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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: hackers2r on September 28, 2011, 12:44:08 PM

Title: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 28, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
My bike has been having cold start issues. The situation is as follows:  I turn the key on, gauges sweep as normal, adjust the idle lever and push the start button. The bike turns over once and then stops. Gauges turn off and resweep and repeat procedure and bike starts as normal.  Only happens when cold. Tried taking switch apart and cleaning but the problem persists. When bike is warm/hot, this issue doesn't exist. Any ideas?  Thank you. Bike is an 07 S2R 800.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 28, 2011, 12:47:50 PM
It sounds like you have a weak connection on a cable somewhere, or possibly the battery is reaching the end of it's life.

My 96 900 has real trouble when the temps dip.

Many people solve the problem by upgrading battery cables.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 28, 2011, 12:49:29 PM
Before upgrading the battery cables, how would I check the battery? Thanks.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 28, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: hackers2r on September 28, 2011, 12:49:29 PM
Before upgrading the battery cables, how would I check the battery? Thanks.
Take it to autozone or any box store that sells batteries.

Most will test them for free.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 09:19:09 AM
Cleaned the starter relay contacts but no success. I'm planning on load Reston the battery today and cleaning the contact on the starter itself. Here's a link to what it's doing:
S2R 800 starting issue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpFkICLwbKM&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: He Man on September 30, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
when my battery was crapping out, mine would do that. unlike a carbed bike if the ECU isnt getting enough voltage it will just shut off and once the load is off the batt it turns back on. on a full charge my bad battery was dipping down to 8 volts while cranking.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 05:58:48 PM
I just got the battery load tested and here are the results:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-CRvb4kLN8XU/ToZrILeLy_I/AAAAAAAAAKc/WETmi79IDnE/s800/photo-1.JPG)

Out of spec much? Would this be the culprit of my issues?  I have a AntiGravity battery available to me tomorrow but would anything else be causing this?
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 06:16:07 PM
What is the battery rated at?
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Battery Family: Maintenance Free   
Battery Type: YT12B-BS

Voltage: 12
Capacity: 10
Dimensions: 6" x 2.75" x 5.125"
Weight: 7.6 lbs.
Metric Dimensions: 150mm x 69.0mm x 130.0mm
Metric Weight: 130 kg
Polarity:
Acid Volume: 0.50
Amps: 1.0
C.C.A.: 215
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 06:21:58 PM
Quote from: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Battery Family: Maintenance Free   
Battery Type: YT12B-BS

Voltage: 12
Capacity: 10
Dimensions: 6" x 2.75" x 5.125"
Weight: 7.6 lbs.
Metric Dimensions: 150mm x 69.0mm x 130.0mm
Metric Weight: 130 kg
Polarity:
Acid Volume: 0.50
Amps: 1.0
C.C.A.: 215
Sounds like the battery is at half cca capacity to me.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:23:22 PM
That was my interpretation too.  Would this be causing this issue?
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 06:29:35 PM
Quote from: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:23:22 PM
That was my interpretation too.  Would this be causing this issue?
Seeing as the voltage is in spec, I'm going to guess old age.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:32:24 PM
Right, but would the extremely low CCA be causing the issue I've been having?
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:32:24 PM
Right, but would the extremely low CCA be causing the issue I've been having?

The cold cranking amp rating is the indicator of how the motor will crank when both it and the battery are cold.

It matches perfectly IMO.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 06:51:39 PM
Just making sure.  Antigravity battery it is tomorrow.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 07:02:06 PM
If there's any doubt about the charging system you can check it with a voltmeter, and would be wise before spending good money.

You should see between 13.5 and 14.5 volts at about 3K.

My money is on the battery being done based on the info.

How old is the battery?
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Same one that came with the bike.  An 07.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: hackers2r on September 30, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Same one that came with the bike.  An 07.
My money is definitely on a tired battery.
Title: Re: Cold start problem
Post by: Howie on September 30, 2011, 08:09:18 PM
You need a battery.  Checking the charging system is a good idea since you may have multiple problems but your battery is definitely bad.  The test that shop did is not a load test, it is a conductance test that is both safer and reasonably idiot proof.