown eyes...   [roll]

 

i'm pretty sure everyone on this forum has a brown eye...

the cite needed was for the second bullet.

you can be upset if you want to, you have my permission.  if you need a hanky, shoot me your address and i'll get you one.  no hard feelings.

I like it.  It reminds me of what you would see a couple old farmers doing and saying around here.  They like mechanical stuff, and need to study anything they don't know about.


mitt

Is that a tactic they taught you in law school?  To make arguments that are irrelevant to the matter at hand then call to question my emotional state to hide your defeat? 

Fact is you are wrong.  Reread your link- Etymology 2

What does the fact that "the sense has become less pejorative in recent years, with people of Spanish or Portuguese origin" have to do with people of "Italian descent?" 

Lawyered by a punk kid on the interwebz...   :-*

Brush up on your reading comp skills  ;)

no need for a hanky I just use my shirt...

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Well played

Vindingo I have nothing against you wanting to think what you want to.  I have observed the term "dago" to no longer be offensive and you believe it still is.  I promise not to call you one.  The whole thing was brought up by the fellows in the video using it.

That's all I have to say, I'm going over to my "hairpiece" thread

Ducatiz...

While you may have "observed" the term to no longer be offensive, to those of us who are of Italian descent it still is.

You can observe all you want, but since you're not the one the slur is being directed at, you have no real understanding of what it's like.

The word "Kraut" or "Jap" or "Chink" might not seem like a big deal, but I doubt someone of German, Japanese, or Chinese origin would take very kindly to be called that. 

Vindingo, myself, and possibly other forum members find it offensive. 

That should be enough of a reason for you to drop your argument.


[bacon]

I'll have a tissue with a side of bacon please. [cheeky]

IBTL? 

Yet another thread taking a turn towards suckage.  [thumbsup] [bang]

Only thing missing at this point is the "Gear Police"  

 [roll]

FWIW

Video was from an acquaintance on Wildguzzi (that's where he first posted it).

This first generation Irish-American and second-generation Italian-American could give two craps about the terms Mic or Dago or Wop or whatever.

I don't personally believe they were ever as bad as "N"

I say get over it, be proud of who you are and don't worry about the labels others put on it.

And honestly, IF you are going to bother handing the power over to someone else about how YOU feel, then AT LEAST give some thought to how THEY MEAN IT - i.e. do they MEAN offense, was it supposed to be pejorative, or are they just modern day Archie Bunkers?

I find it interesting to note that no-one at Wildguzzi (and there are a lot of Italian-Americans there) seemed to be offended.

I guess I should clarify then...

While I don't like the term "Dago", I understand that the men in the vid probably grew up using that terminology, and most likely aren't using it to be degrading.  In a different context it would be more offensive.

What I do have a problem with, is someone telling me that the word has decended into humor, or that people don't find it offensive anymore.

If someone says, "Hey, I'm offended by that", no matter what they're offended by, the other person should just say, "oops, my bad" and not feel the need to defend their position with unsubstantiated Wiki quotes and name calling. 

Someone said that they found it offensive.  The other person should have just dropped it. 


[bacon]

Well, personally I think it HAS devolved into humor.

And I still think people who get offended by it should GET OVER IT. That's MY opinion and you can feel free to disagree (which I ASSume/drink  [drink] that you will).

Truthfully there are so many more things in the world to worry about than ethnic terms and some people just seem to go out of their way to find offense, so I'm a little numb to it.

Of course, I also have a zero tolerence policy on zero tolerence  [laugh]

BTW Bacon ROCKS - someday I will put a pound of bacon in our food processor and make a 1 lbs bacon cheeseburger out of BACON...  [drool]

Really funny video  [laugh] 

And for those getting all up in arms about the word Dago you all need to take a chill pill.  I'm 100% German and have been jokingly called a Nazi on numerous occasions but I don't sit there and puff my chest out and let it get to me.  Take it in stride and move on it is not a big deal there are much bigger problems in life besides the words coming out of someones mouth.

Those guys are too funny, again I was dieing  :D

Oh, the irony.

IBTL

and i have to agree with bacon junkie on this.  if it offends someone, just drop it and everyone can be on their merry way.

and kev, thats a pretty self centered way of looking at the world.  you seem to state that just because it's a ethnic slur people should get over it because it doesnt bother you.  on the other hand, that should mean that if someone else said something about say your wife, family e.g. (and i dont mean this in anyway, this is pure example) if someone on this board said your wife was a whore, your daughter a slut and then found it funny and that really offended you, you should "GET OVER IT" because it didnt bother them.

in general, i find that people who brush aside ethnic comments tend to be those that mostly have not ever had those comments used upon them in anger and to truly degrade/insult the target in question.

all that being said, the video is still funny, but arguments over ethnic comments arent :\

Wow... this thread has really gone downhill.

I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion. I grew up in the US being called jap, nip, chink, chew wang, and various derogatory derivatives (and yes, got into a LOT of fist fights as a result). When I was ten years old, those racial slurs hurt my feelings... but I have since grown up.

I'll push it down a little more.

(http://www.gifsoup.com/view7/2925131/moto-guzzy-o.gif)

So can we all just agree to disagree on the relative appropriateness of ethnic slurs? [roll]

Yeah. C'mon guys, I thought this thread was about the redneck hillbillies in the video.    ;)

Careful.  You might offend the one redneck hillbilly Ducati owner on these boards. [laugh]

Ah, there is hillbillypolack...

That was pretty much my only gripe, but some people can never be wrong. 

Kev M & ManaloEA - You both own new/fake monsters, your opinions don't really count.  :P

I knew someone would find one.  And he's a Polack to boot. Ooops! :-X

Double whammy

 [cheeky]

I only know cux he is near me.

You are calling me a noob? I find that offensive. :P :P 

I am assuming that you are saying this in jest. Because you (being a caucasian) have no idea what it is like to live with racial slurs in America. You can hide, whereas others who have non-American physical features, cannot. So have a cold one on me, and I will join you. [drink]

obviously in jest...

but your assumption is wrong.  I was 1 of 8 white boys in my middle school and high school class.  I can assure you it was pretty hard to hide in a sea of brothers.  I'm not sure why you think white people can't be the victims of racism.
 
What is an American physical feature?   ;)
(http://www.lsa.umich.edu/psych/diversity/images/diversity.jpg)     


I'm still hung over from last sat. but maybe a little hair of the dog could help  [beer]

Hangover is no excuse. Don't be a quitter!  [cheeky] Just kidding.

But seriously, when it comes to living with racial issues, being caucasian does not carry a whole lot of stigma, other than being a hater. While you personally may have been in the minority, unless you dressed like and acted like trailer park trash, you were not equated with the problems of society. When I was growing up, it was around the end of the US involvement in Vietnam, so there was a lot of anti oh-wry-ennal sentiment, and people would blame me (a three year old kid) for thing that happened to someone they knew. African Americans were blamed for the decline of society and for poverty in the south. Today asians are still hated by most Americans, but not to their faces. The term "made in China" has a negative connotation regardless whether a product has good quality or not. And the thing is that there is no escape. I hear the same made in China stuff all over the country. And while I am not Chinese (nor Japanese, nor Korean, nor Taiwanese), I am still dragged into that stereotype mercilessly by "lesser civilized" people. There is no escape, other than an attitude adjustment on my part.

So, please don't try to equate being in the numeric minority to living with stigma. The pressures are very different. It is one thing to be castigated for looking different, it is entirely different to be hated for being who you are.

btw - Great "diversity" picture. I've had to sit through many sessions where we are supposed to embrace the African American and Latino (Central and Southern American) cultures. But I was never allowed to share anything about my Asian heritage... because diversity is not about Asians, it's only about certain "minority" groups.

One that has a a green card and files a 1040.  Not quite physical but its good feature to start with.  [laugh]

What state are these rednecks from? It looks like something from heehaw.
My mother-in-law is an Okie and she says eyetalian.
We live in an area that has a large Mexican population and when we first moved here, we asked our neighbor for a restaurant recommendation. He asked, "do you like Spanish food?"
He didn't mean Spanish, he meant Mexican - somehow he thought saying Mexican was some kind of slur.

Hey....what the.....son of a.... :D

V, something that I think is important to point out. How many Asians can you pick out of the crowd in your picture. How many African Americans can you pick out? How many Italians can you pick out?

Hmm... hard to say. Like I said before, certain ethic groups can hide in a crowd.

I'm with you on this.  They came across something they'd never seen before and spent the time and energy to check it out and figure out how it worked. 

Well, I completely understand you are trying to make a point, so if I may continue this mature/responsible discussion of the issue.

Self-centered way of looking at it? Arguably so, as it is MY opinion how I believe others should act/feel.

But again, let’s assume your statements about my wife and daughter were meant in anger. I’m no saint and I might very well let them get to me and retaliate in some way. HOWEVER, 2 things about that.

1. The second I do that I give YOU the power over MY feelings. And as much as I have fallen in to that trap in my life, I recognize it’s ape-stupid. Unless you are going are going to act on such things threatening the well being of my family, then it’s really honestly of no consequence how YOU feel about them.

And maybe more importantly

2. I find your analogy somewhat off base. There is, I believe, a huge difference in the attack on ONE PERSON’S character or reputation vs. an obviously flawed generalization regarding a race or culture. But more importantly, words like “Dago” or “Wop” or “Mic”, hell even words like “N” don’t actually have any tangible meaning other than “said person is part of a given ethnic group” and possibly (more probably with some words than others) the user means “I don’t like said ethnic group”.

Now it’s that last point that I am finding in dispute. I.E. I find that “Dago” or “Wop” has long lost any significant/general use of “hate”. I find this anecdotally from my own experience, and from references made in pop culture (be it comedians or movies or TV).

BUT – and this is a huge BUT – EVEN IF USED in hate/anger, see point #1 and remember that the person doing so is simply proving themselves an asshole. Hate really is a wasted emotion and someone who finds it necessary to hate an entire race or ethnicity is really a complete moron. So why care what they mean.

And if it ISN’T meant in hate, but is really just being used either comedically or just out of ignorance that the user doesn’t know or think of a better term for “Italians” then again, see #1, why give a crap?


OK

Now you see, I completely understood this was comedy.

However, if I thought he was serious, see #1.

Life is good, ride more and worry less.

You need to spend more time in the hood.  I bet you didn't know that it is my fault for the high crime rates in the ghetto, rampant heart disease and diabetes in the black community, persecution and enslavement of their ancestors for 300 years... all despite the fact that my family came here in 1958.  There was also a theory out there that we (gringos) may have caused hurricane Katrina.  [roll]  

You are crazy if you think there is no stigma.      

I'd be happy to talk to you about it in person or through PM, but on the internet much is lost in words.  


  

Anyone who rides without a $700 carbon fiber codpiece is a total moron who doesn't care about future generations of squids...  [roll]










































fixed it.  ;D

Sorry... only lived in downtown Philly and attended a Gospel Church for years, so I guess I wouldn't know about the hood. Now this Katrina thing really intrigues me, since that was a recent storm. How does being of Italian descent play in to that? Admittedly, there is always misplaced resentment (just like Asians stealing American manufacturing jobs, Asians stealing Tech sector jobs, Asians taking the best jobs i.e. doctors and lawyers, limits for Asian enrollment at UCLA because Asians are over-represented, etc) , but as I stated in a previous post, the only real resolution is adjust how you feel to that misdirected blame because obviously there is nothing you can personally do about the weather.

I blame the Jews.    ;D

Thats the spirit.

But a Jew would probably know what a Guzzi was.  [laugh]

As a Guzzi rider and an honorary Jew (only goyum in my NY neighborhood growing up) I can tell you that ALL Guzzi riders got a little Jew in em! GAWD us Guzzi guys are CHEAP!

Hell, Italians and Jews are more similar than most think.

Only one difference.

When your mom thinks you're gonna do something she doesn't want you do to she says:

"Do that and I'm going to kill myself" if she's Jewish.

or


"Do-ah that, anda I'mma gonna Kiilla you" If she's Italian.


After that they're pretty much the same - one calls it a Knish, the other Torta....I'm still trying to figure out the Italian version of Kugel though?

Only thing worse than a jew is a jew lawyer!  ;D

we all know its the make the beast with two backsing prawns...

hey kev,

i understand your points and i agree with them, but the example i was trying to provide wasn't meant to be one said in anger/insult.  i was trying to point out that if someone made a comment, whether concerning ethnicity/family/personal or w/e, in a joking tone that offended someone, then that person has every right to be offended whether the tone was meant to be humorous or not.  subject matter is pretty irrelevant to the outcome.

your previous statements seemed to infer that as long as you found it funny, then why should anyone else be insulted?  i'm sure sometime in your life someone has made a comment that hit that perfect combination of whatever you get annoyed by and got you royally po'ed... even if that comment was meant to be a joke.  and if you haven't... then you're a way way better man than i am ;)  and at that point, if that guy/girl told you to man up and get over it because it didnt bother them, i'm pretty sure it wouldnt at all make the situation better.

basically what i'm trying to say here is that as long as it annoys someone else... why bother propagating it?  why not simply accept that it annoys someone and then just stop doing it?  that seems to be the option to choose which would make everyone happy, not just the guy that isnt bothered by the topic at hand.

btw, i'll stop on this topic to stop cluttering up the thread, it's been threadjacked enough... haha, pm me if you want to continue.

Fair enough, so my final comment on the matter will be to answer your question.

Why bother? Because there are far too many oversensitive pansies in this world that if an insensitive guy like myself tried to truly never offend anyone I'd be too preoccupied to get anything else done.  ;)


In other words, it's a matter of degree and sometimes my answer is "suck it up buttercup". Though it should be noted I say that to myself frequently as well.

RIDE SAFE ALL