Hey guys, I am furious right now. I took my nike to get its first service to FBF at exactly 621 miles. I have put on another 650 since then, but today I was riding and I was stop for a few minutes and it started to get really hot.
I check my air temp gauge it it read 106F. My air temp has never worked properly, but as I keep watching it keep rising. All the way up to 124F until it read -- -- -- F. I turned of my nike for a bit, but I had to get home. The oil temp read 5 - 6 bars. When I got home I looked and didn't see any oil.
I'm wondering if I did any damage to my bike. If I did I'm taking it to the place I got if from (and where the service was done) and having them replace the bike. below is a pic of my oil window when i got home. Any idea of how to tell if my bike is trashed. It seems ok, but not running exactly like it did. I thought it was just the bike breaking in, not breaking down.
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That looks like oil on the sight glass. It should be between the two lines, when measured with the bike cold and upright. Check the level again after the bike cools.
Also, how long were you stopped and idling? What's the temperature where you live at the moment? It's been hot as hell here and my 998 will absolutely cook itself at a long light.
That looks over full to me.
But if the engine is stone cold and leaned to the right... could be just fine.
Was the bike warmed up, but not running, and vertical when you took that picture?
If you tilt it to the left side, you should see the oil level come down into the window.
It's 79 F tonight and I assure you that is not oil. There was zero liquid moving in there. I'm worried because it looks like smoke residue or residue from something burning. It looks like a cigarette butt after its been smoked.
I second the observation that it's overfilled with oil. Swimming in oil. I've been tricked by that a couple times. Tilt the bike to the left until you see an air bubble to confirm.
looks like oil to me too... straighten up the bike and check the oil again like everyone else here said.
Alright guys I'll give it a shot. I checked the oil earlier today and it barley crossed the bottom line. I don't see how I can go from having barley enough to an abundance and If I had too much in there how would that cause the bike to overheat like that? I'll check the bike and derby in a bit
I just got done checking out everything. It has been an hour since I put my bike away and it is still hot to the touch. I don't know how normal that is but here are some follow up pics.
The first pic is with the bike leaning on the kickstand.
Second is the bike vertical.
Last two are of the bottom.
As I said before the first pic in this post was taken the same way the second pic in this reply was taken. The bike was vertical. I know some people are morons, but I know how to level the bike to get the proper oil reading.
Let me know what you think the problem might be.
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Correction: I meant to post the last pic second.
I was just thinking that the first pic might be full of oil. Could the heat have gotten so hot that the oil expanded and filled up the entire window? Even if that was the case what made the bike that hot? I was only at a stand still for 5 mins at the most.
You won't be gaining that much actual oil volume from heat, but it does slosh around quite a bit when the bike runs. Gets on everything (as it's supposed to), and takes a while to fully settle back into the sump.
And five minutes is a long time to sit, really. I don't think you mentioned what engine you have. If you're air-cooled, whenever you're sitting you're getting essentially no cooling to the engine at all.
For the time being, I'd assume that nothing terrible has happened to the motor. Let it sit overnight, and see how it feels when you ride it again. I remember having to navigate terrible, walking-pace traffic with my M900 at one time, and it got hot enough that I could smell the motor and it didn't feel right, but it ran fine after cooling off again.
Edit: And if your bike is water-cooled, I'm not sure how well they cool off at a stand-still. My 998 would torch itself sitting for five minutes and idling.
Its a 2011 696 so its air cooled. I didn't think that being at a stand still for 5 mins would have that bad an effect on the bike. Live an learn .
I wish they still used numbers for oil temp instead of "bars" (kinda like I wish the duc had a dipstick like my old dirtbikes had instead of a sight window) Seriously, what would society have been like if we all went around saying "Man, the mercury has hit 4 bars today! I'm make the beast with two backsing frying!" I've seen the oil temp on my s2r in the 220-230 range before, and it has an oil cooler on it.
Depending on what the actual outside air temp was, it could certainly happen to you too (especially with no oil cooler). Were you riding in town? Pretty slow, stop and go pace? Good chance you just got a little warm and there's nothing wrong with it.
Here are your numbers:
Display indications:
- if the temperature is between -40°C and +80°C the
display shows “STATUS 2â€;
- if the temperature is between +81°C and +110°C the
display shows “STATUS 3â€;
- if the temperature is between +111°C and +135°C the
display shows “STATUS 4â€;
if the temperature is between +136°C and +160°C the
display shows “STATUS 5â€;
- if the temperature is between +161°C and +175°C the
display shows “STATUS 6â€;
- if the temperature is between +176°C and +190°C the
display shows “STATUS 7â€;
fig
if the temperature is between +191°C and +200°C the
display shows “STATUS 8â€;
- if the temperature is ≥201 °C the display shows
“STATUS 9†with the series of flashing marks;
- In case of sensor FAULT, “STATE 1†is displayed
flashing.
Status 9 is overheating. The temperatures are so high because the sensor is in the cylinder, not the sump.
and dont forget that during the break in period, you're going to see higher temps till the bike wears in. it should still be a bit tight till around 2000 miles i would say.
also, the air temp sensor on the 696 is notoriously inaccurate. they even disabled it on the 796 and i think on the 1100 too. just go by the oil temp bars and 5-6 will be seen on a 696 with no oil cooler.
The photo of the underside shows oil weeping, could be the filter hasn't been snugged up correctly, or the mechanic didn't bother to give things a wipe down after the install.
I would wipe the area squeaky clean and see if there's any more oil around after next ride.
Pick up a cheap spirit level and put it on the gas tank filler cap to balance the bike correctly for oil level checking.
your bike has oil.
That oil level looks normal to me.
there is oil in the bike when its on the sidestand it won't show any oil in the sight glass, you have to have the bike almost perfectly vertical to see anything in the sightglass.
they put to the bottom line, now if the bike was cold and its at the bottom line you are fine, personally when cold i fill the bike so that its perfectly between the top and bottom line dead cold, that way when the oil heats up it goes to the the top line and when shut off it usually goes to the bottom line since someof the oil sometimes is caught up in the oil cooler or the heads, a little.