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Title: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 04:57:46 AM 1pm times: http://www.motomatters.com/results/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_1pm_times_stoner_f.html (http://www.motomatters.com/results/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_1pm_times_stoner_f.html)
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 06:16:02 AM 4pm: http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/172131/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_4pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/172131/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_4pm.html)
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 06:17:07 AM @motomatters: Filippo Preziosi just said that Valentino Rossi is testing directions for 1 year ahead, not chasing times. This is for the future
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 06:18:15 AM alex briggs: I think JB is trying 2 kill us! Its like we are trying 2 cram a years testing into a day.
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: fastwin on August 15, 2011, 06:56:25 AM The Ben seems to like the big block bike. [thumbsup] [Dolph] [popcorn]
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 08:22:03 AM 6pm: http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/172136/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_6pm.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/172136/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_6pm.html)
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 08:33:32 AM The Ben seems to like the big block bike. [thumbsup] [Dolph] [popcorn] [thumbsup] (http://www.motoracereports.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1704.jpg) Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: Spidey on August 15, 2011, 09:06:48 AM The Ben did a ton fewer laps than Jorge on the 800, but about equal on the 1000cc. Looks like he was saving his neck for the 1000cc or was otherwise pacing himself throughout the day.
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: Spidey on August 15, 2011, 11:12:02 AM I'm getting more and more pessimistic about the 1000s. I don't think they are going to be any more fun to watch than the 800s. They'll still put a premium on corner speed, gas consumption and tire heat. And rider weight will still be a big factor .
Unfortunately, I just don't think we're not going to see anything like the passing and the hangin' the ass-out style of the 990s, not with the current engine management and TC systems, tire construction and fuel limits. But I'll be really happy if I'm proven wrong. Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: triangleforge on August 15, 2011, 12:31:15 PM @motomatters: Filippo Preziosi just said that Valentino Rossi is testing directions for 1 year ahead, not chasing times. This is for the future Someone enlighten me -- why, then, is Ducati running only the 800 in this test? Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: Speeddog on August 15, 2011, 01:02:36 PM Marginally scientific comparison:
Of the riders who raced, then tested their same 800, the average lap time improvement was 0.684 sec. Of the riders who raced, then tested the 1000, the average lap time improvement was 1.020 sec. So, 0.336 sec. difference...... I imagine that they're running 'race' fuel maps in the 1000's. Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 01:26:59 PM Someone enlighten me -- why, then, is Ducati running only the 800 in this test? - they have already tested the 1000cc more than any other factory team so far this year. - they have a long way to go in 2011 yet - the GP11.1 is the 1000, albeit destroked Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 15, 2011, 01:51:13 PM there are also rumors that the GP12 will be closer to 900 than 1000cc for fuel reasons.
the RC213v will be "between 800 and 1000cc".. nice and vague Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: duccarlos on August 15, 2011, 04:35:55 PM The fuel limitation will kill the 1000s in the end, at least for next year. I think with an dditional year, they will be able to engineer a more fuel efficient 1000cc motor. Whomever gets there first will dominate. So in closing, fuel efficiency will make the next champion. Go figure.
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: derby on August 15, 2011, 05:31:31 PM http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Brno-test:-It-wheelies-in-fifth (http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Brno-test:-It-wheelies-in-fifth)!---Spies&newsid=5322
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: zooom on August 16, 2011, 03:13:35 AM http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Brno-test:-It-wheelies-in-fifth!---Spies&newsid=5322 (http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Brno-test:-It-wheelies-in-fifth) 2 good gems in there Quote "It is going to change the ways you do stuff and the style of racing, which will suit some people better while others will have to change but on paper it shouldn't hurt us. The way I ride with less corner speed and more braking, and being a bigger guy and more horsepower, I shouldn't be at such a disadvantage. "The biggest key for me right now is not so much jumping on a thousand but the current disadvantages of acceleration and being heavier and not coming from a 250cc background we won't have so much to face next year, so I'm looking forward to that. and then this...which then makes it sound more like 990 era riding to ensue potentially... Quote "The biggest thing is having the torque available. You can mess up the corner a little and still have the grunt to get out of it with the same exit speed. It's a little safety thing. "It won't make the racing a whole lot closer but with the 1000s power is not the problem, it's going to be grip and who can use it the best. You will pass in places where you couldn't pass with an 800. You will be able to stuff it in there, stop and still fire it out and not lose that drive. It will open up a few more passing opportunities." Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 16, 2011, 06:05:28 AM http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_round_up_all_hail_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_round_up_all_hail_.html)
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: duccarlos on August 16, 2011, 07:12:31 AM http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_round_up_all_hail_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/15/2011_brno_motogp_test_round_up_all_hail_.html) This is a loaded statement: Quote But the electronics and the fuel limits are still in place, along with the astonishingly efficient Bridgestone tires. As long as those factors are still there, the racing won't change that much. Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: ducpainter on August 16, 2011, 01:14:07 PM This is a loaded statement: efficient?Not for Ducati. ;) Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: gm2 on August 16, 2011, 02:21:01 PM efficient? Not for Ducati. ;) it's long been established that the bikes have to be designed to work with the tires.. it's not bridgestone's problem, it's ducati's ;) Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: mitt on August 16, 2011, 07:44:36 PM efficient? Not for Ducati. ;) Hellish efficient at going backwards [thumbsup] mitt Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: ducpainter on August 17, 2011, 02:47:27 AM it's long been established that the bikes have to be designed to work with the tires.. it's not bridgestone's problem, it's ducati's ;) That's the rub...it seems that Ducati had a bike that worked with the 'Stones... until they became the 'Official' tire of the series. I'm not a fan of spec anything at the GP level. I don't care if every race isn't a fairing banger... Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: zooom on August 17, 2011, 03:04:39 AM I'm not a fan of spec anything at the GP level. well...you can't have a completely unlimited class...there have to be SOME specs... so, considering that...which specs of what is coming would you enforce and which would you eliminate? Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: ducpainter on August 17, 2011, 03:09:39 AM well...you can't have a completely unlimited class...there have to be SOME specs... When I say spec I mean a 'control' tire, or engine like in moto 2so, considering that...which specs of what is coming would you enforce and which would you eliminate? Sure you need rules. Which rule? ...engines are limited to 1000 cc's...fuel tanks will be xx liters in capacity... Have at it boys. ;) Eliminate the rest of them. Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: zooom on August 17, 2011, 03:17:52 AM so you think the 81mm stroke should be tossed?
personally...I'd rather give them a stroke limitation, CC spec, a spec'd ECU and let have as much or as little fuel as they desire... Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: ducpainter on August 17, 2011, 03:30:18 AM so you think the 81mm stroke should be tossed? I think a displacement limit and a fuel limit is all they need at the premiere level of racing.personally...I'd rather give them a stroke limitation, CC spec, a spec'd ECU and let have as much or as little fuel as they desire... I don't care if it costs billions to win. I want to see the most motivated player win. While the racing in moto2 is exciting, it isn't gp level IMO due to the spec engine. Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: triangleforge on August 17, 2011, 08:49:12 AM it's long been established that the bikes have to be designed to work with the tires.. it's not bridgestone's problem, it's ducati's ;) Which is why Rossi noting that "We also tried some new Bridgestone tyres, and the first impression was good" has to be at least a feeble, rain-soaked ray of sunshine... Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: zarn02 on August 17, 2011, 10:27:34 AM I'm not a fan of spec anything at the GP level. Agreed. As I said in another thread (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=51154.0), "while I understand cost concerns, personally I view prototype racing as the one place to just go absolutely bananas." "Your engine must displace under [xxxx]cc. Go with God." Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: fastwin on August 17, 2011, 02:15:26 PM I'm with you. Some general rules are fine... no, you can't have four wheels on your bike, that makes it a car! [bang] But after the general rules are set then knock yourself out. Sure cubic money often wins under those circumstances but hasn't that always been the case? Ford got tired in the 1960s of Ferrari winning LeMans and everything else so out came the check books... voila, Ford GT40s. Cubic money. I think less rules would enhance MotoGP and F1. If X maker of tires does better then everyone will gravitate towards running those buns and in theory it should push the other makers to do better. There is more competition going on than just between the riders on the track.
Title: Re: Brno GP test Post by: duccarlos on August 17, 2011, 06:36:34 PM Plus more tech being developed that will eventually make their way to street bikes [thumbsup]
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