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Title: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 03:21:22 AM Can anyone please explain the difference between a i.e and any other monster (older models ofcourse). If my memory serves me right I believe it was an 800 Dark i.e. can someone explain pros and cons (I was told it was a rare one). [coffee]
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 30, 2011, 04:32:11 AM ie = Fuel Injection.
AFAIK all 800s were i.e. models. Dark was a lower tier trim line. They didn't have some of the nice farkles of some of the other trim lines and were usually most notable for lacking a gloss clear coat. It's not rare Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 04:42:26 AM ie = Fuel Injection. Thanks for the 411, and to think that I was soooo close to dropping the cash on a strip-down model.AFAIK all 800s were i.e. models. Dark was a lower tier trim line. They didn't have some of the nice farkles of some of the other trim lines and were usually most notable for lacking a gloss clear coat. It's not rare Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 30, 2011, 04:52:28 AM new they were a couple hundred bucks less than the 'standard'. Not sure about the 800 - but I know that Dark 620:
- Had flat paint - Didn't come with bikini or tail fairing - had bar risers and clamp cast as part of the triple. Standard the riser was a separate piece. So, the difference wasn't dramatic - and the flat black metallic paint looked bad ass (some darks came in different colors like silver btw but were flat). But yeah - not a rare model. Matrix, Foggy, Caripex, 'S' versions of the various monsters are more rare. Also, 'Senna' color versions, while not limited edition models, are higher demand as the color scheme is bad ass. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 05:14:42 AM new they were a couple hundred bucks less than the 'standard'. Not sure about the 800 - but I know that Dark 620: this one I was looking at is an 800 i.e Silver Flat (a little tooooo flat for my taste and I would've ended up painting the tank or something), if it would've been flat black then that's a different story just because it's an 800, but other than that it sounds like it's a little more work to mod the handle bars for example. I want clip on and I would have to do some serious grinding off of the risers. I think it sits a about an inch lower too no? and the seller was trying to pitch the bike to me as rare. :(- Had flat paint - Didn't come with bikini or tail fairing - had bar risers and clamp cast as part of the triple. Standard the riser was a separate piece. So, the difference wasn't dramatic - and the flat black metallic paint looked bad ass (some darks came in different colors like silver btw but were flat). But yeah - not a rare model. Matrix, Foggy, Caripex, 'S' versions of the various monsters are more rare. Also, 'Senna' color versions, while not limited edition models, are higher demand as the color scheme is bad ass. It did have front and rear fenders tho, but it needed some work. I think I won't be riding until next summer :( Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 30, 2011, 05:31:36 AM It should have fenders - I was referring to the cowl over the passenger seat and the windscreen up front.
The silver Darks were uncommon. I've only seen one in the flesh. So there is some accuracy there. But it's not like it's a special or limited edition. It was a normal production model. They just mostly chose black for the darks, with the occasional go with silver. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 05:39:03 AM It should have fenders - I was referring to the cowl over the passenger seat and the windscreen up front. Thanks for the clarifications there SP, I appreciate the info. You can rest assured that next summer I will be unvailing my Monster before and after pix :D I might pick one up during the winter and mod it during the winter break, I no ride on the snow, I did it a few times and never more! hahaha!The silver Darks were uncommon. I've only seen one in the flesh. So there is some accuracy there. But it's not like it's a special or limited edition. It was a normal production model. They just mostly chose black for the darks, with the occasional go with silver. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducrider45 on August 30, 2011, 02:02:37 PM The darks were nice if you planed to mod. they were a base line bike. Generaly they were $500USD less than the standard bike of the same size. They were also lighter. They had a smaller fuel tank and no fairing or cowl.
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: the_Journeyman on August 30, 2011, 02:54:21 PM Don't forget the bargain basement suspension on the Darks.
JM Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 03:55:37 PM I'm kinda turned off now. Small this, lighter that, bargain suspension...oy! I think I'll wait for the right one :)
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: the_Journeyman on August 30, 2011, 04:16:07 PM For the great price, they're great bikes. Leaves it open to whatever changes you want. I spent $90 on Ebay and found a spring kit that made a huge difference.
JM Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 05:24:16 PM The darks were nice if you planed to mod. they were a base line bike. Generaly they were $500USD less than the standard bike of the same size. They were also lighter. They had a smaller fuel tank and no fairing or cowl. Could the fuel tank be upgraded since it has a smaller one?Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 05:58:12 PM And another thing, could the tripletree be swapped out when it comes time to put some clip ons on instead of grinding off the risers?
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Duc Buz on August 30, 2011, 06:16:48 PM This is a my matte silver 620 Dark with dual front disc's, 800's were identical, but the obvious engine size. A lot less matte silver Dark's out there than the matte black. I actually preffered the matte silver because at the time most Darks I saw were matte black.
Yep a little cheaper, no windscreen, or seat cowl. Did not care for the screen anyway but did get a used seat cowl for $40. I liked the black frame on the the Dark compared to others. (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/6011959652_f687ebb89a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ducbuz/6011959652/) As for modding it's really not that big of a deal, grinding risers off and a little clean up. Homemade mods are the bomb and make the Dark look great: (If you like the really naked look) (Just a few bucks in some materials or left over materials, dremel cutting wheels, a few fasteners, and rattle can paint) Most plastic removed-$0 Frame stickers removed-$0 Chopped / Cored / Painted / stock exhaust cans-Lowered headlamp and clocks-$0 Slotted / Painted Belt and sprocket covers-$0 Tail Chop-$0 Couple of other items (not free) Woodcraft clipons Black slotted inspection cover Black anodised oil filler cap Bar end mirror Now it's special (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6022/6011948966_eda4cb2261.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ducbuz/6011948966/) (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/6011945518_8cf16ebacc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ducbuz/6011945518/) Cheers Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducrider45 on August 30, 2011, 06:26:29 PM Or you could go nuts on it like I did. I turned a stock 2002 M620ie Dark into this:
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF3495.jpg) Good luck ;D Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducrider45 on August 30, 2011, 06:32:42 PM Could the fuel tank be upgraded since it has a smaller one? Yes, but it is only a liter smaller than the standard.Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: SDkid on August 30, 2011, 06:36:20 PM Or you could go nuts on it like I did. I turned a stock 2002 M620ie Dark into this: Where'd the rest of your swingarm go? That looks BA. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Duc Buz on August 30, 2011, 06:40:08 PM Or you could go nuts on it like I did. I turned a stock 2002 M620ie Dark into this: (http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/ducrider45/DSCF3495.jpg) Good luck ;D And yes you can go nuts. Damn that is black. Well done. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducrider45 on August 30, 2011, 07:03:57 PM Thanks! Norm made that swing arm for me. It was made a year before Ducati offered them on Monsters. The 620 became a 900S as well.
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 30, 2011, 07:11:14 PM The M800 also is the best small case engine. The 696 has almost as much HP, but you can tune the 800 and get a lot more out of it.
Much better power curve than the M750 despite "only" 55 extra cc. I like the 800 engine a lot. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducrider45 on August 30, 2011, 07:19:57 PM The M800 also is the best small case engine. The 696 has almost as much HP, but you can tune the 800 and get a lot more out of it. I agree.Much better power curve than the M750 despite "only" 55 extra cc. I like the 800 engine a lot. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 30, 2011, 08:09:23 PM I am both speechless (re: the two bikes pictured) and amazed of the potential it has. Hmmm...the one I'm considering is an M800 if that means anything, cause I don't...M = Monster??
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 30, 2011, 08:25:32 PM I am both speechless (re: the two bikes pictured) and amazed of the potential it has. Hmmm...the one I'm considering is an M800 if that means anything, cause I don't...M = Monster?? Yes. M800 = Monster 800 Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: IZ on August 30, 2011, 08:57:38 PM As mentioned..bargain bike but also mentioned it has dual Brembos up front. I have an '03 620 silver Dark. Still running with 80K. The 800 i.e. is a good bike. If you don't like the (lack of) paint..just mod it! I did. [thumbsup]
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/MyoldMonster.jpg) (http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/freshpaintandCFlogos.jpg) (http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/DucSide_1.jpg) Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 04:00:55 AM These bikes look sick!! ;D [Dolph]
One more question I do have is "how can I tell if a frame is bent" by looking at it if I'm not able to ride the bike (I don't know if that will reveal a bent frame anyway). Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 04:14:15 AM These bikes look sick!! ;D [Dolph] One more question I do have is "how can I tell if a frame is bent" by looking at it if I'm not able to ride the bike (I don't know if that will reveal a bent frame anyway). You really cant, unless the tweak is very severe. Frames flex too, (at high speed/G) so you can't even use that. The only way to tell is to put it on a jig or make some measurements off a new bike and check them, but the latter is very hit or miss too. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 04:43:24 AM You really cant, unless the tweak is very severe. Frames flex too, (at high speed/G) so you can't even use that. The only way to tell is to put it on a jig or make some measurements off a new bike and check them, but the latter is very hit or miss too. thank you for answering all of my questions, I was browsing the other posts and I was reading that a salvged/rebuilt title bikes insurance are shitty and takes lots of value away from the bike (and that is understandable as to why). But I am a little weary because:1. Has no clutch lever 2. No Headlight 3. its an '03 with VERY low milage (not that I'm complaining about that part, but you know what I mean) 4. Broken Tail light 5. Brake lever tip paint is missing (indication to me at least that bike was down and slid) 6. Scratched up (possible dent on tank) I think in the end I'll be spending as much as if I would've gotten a '05 800 and possible S2R. If I post pix would you guys tell me if its worth the buy before I take the 1 hr drive to go see it in person? Please? :-\ :( Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 05:07:36 AM The bike in question...
The guy wants $3G's it also looks like it's got little bits of new parts (replaced parts) like foot pegs, braket for passanger foot pegs (unless black is the original stock color) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/7ec04939.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/913d2798.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/ae564cec.jpg) something about this next pic seems off to me.. :( (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/9abed9bd.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/79bdf598.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/b05efb1f.jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/DucMon/3f66e437.jpg) go or no go [/glow]Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 31, 2011, 05:13:11 AM Hmm, looks like you'd be buying some troubles.
It's been down on both sides. The left took more thank the right. I can see scrapes on the engine case on the left. The front wheel fender/hugger should be silver as well. IT's not in running shape right now... might only need that clutch lever, but hard to say. Good news is that the frame is probably fine based on that damage. But.. unless you feel like a project. Walk away... or low ball bike time and see if they take it. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 05:19:54 AM Hmm, looks like you'd be buying some troubles. Oh see! I didn't notice the scrapes on the left side of the engine case. Left bar end is missing too, probably due to it being down on that side... :-\ but you really think that the frame wasn't affected tho right?It's been down on both sides. The left took more thank the right. I can see scrapes on the engine case on the left. The front wheel fender/hugger should be silver as well. IT's not in running shape right now... might only need that clutch lever, but hard to say. Good news is that the frame is probably fine based on that damage. But.. unless you feel like a project. Walk away... or low ball bike time and see if they take it. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 31, 2011, 05:45:10 AM The frames are pretty resilient and the other damage isn't drastic. Right side looks like a tip over or very low speed dump. Left side looks like a little more speed was involved, but not high speeds by a long shot.
But all the missing bits will cost you a few hundred to replace. Then there's the time... And does it run? It can't be ridden at the mo, but does it even run? And - does it have 3 keys? From the factory it would have two black keys (daily use keys) and one red key. The red key is only used when the immobilizer system is tripped. IF you don't have the red key, you're rather buggered if the immobilizer trips. There are ways to eliminate the immobilizer, but none are cheap. And if the immobilizer goes off and you can't reset it, you need a new guage set, key and lock set and a new ECU. $$$ Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 05:56:39 AM $3 for that?
I have seen excellent condition 620s go for $3000. No damage. I wouldn't pay more than 1500-2000 for that depending on the actual up close condition. Tell him you want a repair estimate from a Ducati dealer and you'll pay $3000 minus the estimate. KBB says that bike in "EXCELLENT" condition is $4000. that's EXCELLENT condition, no significant damage at all. Your seller also has it on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140592639671 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140592639671) Honestly, I wouldn't touch it except for parts I wouldn't even buy a bike with a NJ title either (unless I had a complete service history and knew the seller). NJ is one of the few states that allows you to return a salvage title into a regular title with no notice to the buyer. Excellent condition 620 dark that sold for $3000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/170680561315 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/170680561315) Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 06:05:59 AM it does run, I'm on my way to see it now.
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 06:11:58 AM Have you restored or built a bike before?
Do you feel comfortable chasing wiring on a bike you have never owned? Feel excited about paying about 4-500 to get the tank repaired and painted? The bike is neither rare nor exceptional. The 800 engine is nice and the frame/wheels/brakes look ok. If you told me you had 3-4 ducatis in your garage or have owned them, I'd say go offer a lowball on it. But for a first bike? Let me know when you put it back on ebay. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 06:43:43 AM This is my 4th bike, first Ducati. Never restored a bike but I'm very mechanically inclined. I had my own mechanich shop before. I know how to paint too, I have tools up to my eyeballs :D and a great team of resources for when I need help...you guys :D
I'm gonna offer $1k if not less once I see the extent of work it needs. This is what I can do... From this... (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/3twenty8i/BMW%20328i/avatar.jpg) To this... (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/Den_licia/Personal%20Pix/Feb22007073.jpg) Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 31, 2011, 07:02:27 AM Tell him you want a repair estimate from a Ducati dealer and you'll pay $3000 minus the estimate. Oh oh oh get him to do that! You'll make money! The tank alone is $1800 Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 07:39:45 AM This is my 4th bike, first Ducati. Never restored a bike but I'm very mechanically inclined. I had my own mechanich shop before. I know how to paint too, I have tools up to my eyeballs :D and a great team of resources for when I need help...you guys :D I'm gonna offer $1k if not less once I see the extent of work it needs. OK, then you're good to go. I just hate hearing people looking for a fixer-upper for a first bike or even a first Ducati. That being said, I think if you can get it for cheap, you'll get a good deal -- doing the work yourself. Keep us posted. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 09:38:20 AM Well I am back with news!!! :D ;D [Dolph]
I looked at the bike...oh boy, where do I start. I was obvious that the bike had been dumped on both side, how did it happen I dunno, but upon further inspection more damages started to surface. The bike was hit from the front and the damages were the following:
So I made him an offer and gave him two choices, I told him $1k or I could get an estimate from the dealer and subtract the repairs off of his asking price. He then said "if you do that then I'll end up owing you money!" I said "I kinda like that option if you ask me!". So he then told me that he was going to keep it and fix it for himself. I said [thumbsup] Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 31, 2011, 09:47:40 AM Yeah - he'd end up owing you on parts alone if you went by OEM price.
So yeah... walk away. That's not worth the efforts. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 09:51:17 AM Yeah - he'd end up owing you on parts alone if you went by OEM price. Oh yeah he also told me that he replaced the tripletree cause it was cracked, so the impact was strong at the front end...so if you need me I'll be looking at the for sale posts [popcorn] :PSo yeah... walk away. That's not worth the efforts. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 10:02:11 AM He needs to man up and part it out or sell it for cheap.
All that's left is the engine and wheels, maybe the frame. Frame isn't worth much, no market for it. I'm going to email him about it. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 10:22:08 AM He needs to man up and part it out or sell it for cheap. I would've taken it if it didn't have that bad of a hit. I just want to find either an 8-900 stock so I can modify it to my liking, his would've been a good candidate but oh well...maybe you can repair it and make it look sick.All that's left is the engine and wheels, maybe the frame. Frame isn't worth much, no market for it. I'm going to email him about it. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on August 31, 2011, 10:31:25 AM All that's left is the engine and wheels, maybe the frame. Frame isn't worth much, no market for it. From the description of the dent in the frame, and cracked stops - I'd say the frame was done. Wheels, engine, brakes and small parts... Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on August 31, 2011, 06:25:49 PM From the description of the dent in the frame, and cracked stops - I'd say the frame was done. Wheels, engine, brakes and small parts... wow that is just a sad sad bike. dude wants to "fix" it.. yeah, fix that frame baby... Sigh, I'd love to get that bike and make it whole. '03 M800 has a lot of potential Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on August 31, 2011, 09:39:18 PM And the search continues :)
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on September 01, 2011, 03:54:33 AM There is an. S2r on DC Craigslist for 4800.
Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: Slide Panda on September 01, 2011, 04:25:45 AM
^^^ From that I'd say the frame is done. So what's left is brakes, swing arm, rear wheel, maybe the front wheel, brakes, repairable gas tank, seat, engine with minor damage and lots of small parts. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: CookieMonster on September 01, 2011, 04:52:22 AM There is an. S2r on DC Craigslist for 4800. But he doesn't have the title on hand yet...that's kinda scary, riding away with no title and he has my cash?! Hmmm...^^^ From that I'd say the frame is done. Would that make a good donor bike if I had a frame already and maybe just transfer all good parts? I wanted to get a hold of that 800 engine and just tweak the shit out of it and get as much power out of it as possible. ;D but in the end I'll prolly be spending as much money as if I was to get a stock 8-9-1100 Monster no? ;DSo what's left is brakes, swing arm, rear wheel, maybe the front wheel, brakes, repairable gas tank, seat, engine with minor damage and lots of small parts. Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: ducatiz on September 01, 2011, 06:41:01 AM But he doesn't have the title on hand yet...that's kinda scary, riding away with no title and he has my cash?! It's not that big of a deal. You just need to establish that he's the legal owner with his registration and run a check with the dmv ($12) online, and have a good bill of sale -- and get it notarized. If you want a sample bill of sale for a bike you can fill in, pm your email address. I wrote it up for my use and it's been very helpful for me (and I'm an attorney so I write well.. :-)) Title: Re: Monster 800 Dark i.e? What's so special?? Post by: thought on September 01, 2011, 07:35:06 PM i used this when i bought my sv:
http://www.free-legal-document.com/free-motorcycle-bill-of-sale.html (http://www.free-legal-document.com/free-motorcycle-bill-of-sale.html) ducatiz's is prob better, but that covered all the bases for me. |