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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: sgeier on September 05, 2011, 07:04:12 PM

Title: Remove chain to clean
Post by: sgeier on September 05, 2011, 07:04:12 PM
Hi I am looking for some opinions. I am garage mechanic wanna-be and am just learning.
I recently thought that I could more easily and thoroughly clean my chain by removing it completely from the bike and using S100 and a toothbrush.
I then sprayed some chain wax on it and put it back on and set the tension.
I did this and after 4000 miles the chain looks brand new. So I am pretty happy with the results, but I am wondering if am hurting something else in the long run.
Is this a bad practice and there is something I don't realize.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: Howie on September 05, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
Courtesy of one of our sponsors, Chris Kelley of California Cycleworks:

Ducatitech.com "HowTo" Ducati Chain Care and Maintenance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682LEXdI-80#)
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: BK_856er on September 05, 2011, 11:38:37 PM
I use the "Chris Kelley" technique every 150-200miles, but with Dupont teflon lube, immediately after a ride so the chain is good and warm.  Rearstand makes it super easy.

Every few lubes per above, I first wipe the chain down with kerosene and rags.

Every year or two, while I have the wheel off for some other reason, I take a toothbrush and container of kerosene and give the chain a good scrubbing.

I'm a clean chain maniac, but I would not go to the trouble of completely removing the chain just to clean it.  And I'd be worried about the water-based S100 cleaner for the long-haul.  Kerosene is kosher for the o-rings.  Don't let it get too skanky and it won't be too much trouble to keep it looking/working in top shape.

BK
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: booger on September 06, 2011, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: BK_856er on September 05, 2011, 11:38:37 PMKerosene is kosher for the o-rings.

Agreed  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: Triple J on September 06, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
This is a bit like asking what oil is best, as there are multiple opinions, but...

...I just stick with Chain Wax (or actually the cheaper Dupont Teflon Spray alternative) to clean and "lube" my chains. I don't get kerosene or WD-40 anywhere near them, since those are very good at getting into tight spaces and removing grease. I'd rather not risk a little getting by an 0-ring or two and ruining the grease between the links. Besides, wax/teflon on a warm chain is all that is needed...unless you're super anal and want your chain to look like new, in which case you'll probably replace it before it needs it anyway.

Taking the chain off to clean it is flat out silly IMO.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: booger on September 06, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
Well hey my Ducati Monster owner's manual said to use paraffin(kerosene) or diesel to clean the DID o-ring chain that came stock. Neither of those two are penetrating oils and they won't harm an o-ring seal. Kero also outperforms all expensive specialty chain cleaners according to webbikeworld and various other references. 

I strongly disagree that kerosene will penetrate and remove grease from o-ring chain links. 

Some have said WD-40 doesn't do it either, but since it is a penetrant, I would stay away.

Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: Ddan on September 07, 2011, 02:16:35 AM
I think the primary ingredient in WD40 is kero. 
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: Howie on September 07, 2011, 03:44:32 AM
WD-40 is much thinner than kerosene and is 50% Stoddard Solvent, the rest is propellant and mineral oil.  It is O ring safe, but can creep past O rings if the chain is soaked in it.

Unless your chain is really grungy there is more than enough solvent in most chain lubes to leave you with a nice, clean shiny chain and you will probably have less fling.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: sgeier on September 07, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
Thank you all for the great advice. I did let the chain maintenance slip a little and the chain was pretty grungy.
Next time I will try the Chris Kelly method and once my can of chain wax runs out I think I'll try the Dupont Teflon lube as the chain wax seems "sticky" to me.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: EEL on September 09, 2011, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: sgeier on September 07, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
Thank you all for the great advice. I did let the chain maintenance slip a little and the chain was pretty grungy.
Next time I will try the Chris Kelly method and once my can of chain wax runs out I think I'll try the Dupont Teflon lube as the chain wax seems "sticky" to me.

I use dupont chain clean and dupont chain lube (in the YELLOW CAN). Walmart seems to stock both. The yellow can is thicker and last a bit longer than the blue can.

(http://images.drillspot.com/pimages/4219/421916_300.jpg)

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Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: corey on September 09, 2011, 02:20:28 PM
two words.
bean. clean.

http://www.chaindrain.com/ (http://www.chaindrain.com/)
shit works. period.
also, if you get it on your pipes... when the bike heats up it smells like someone's frying chicken. it's great.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: seevtsaab on September 09, 2011, 02:30:10 PM
I've been using the Dupont Teflon stuff (blue can) without
so much as wiping my chain, just over 20k miles now.
Factors to consider, I ride in the rain, live on a dirt road,
But ride a 620, and lube warm every 300-500mi.
That Teflon Dry stuff is the cat's ass IMO.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: Greg on September 09, 2011, 03:21:50 PM
Dupont Teflon spray works great and you don't get oil spattered all over your wheel and tire.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: He Man on September 09, 2011, 07:35:40 PM
Quote from: corey on September 09, 2011, 02:20:28 PM
two words.
bean. clean.

http://www.chaindrain.com/ (http://www.chaindrain.com/)
shit works. period.
also, if you get it on your pipes... when the bike heats up it smells like someone's frying chicken. it's great.

no it isnt. its the best shit in the worl, until the smell brings back horrible horrible memories.
Title: Re: Remove chain to clean
Post by: VisceralReaction on September 12, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
^ only you have those cherished memories man. the rest of us just got to giggle at  the pics.