Yellow can or blue can? ive used blue can no problems. just saw that there is a chain specific one. any reviews?
never used it myself, but here's a review:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/dupont-teflon-chain-saver/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/dupont-teflon-chain-saver/)
just seems to be a thicker version of the blue can... dont think you can go wrong with either, but mebbe the yellow one will last longer?
thanks for that link, i only thought they had the review for the blue can. thick = more grime i think. too much is pointless anyway. will go with the blue can unless anyone else has a reason for hte yellow.
Get the blue.
I've been using it for 2 years now and love it!! Cleans the shit out of some chain grime, dries quick but still keeps the chain nice and lubed. And no fling up.
Best of all, it keeps the front sprocket area nice and clean. No more hour and a half cleaning sessions around the front sprocket!! [thumbsup]
I have about 12k miles on the 750's chain and not one sign of rust. I am kinda meticulous about cleaning the chain though, every 2 tanks or 3-400 miles. On both bikes.
I might be tempted by the yellow "chain" version, but I buy the blue by the case at Lowes and it'll be a while before I need to restock. One less thing to worry about...
BK
I've been using the blue for years and never bothered with the yellow. The blue took my aluminum rear sprocket to 15,000 of use and the sprocket could have done more if the chain hadn't caught a bad case of stretch.
I did see that dupont recently came out with a moto degrease/cleaning spray that I'm going to give a look at.
Quote from: BK_856er on September 13, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
I might be tempted by the yellow "chain" version, but I buy the blue by the case at Lowes and it'll be a while before I need to restock. One less thing to worry about...
BK
though dupont says its availble at many local stores, it isnt. Lowes is the only that carries it and theres only 2 lowes around, both of which is sold out.
:( 5.15 each +7 shipping on amazon, picked up 6 cans.
Try Beanclean instead, its environmentally friendly and smells like someone pour chicken greased on your bike if you get it on the udder. :P it cleans like no other chain cleaner, but its kind of on the expensive side of things. at 7 a can, it only goes through 5 uses at most.
Quote from: He Man on September 14, 2011, 06:49:14 AM
Try Beanclean instead, its environmentally friendly and smells like someone pour chicken greased on your bike if you get it on the udder
...ummm chicken grease!
Quote from: He Man on September 14, 2011, 06:49:14 AMsmells like someone pour chicken greased on your bike if you get it on the udder.
Says the man who knows from experience.
I like Bean Clean too.
I use the blue multi use stuff ..bought a can of kerosene for 10 bucks at lowes too works super every 1000 miles to clean degrese the chain
I like how he mentions that DuPont claimed they were getting more calls about this product due ot the review...
I too have used the blue for a couple years now.
Shoot me a pm he man if you can't find it and I'll send you a can.
Quote from: R0CKETMAN on September 14, 2011, 02:10:55 PM
I too have used the blue for a couple years now.
Shoot me a pm he man if you can't find it and I'll send you a can.
thanks for the offer, i found it on amazon for 6 bucks a can. picked up 6 cans. should be good enough for atleast 2 years.
Quote from: He Man on September 14, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
thanks for the offer, i found it on amazon for 6 bucks a can. picked up 6 cans. should be good enough for atleast 2 years.
Skimmed earlier and missed that....maybe 10yr supply lol
my last can barely lasted 3 months.
im a commuter and ride in the rain a lot lol
wow, 3 months??
i've put 15,000 miles on the ducati in the past 3 months. i've gone through less than 1 can in that time.
Please feel free to call me stupid, but I thought the O ring cain have the lubrication built in it selves, and that you could not get any lubrication past the O rings. I have 10,000 km on my cain and it is only been adjusted once and it`s still acording to spec. I use wd40 after washing.
Quote from: live2ride on September 15, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
wow, 3 months??
i've put 15,000 miles on the ducati in the past 3 months. i've gone through less than 1 can in that time.
its not just miles but road conditions. if you are constantly riding in the rain, it gets washed out and theres been A LOT of rain lately with the tropical storms and hurricanes. in 3 months ive only done about 3,000 milesish.
Quote from: errazor on September 15, 2011, 04:11:03 PM
Please feel free to call me stupid, but I thought the O ring cain have the lubrication built in it selves, and that you could not get any lubrication past the O rings. I have 10,000 km on my cain and it is only been adjusted once and it`s still acording to spec. I use wd40 after washing.
they tell you to put on the chain lube after you ride around and warm up the chain because then the o rings can suck in the lube.
also wd-40 for chains is considered a bad idea. supposedly it can seep into the orings and actually displaces the original lube (it was designed to penetrate and displace water), leaving only the wd-40 which quickly dissipates as it was not designed for that kind of temp and wear. this leaves your chain with no lube at all. there's a lot of debate about this, but there have been pics of a sealed airplane bearings that have totally rusted after using wd-40 as the primary lube.
if i were you, i'd just got and get a can of the dupont stuff either yellow or blue. it's cheap, readily available, and def works for chains.
My theory is that the lubrication is sealed inside the O rings in the cain.
I want to keep the outside dry and clean to avoid dust sticking to the cain acting like abrasive paste.
I spray on and dry of WD 40 after wash to prevent corrotion.
I have both the blue and yellow cans in my shop. I didn't notice a difference between the two that the review points out. One of my bikes sat unused for a year in our humid high rust climate on the Texas coast. I lubed the chain with the the blue before the bike set. I recently got the bike running again and I noticed that the chain has picked up some rust. Not bad but if I ever store a bike for a long time I'll go with a more conventional grease and then remove it when I'm ready to ride again.
Quote from: akmnstr on September 16, 2011, 07:35:46 AM
I have both the blue and yellow cans in my shop. I didn't notice a difference between that the review points out. One of my bikes sat unused for a year in our humid high rust climate on the Texas coast. I lubed the chain with the the blue before the bike set. I recently got the bike running again and I noticed that the chain has picked up some rust. Not bad but if I ever store a bike for a long time I'll go with a more conventional grease and then remove it when I'm ready to ride again.
When spraying anything onto a chain, any ambient moisture can be picked up by the spray or it can be trapped on the surface of the chain. The spray should push the moisture out, but sometimes it can lock it in. There are solid film lubricants on the market which will displace the moisture (Eezox comes to mind) but I don't know if that's good for a chain or not. It certainly does the job for all kinds of metals and is the only firearm product which completely prevents rust on bare metal after a salt spray.
Quote from: errazor on September 16, 2011, 04:28:12 AM
My theory is that the lubrication is sealed inside the O rings in the cain.
I want to keep the outside dry and clean to avoid dust sticking to the cain acting like abrasive paste.
I spray on and dry of WD 40 after wash to prevent corrotion.
not a theory, the lube is sealed with o rings. putting lube on the warm chain will allow some to suck in to help the sealed lube. any lube will act to keep the outside clean as long as it's replenished. wd-40 can penetrate and displace the sealed lube in your chain leaving you with no lube at all.
read the last comment at the end of this article:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/)
also, lubing after a wash doesnt help the chain that much at all. lube it after you've ridden it for a bit so it's warm.
Quote from: thought on September 15, 2011, 06:14:59 PM
also wd-40 for chains is considered a bad idea. supposedly it can seep into the orings and actually displaces the original lube (it was designed to penetrate and displace water), leaving only the wd-40 which quickly dissipates as it was not designed for that kind of temp and wear. this leaves your chain with no lube at all. there's a lot of debate about this, but there have been pics of a sealed airplane bearings that have totally rusted after using wd-40 as the primary lube.
A link or picture of the airplane bearing please? What kind of an idiot would lube an airplane bearing with WD40? He/she should not be allowed near an airplane. Plus, there's no relationship between lubing airplane bearings with WD40 and and cleaning an o-ring bike chain with WD40. Thanks for mentioning it but I really don't think it's pertinent to this discussion.
For the sake of discussion here is a WD40 bike chain link:
http://www.ktm950.info/how/Orange%20Garage/chains/Lubrication/WD40experiment.pdf (http://www.ktm950.info/how/Orange%20Garage/chains/Lubrication/WD40experiment.pdf)
Not necessarily a defender of WD40 but it does seem to get unnecessarily hammered on a lot. Not a very good heavy duty lubricant at all, but it does have it uses. Never had a problem using it for o-ring chain maintenance although the DuPont stuff is probably better.
Quote from: Langanobob on September 16, 2011, 03:58:48 PM
A link or picture of the airplane bearing please? What kind of an idiot would lube an airplane bearing with WD40? He/she should not be allowed near an airplane. Plus, there's no relationship between lubing airplane bearings with WD40 and and cleaning an o-ring bike chain with WD40. Thanks for mentioning it but I really don't think it's pertinent to this discussion.
read the last comment at the end of this article:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/)
and also, offhand, this discussion is about lubing chains, not cleaning them. the issue that comes up is when the wd-40 penetrates the o rings and displaces the grease inside them. i'm not sure how much that will affect chain stretch, but i would guess that doing that will cause the links to bind up quicker. what would have been interesting in your posted article would have been having him cut open the o ring and see if the grease was displaced or not. but i guess that's another experiment for another time.
but w/e, i just posting what i've heard as the hazards of using wd-40 on chains. in general, i just stick with products that were made to lube chains as opposed to products that were made to penetrate and displace water.
Quote from: thought on September 16, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
read the last comment at the end of this article:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/ (http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/)
Well that was a fast reply, thanks. After reading the article and looking at the airplane bearing pictures, it only reinforces my opinion that there is no relationship whatsoever between a failed attempt at using WD-40 for an airplane bearing lube and using it for o-ring bike chain cleaning. I suppose if you built a sealed housing and ran a bike chain in a WD-40 bath for 20,000 miles it might work its way past the o-rings. But occasional use as a cleaner will not wash out the chain grease as has been demonstrated in
my link above :)
In any case I think we both have better priorities that getting into a long discussion on WD40 shortcomings. Thanks for posting the link.
Bob
Bob
On a sealed chain, the chain lube prevents rust and lubricates the chain going over the sprockets. There is friction between the chain and sprockets.
So, I picked up Dupont yellow can chain lube a couple of weeks ago.
(was curious about "dry, self cleaning lubricant" catch copy ... )
I thought, I should start with clean chain&sprocket and see how it keeps them clean.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0134.jpg)
Choose your weapon, clean the chain & sprocket (also surrounding area) as much as you'd like.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0132.jpg)
Nice & clean. Spray DuPont chain saver on.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0136.jpg)
After a couple of weekend rides.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0143.jpg)
I think, it actually is "self cleaning" pretty good. As I spray chain lube onto the chain, I can see dust, debris, old chain lube,etc washed out from the chain ...
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0144.jpg)