Ducati Monster Forum

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Shes mostly done...other than the rod knock that developed! SON OF A pregnant dog! Siiiiiiince the heads are coming off anyway and going out to get bored for the FBF 1080 big bore kit and I'll have a bit of down time...

I thought I might dig into the "my bike handles like crap issue". I obtained the front end from a 1098R...Go big or go home, right?!

I got the:
 Ohlins forks (with under 1000 miles)
 axle and spacers (assuming some machining will be needed)
 left and right mono block calipers
 stock rotors

I know I need to either get the complete triple from Speedymoto or at least the over sized top clamp. my wallet hasn't made the decision yet yet on that. I was also gunna pick up a set of masters from an 848/1098 just to make sure those mono blocks don't go to waste!

Can anyone tell me what else I might need. I sorta recall a spacing issue on the rotors?

most likely you'll need 15mm offset on the rotors.
you said stock. as in stock 1098R or your Monster?

1098 should be the 15mm, the Monster 6bolt are 10 or less depending on year

i said most likely, should, depending... cause i don't know crap ;)

the ohlins of the 1098R I think are like 53/56mm on the triples. measure for SURE

also, can't remember, but I think i've seen special fenders for them as spacing might be different.

Sorry,
yeah, stock rotors from the 1098R. I did measure the fender mounts too...I'll need to take my fender hoop to my fab guy and get it tweeked a little too...like 3-4mm difference in mounting points vs the Ohlins.

My Monster is a 2007 S2r1000 if that helps.

they are likely then the 330mm rotors. there should be 5mm spacers for mounting the calipers on the forks.

also, rotors are 5bolt. are you running 5bolt wheels?

Damn...didn't think about the number of mounting points on the Rotors...they came as part of the package, so I might just have to have something aftermarket for the swap in the rotor department. I don't know if the stock rotors are worth swapping wheels...

You shoul be able to use any sbk wheels except 1*98
i think their real axle is a different size
check out ebay or ducati-superbikes.com or org can't remember which it is
330 rotors should be worth the upgrade

Path of least resistance both ease and financial is actually going to be custom brake rotors...  A 6 bolt mounted inner 330mm OD rotor. Not actually custom...just a matter of matching up a center of 6 bolts to a floating outer section that creates the desired OD

Problem solved..I think!

You can get six bolt fifteen offset three twenty rotors and drop the five mm spacers on the caliper mounts
That's what i have

Definitely get the masters, and at this point just get a 5-bolt front wheel. 848/1098/1198, S4Rs (and t), 749/999, new Multis, Hypers...

Rotors are a pregnant dog, and unless you have some attachment to the 6-bolt wheels, why not switch?


I can't remember if you need to bore out the stock lower triple and use the SBK upper triple, or if you can run both upper and lower SBK triples instead.

Problem with getting a new front wheel, is...I might be wrong, but I's have to get the rear too. I did just a bit of research and it looks like Ducati didn't make the 6 bold wheel in the five spoke design. I'm partial to it, but more so, I don't care for SBK wheels on Monsters.

If I'm wrong about the 5 spoke wheel with 5 bolts, let me know.  [drink]

Hey I know that bike!!  LOL...Hey my name is Darin, I brought my bike in about a month ago to have the tank replaced, 695 Dark...and I was asking you questions about your bike when I picked mine back up.  I still have to say, I really like your bike...Still looking for the metal tank that you recommended.

Have fun with the upgrade!  Wish I had the funds to do that to mine.  Or do any kind of suspension upgrade.

Peace

i think the 999 runs the 5 spoke with 5 bolts for the front.

you can't use SBK triples as the offset is different IIRC and the bigger one's have mounts for the steering damper.

your stock lower bore is 54mm
the Ohlins I think is 56mm lower.

your stock upper is 50mm
the Ohlins is 53mm upper.

you'll have to measure for sure, but that means boring out both upper and lower. or replacing both.

Only 5 spoke 5 bolt front wheel will be BST (haha), the 999 was all the split Y-spoke. I personally like the Y-spoke design of the newer bikes a lot, so that's fine with me.

Looks like the only choice would be custom rotors. No 6 bolt OEM rotor was ever the right offset for the 330/15 radial SBK design.

actually the radial mount of the 1098 is built for a 320 rotor with 5mm spacers put on the caliper mounts to allow the 330 rotors
you can drop the spacer and run 320, which are available as 6bolt 15mm offset

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MV-Agusta-magnesium-wheels-Marchesini-Brutale-F4-cheap-/190568978472?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c5ecbd828 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MV-Agusta-magnesium-wheels-Marchesini-Brutale-F4-cheap-/190568978472?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c5ecbd828)

apparently Marchesini made them for MV
not sure about fitment though

If your engine has developed a rod knock will you have to remove the engine and split the cases?  

I'm completely retarded. 320 15mm rotors will work with the 5mm spacers removed from the calipers, right?

I was thinking back to when I looked at 5 bolt front wheels for my S2R1k (and stock suspension and brakes). There was nothing 5 bolt and 320/10. The only option there was to go custom. Sorry for the confusion on my end.

Yep...the NEW path of least resistance...320 rotors...no 5mm spacer on the caliper mount and a nice 5mm spacer on the hub for the 6 bolt, 5 spoke wheels...

I figure, the brakes were designed for a bike with much more HP and similar weight, obviously, this bike will never be a track bike, and the 5mm difference won't amount to much even with the modest performance upgrades of the big bore kit, Tuneboy, Beast intake, exhaust and lightened flywheel. I think 320 is just dandy. Agreed? maybe I'll add some better rotors later, but its a cafe street bike...it is what it is...

Trav...
yep...all sorts of dismantling going on this week. Heads heading to Millennium for boring and plating and might be ordering Carillo rods...why not at this point!? right?

So are you going to get the bottom end balanced and/or lightened? 

Well, its gunna depend on the extent of the damage. I very well might end up with a hot little motor... I'll keep ya guys posted as the headache turns into opportunity! This also brings upon other issues too...better oil cooler, maybe cams...etc...etc..

I don't wanna go over board ( more than I have anyway), as I have another project starting to take shape soon too.

I have a question I hope someone will be able to answer. I have just bought a pair of Ohlins forks off and 08 GSXR1000 to fit my 05 1000Sie, my question is, what is the distance between the bolts (center to center) on the 848 mono block brake calipers and will the fit my new forks?
Thanks in advance
Don

100mm mounts

ok...survey for those who have successfully swapped superbike forks on to the 320mm rotors...

6 individual 5mm spacers for the 320mm rotors to the wheels OR 1 5mm machined ring between the 6 mounting points of the rotor and front wheel?

obviously I need to get longer mounting bolts, ordered some Titanium ones in a custom length today....

Contact BrakeTech, they make those spacers.

They're one piece AFAIK.

I would assume 6 separate spacers would allow some wierd torquing of the bolts during heavy braking.

There's a few ways to do this, cheapest is make your own (very simple I did it) you can buy alum. stock in correct thickness trace out shim from rotor & cut it out. You can buy spacers from AF1 that's the only place I could find them. Or have a machine shop make them, there all one piece and stock bolts have plenty of thread. But what I ended up doing is buying Galfer wave rotors with the correct off set they look great and are a full pound lighter then Brembos & loosing 2lbs of un sprung weight was nice touch to a great mod.

That is true
using spacers actually adds unsprung weight and rotational weight altough it is close the axle

Good theory...I refuse to use Galfer products due to how they treated a customer of mine and his ongoing saga with rotors for his BMW, but certainly Braking or EBC will offer a similar application.

Thanks guys!

I have the braking rotors
748r is the correct application
6 bolt 15mm offset

Then CERTAINLY thats the way to go...I wasn't really enjoying the idea of a spacer on there!

Sounds like I'm there...

1098r Ohlins
stock axle
1098r mono block Brembo calipers
Speedymoto 53/56 complete triple assembly
53mm clip ons-to replace the 50mm ones...
848 radial masters
billet wheel spacers to replace the steel ones
748 r Braking rotors
Ceramic bearings (why not at this point, right?)
TPO Titanium pinch an rotor bolts

The only thing left is a new "Hoop" speigler front line to link the 2 calipers together as I'm sure the one I had made 3 months ago


SOOOOOOOoooooo...anyone wanna buy a super clean Showa adjustable front end with brakes, custom powder coated speedymoto clamp and clip ons? :)

This project is gunna brake me!

Thanks for the input Raux!