Ducati Monster Forum

As some of you may know I've been gathering parts for a 2V SBK build for about two years now.  I originally bought the motor, frame and a few other bits from this build at duccutters (http://duccutters.com/PaulStrickland.tpl).  I've been slowing buying other parts off eBay and forums since.  I decided to start assembling last week so I figured I'd post it up for comments and opinions.

Here's the overall view of its current state with the tank and tail just sitting on top:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IxEnOnw1aok/TpoNdodXVTI/AAAAAAAAAWA/LGOA2AQY3WQ/s640/DSC01499.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S2EaUXIfzvQ/TpoNhCPJqQI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/fsaupKxWVmk/s640/DSC01500.JPG)

The tail is actually pretty rough and I'm thinking about going a different direction with it... maybe a Sport1K race tail. (http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/ducati/SPORTCLASSIC2006-08.htm#price)

Here's what she looks like without the bodywork:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lfZbgrOZacE/TpoNbdQE6MI/AAAAAAAAAV4/IDgL810u35g/s640/DSC01497.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v3KJqHCMM0M/TpoNZa_y1mI/AAAAAAAAAVo/MduYCGl2frI/s640/DSC01498.JPG)

The rundown:
748 frame, swinger and rear suspender
SS900 motor and wiring
848 wheels
1098 forks, calipers, clip-ons, hand controls

I've powder coated the frame, triples and rear spring and plan on doing the sub frame, rear sets, clip on brackets, stabilizer bracket and some other small bits.

I'm undecided on how to finish the front end, my ideas are round Monster headlight, V-Rod headlight or the Aprilia RS250 (I think that was the one) race fairing.  The issue with the race fairing is state law requires a headlight.  Also undecided on paint, I really like the look of RB's flat orange Monster (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30177.0) and Barfer's Sport1K (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/120605-best-best-sport-classics-2.html#post1180343), but Duc red with a white number plate would be simple and great looking as well.  I've still got a handful of specialty fasteners to order from Ducati and then figure out what else I'm missing.  What do you guys think?

Couple more pics:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uxtEXWdx4AY/TpoNmXWEjhI/AAAAAAAAAWk/K4TvWWHp1gA/s640/DSC01504.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PnSvZtHFzqg/TpoNkXdDSuI/AAAAAAAAAWY/pGTUM6RtUOs/s640/DSC01502.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bJ03T02HXRo/TpoNmO0L6oI/AAAAAAAAAWg/5V1oIUG0m9M/s640/DSC01503.JPG)

I vote no fairing and monster headlight for a classic look. I like the idea of ducati red fender, tank and tail peice with white stripe.


Whatever you decide, it's looking super cool so fare [thumbsup]

How about something like this?

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd312/charlesb52/NCR-1.jpg)

You could fit a race fairing and add a single projector instead of a whole headlight, I've seen it done on some 748 style bikes with a race fairing. Looks good so far [thumbsup]

I'd say it's worth at least one bag of popcorn  [popcorn]

Don't put too much money or energy into a fairing until we decide which way to go  8)

I think that NCR really works but I don't know if any one piece would look right without the rest of it.  It is another option though if they sell that fairing by itself. 

I have three exhaust systems that came with it so I'll throw those on this afternoon if I have time and post up some more pics.

I say you should go with something Paul Smart-like....a small fairing and simple headlight and let it multitak and speak for itself...

Is that Paul's old bike/tail section.

Looks like a good start for sure1

Sure does look like it.
+1 on the looking good part too.  [thumbsup]

Fun times!  I will watch your build for sure.   


I'm getting further & further behind on my 2vSBK project since I've moved from Dallas back to Nashville...

what did you do about the frame/swingarm pivot and crankcases?

+1 on that, looks identical -- been trying to make one just like it...

As for looks, I'd say as nekkid as possible! ;) [thumbsup]

Thanks guys.  Yep, it is Paul's old build and tail, there is a link to duccutters in the op.  The tail is actually in pretty rough shape and I'm not sure it can be saved, I'll take a coupe pics when I get home.

@ato, remember the pics I sent you of the motor about a year ago?
I'm going to run it that way since Paul put over 3k miles on it like that.

oh yes, I do recall now.   with 3k miles, i'd say go for it too

Yeah, it may not be the right way to do it but it works and I'll keep an eye on things.

The tail, I think the only way to make this work would be to copy it in fiberglass or carbon, probably would have to finish the back side of it to not leave it open (looks unfinished) I think the back would then be reminiscent of a Shelby Daytona. Pics:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MzuAc4Q1ODQ/TpysQQ9JlII/AAAAAAAAAXM/NFXmbegU4Oo/s640/DSC01509.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kFcldw1wy-c/TpysUBoDkQI/AAAAAAAAAXc/eH9M39iYx5Q/s640/DSC01510.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A87Wpp76HI8/TpysV4kumUI/AAAAAAAAAXk/DORpmR60pM8/s640/DSC01511.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ybsK8MahIjc/TpysdHp9QWI/AAAAAAAAAYE/VKwjnp6a51w/s640/DSC01515.JPG)

On to the exhaust.  I have a conventional 748/996 Termi dual muffler setup that everyone can imagine, also a set of megaphones that fit into the mid-pipe and mount just like the Termi's.  Those systems are fine but leave the bike looking heavy.  I have this other "system" that the PO made/had made.  I really like the look but I can't imagine how loud they would be.  I think it would be awesome to send them up to Mark and have his baffles put in a la boom tubes.  Really I'm just looking for a super minimal exhaust (1 or 2 pipes/cans) that work with the SBK frame and the 900 heads.  Pic of the set up:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-okDAJ9oLUiA/TpysRllSj2I/AAAAAAAAAXU/HyuYHMZ06O0/s640/DSC01508.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TTiUt8Daa4c/Tpyse0jW_9I/AAAAAAAAAYM/F4IB0mnAJ74/s640/DSC01517.JPG)

I have a seat you may want... :D

I'm listening...
 [popcorn]

sbk seat at front - uses actual OEM sbk seat pad, so it mounts with front hinge & everything.   Rear of the tail is shaped like a Monster seat cowl.  Its pretty make the beast with two backsing cool, imo - i'm not using it because i'm trying to gather as many factory-RS race parts to cobble mine together.

for a naked 2v, this thing is tits.

Never heard of such a thing, I put my Monster seat cowl on with the SBK seat and liked the look a lot, almost matched up.
Gotta pitcher?

here comes ze PM

Would love to see a pic of your seat!!!

Here's what the monster cowl looks like with the SBK seat, I imagine jv's looks a little different

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mdPPEz0McjA/TpzTyuz2hyI/AAAAAAAAAYs/U703Z39mCPI/s640/IMG_20111017_201552.jpg)

tell me about the thicker section of pipe on your exhaust.
are you using some kind of expansion or anti-reversion?

AFAIK Raux, they are just stock resonators of the original system, probably off the original SS that the motor came from.  I don't think they do much in the way of sound deadening.  The PO said that two pipe system is loud... like crazy loud... like NASCAR loud.  I like the look and simplicity of the system but I don't think I'll be able to run it.  In the duccuters link from the OP it shows the bike with a 2-1 megaphone system, I didn't get this system from Paul, I may email him to see if he still has it, that is likely the way I want to go, just a 2-1 with a Spark universal megaphone like Rad Duc does often on their builds.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b3EFeJBfwNw/TqYN4UfDIII/AAAAAAAAHuM/4ADQdr1pVzg/s640/IMG_0606.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nz7NJuzGzcM/TqYN3jI5iaI/AAAAAAAAHuI/-clB4oAQOPY/s640/IMG_0605.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rw_4ldFzGGU/TqYN27MZLTI/AAAAAAAAHuE/javauV49Nao/s640/IMG_0604.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eH3jjNC_YB0/TqYN1NL6VsI/AAAAAAAAHt4/wYJxrjnUsxQ/s640/IMG_0602.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oKLnPPdeWD8/TqYN0Ah1GKI/AAAAAAAAHt0/HGDCU6Nntcc/s640/IMG_0601.jpg)


yes, i could not have done a worse job with the lighting, i know.

Thanks jv.  I'll keep that tail in mind.  I'm really thinking about the tail right now... Monster style, Rad tail, Sport 1K race tail...
Decisions, decisions.

That is quite the stable you're growing there!  The RS 2V SBK is looking great!  BST's?  I must have missed that!

Oh yes.  BSTs, the teeny-tiny Brembo (Ducati Corse fitment) rear brake and an odd production 748R / 996RS corsa carbon fiber airbox (748R type split, but with 996RS type removable side panels)

That's awesome man!  It's really coming together.
I see we're rocking the same forks.  You got some Mono-blocks yet?

I have not, my list of don't-have's is becoming smaller though, but its some pretty big parts.   Motor, a few Brake Components, Wiring/ECU, and redo exhaust (& potentially subframe)

I've still dreaming big about the finished products weight, so I'm going to get some #'s for comparison for:
* FG Gubellini alu subframe vs. OEM alu subframe vs. Pierobon alu subframe vs. NCR Ti subframe
* Brembo M4 Monoblocks (in black via KTM dealer) vs. ISR billet monoblocks vs. Brembo billets (2-piece & monos)

I'm still going to replace the swingarm with a WSBK/Corse length (+19mm), and I wanted the 955 aluminum one, but I may have missed its sale (didn't have the cash on hand at the time) - there are magnesium ones still out there though (the alu might be slightly heavier, but it also doesn't rot). With that swingarm, I need a properly valved rear shock, and Tom.i has some in his parts collection - I am jonesing for one of the ribbed reservoir models (and must save up to respring it with Ti spring).

Brake-wise, I'm going to wait on rotors until I'm ready to do all three and see if BrakeTech can make some of the carbons for me - the 200mm rear is likely a one-off sort of thing, so that's probably no bueno. If I can't get the rear in that form, I'm going to start hunting around for the name of whoever makes the Ti rear brake discs that Yoyodyne sells, and see if they can cut one that's 200mm for the fancy corsa rear brake.

Speaking of rear end components, NCR makes/made a Ti rear axle-spindle. Yeah, that enormous steel jobby that the wheel & rotor bolts to on one side & sprocket/sprocket-carrier bolts to on the other.  (I've already got a Mag eccentric hub, so I need to be particular about swingarms and go for one that uses the street sized magnesium hub).

Going to revalve the forks with Ohlins innards and get the outer tubes reanodized black - and call them 'done'.


The only other thing I need to fully investigate is where to track down a titanium-pipe fitter. I want to replace the exhaust tubes with Ti - and figure if I need to get the ends fashioned for the 2v heads, perhaps it might be fairly straightforward to get them "done" as a complete set while the works being done rather than just two flanges+elbows.  If you know of anybody who does this, let me know! The only name I had written down eons ago was Doug at ArcFab and it seems that train sailed many years past.

Motor wise, when the particular plan is set in stone and progress is begun, I'm going to sit down and do the math to appropriately/optimally size the to-be-built exhaust systems diameter for the volumetric flow & exhaust valve diameters.

peace of cake, right?

Wow man, that's going to be a hell of a bike!  I like the idea of the black KTM monblocks

(http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/224140-4/2010_ktm_rc8r_fonz72.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=TMP_SESSION_ID_DI_NOISSES_PMT)

I just have to be patient, which is hard to do.

For the subframe look into a cf frameless tailpiece from ricos racing out of the netherlands

Yes, I have looked into those as well as another (Backes, in Germany - image below), but I am concerned about (a) structural integrity (i'm a large mammal, and would be ordering the parts "sight unseen") and moreover (b) whether it can accomodate the large Corsa underseat crankcase breather box.  I've not seen any examples of it being done, so I'd be relying on the seller's best-guess, since the corsa parts are a bit out of the ordinary.  Conversely, if I stick with the "tried-and-true" (though tried in clearly a very limited quantity) "All Corse/Corsa" inspired build, then I have an idea of how things ought to go together (well, at least some idea).   Its like super-advanced Legos.

Here's the Backes carbon undertail:
Product 940514 - Heckrahmen, Price listed is 759,00  (i assume to be in euro)
(http://carbon.de/katalog/images/images_ducati/du940514.jpg)
(which makes me wonder if a company could build a subframe/crankcase breather box all-in-one...)

I should mention awhile back (some 9-12 months ago) I emailed the Backes contact-email but received no response, perhaps because I wrote in English (and had German below it saying same thing in case english was not useful), and he didn't finish reading my email, or doesn't ship to North America, or had the flu, etc... No telling.

also, the link i had for them comes up as expired - perhaps out of business now or giving up on the internet?
www.racingresearch.nl (http://)

I'll get some contact info for you. Yeah, their website always sucked. they may be working on a new one.

Thanks for sending me the link to this Dustin! 

On the tail it came with, I made that in about 5 hours, so go figure.....proportionally great, but executed far-good.  (haha, looks good from far, but up close far from good...)

The Hi/Lo dual pipes I made myself from a mix of multistrada headers and SBK parts, the bulge are SBK stock resonators that go up by the heel plates normally (they have perforated tubing inside as well as a thin layer of packing) and the ends are some leftover multistrada connectors that looked pretty cool so i used them, probably pretty loud, I never heard them tho, just did as a concept.  the megaphones under tail are THE LOUDEST EVER.  Like hear you at every point of the track from the pits loud.

When I built that bike I did it on a very shoestring budget, did most all the work myself except the welding which I got into doing myself only in the later stages.

Hey hey Paul! Thanks for posting up.  I was under the impression that the two pipe system was the loud one, now I remember our conversation that it was the megaphones.  I have the two pipe system mounted now, maybe I'll start in on the wiring and try to fire it up to see what they sound like.

I wasn't trying to badmouth the tail, just letting people know it isn't as polished as it looks in the pics.  It is an awesome looking piece and is still an option for me, maybe try to copy it in fiberglass.

oh i knew you weren't bashing it, haha i always just like to throw in a far-good joke!

but yeah, that thing replicated in fiberglass, or a more finished steel one would be right.

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joe (pedro-bot) can attest to the loudness of the dual megs...FCUK!NG LOOOOOOUD.

don't know if you remember the now in-famous arcfab but i just stole their idea on the dual megs...pretty cheap and easy to replicate in their most base form...arc did offer them with optional baffles which i'm would bet sounded even better.

Oh sure, ArcFab (Doug) comes up a lot here.  Not much to mention on the progress lately, hopefully have some time this weekend to start on the wiring   :-\

Yeah, I'm quite the slacker but I do have a little bit of progress to post.

2V SBK second start (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgbqknYP6uU&feature=youtu.be#)

The exhaust is too loud to run on the street, looking at making a new slip on for the 996 style headers I have.  Thinking about a 696/796/1100 seat and cowl, like this bike (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/57-supersport/67691-my-new-supersport-superbike-project-8.html#post991815), I like the idea of throwing another Ducati model into the mix.

i'm giggeling like a schoolgirl! [laugh]
that's way too cool  [clap]
what a great project!  [thumbsup]

Thanks Mike!  It's exciting to finally get it started, hopefully this keeps my motivation up and I can ride it to a Euro Bike Night this summer.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jBz0qpP897s/UCmYLRHbKII/AAAAAAAAApc/WrT6p6ZecIc/s640/IMG_20120813_172138.jpg)

 [evil]

oh..where you get seat pan?  looking like it will fits right in just like the stock monster seat (in regard of the seat meeting the tank section).

[drool]

It's the cafe racer tail from Radical Ducati in Spain.  It's made for their custom tank (which bolts up to the 999 frame) but I'm going to make it work on the 748 subframe and tank.

Thanks...saw it right after i posted that.  [thumbsup]